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As an aviation enthusiast my biggest issue is one looks at Concorde and it's very, very hard to see how it'd be possible to make that jet a torso (let alone a robot) without being a robot with a jet backpack.

when is this expected to go live?

Finally managed to find a Drag Strip at Target today, and I gotta say, he's pretty neat. Really enjoying how nice he feels, can't wait to get the others. Really hope Drag Strip and Dead End use the same waist connection piece so I can Frankenstein them together

My post was just an idea.
No argument that there are other single characters that would be more ideal for a Commander Class release.
Part of my idea was based on not having to use 6 voyager slots from a line to release the 6 Constructicons.

I'd also say stretching-out releases for a set of related characters, especially ones that form a combiner as being good or ideal, could be highly debated.
While my wording maybe sounded like releasing all 6 in two waves, I essentially meant that the first would be released June-July, and the 6th/last would be released the following June-July...
So a span of 11-12 months, similar to how the Legacy Stunticons will be released over a period of 9-10 months.
But as it is with all opinions, I question how many people feel a substantially increased "appreciation" for a figure simply based on an extended wait time.
I can say that no matter which G1 Dinobot is released last (whether under the SS86 banner or not), my like/appreciation isn't going to be upped for that figure just because I had to wait 2&1/2 years for him after the release of Grimlock.
I do think that wait time is a bit excessive.
And I do hear you about SS releases, and the lack of releases of live-action characters in that line.
Is it fair? Probably not. But I can't help but think that if Hastak could count on those figures to consistently rake-in $$$, then at least some of those would have been made by now.
I don't remember any official-type of statements being released as to why (and let's be honest, they're probably never going to openly claim that characters "aren't worthy of being molded in plastic'), but it seems to me that nothing like that is necessary-- they're going to make figures that they predict are going to reel-in the most cheddar. Whether these decisions are influenced some head-designer's preferences, and/or the squeaky cries of fans and/or collectors... Sure those variables may factor in, but are sub-priorities at best.

Again, that CC Constructicon 2 pack was just an idea. And probably one that's too far out there to ever happen.

Sowndwave76 wrote:But as it is with all opinions, I question how many people feel a substantially increased "appreciation" for a figure simply based on an extended wait time.
I can say that no matter which G1 Dinobot is released last (whether under the SS86 banner or not), my like/appreciation isn't going to be upped for that figure just because I had to wait 2&1/2 years for him after the release of Grimlock.
I do think that wait time is a bit excessive.

I think you may be misinterpreting this part of what D-Max is trying to say. They aren't saying waiting will make you appreciate the figure that isn't out yet more when it does release, they're saying that waiting gives you time to appreciate the components that are already out as themselves and not just parts of a whole. It's a less applicable argument for your Dinobots since they have no combined whole in G1 other than just being a group, but with the Constructicons that started this and the currently releasing Stunticons, it makes sense. The waiting period gives time to appreciate Mixmaster and Wildrider as being Mixmaster and Wildrider as opposed to them both just being a bigger bot's shin forever and nothing else.

My thoughts on redoing all the G1 combiners again is also to not prioritize it at all and focus on characters who haven't been updated yet, but at the same time I would be on board for individual release Constructicons & G1 Predacons later on if it means they get to be better as individuals (i.e. not have combiner thighs hanging off their alt modes). I'm also a sucker for the Combaticons despite having CW + PotP Bruticus, and I never got the CW/UW Technobots... but I'd say redo Devastator & Predaking before them, since Bruticus was at least an individual retail release before.

Personally, I like the piecemeal combiner release style, but I can understand it taking a while. Next combiner I'd want updated would be either Road Caesar or Lio Kaiser from G1, Magnaboss from Beast Wars (with Prowl and Lio Junior being separate releases), or do an Animated Devastator with the three Constructicons from the show, or an updated Safeguard. Of those, I could see Road Caesar and Lio Kaiser as most likely, Magnaboss as second most likely, and the Animated boys being when Hell freezes over, thaws, and refreezes He laughed, for it hid the pain of the unlikelihood of ever getting updated Animated figures

I'm sure we'll get some Animated characters eventually, even though they'll probably be G1-ified like Bulkhead. Oil Slick and Lockdown in particular are due for an update, and it's not hard to imagine a Prowl release a la Prime Arcee. I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Animated versions of existing characters, though, with the possible exception of Prime or Bee.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm sure we'll get some Animated characters eventually, even though they'll probably be G1-ified like Bulkhead. Oil Slick and Lockdown in particular are due for an update, and it's not hard to imagine a Prowl release a la Prime Arcee. I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Animated versions of existing characters, though, with the possible exception of Prime or Bee.

I feel like Helicopter Megs has a greater shot than either Prime OR Bee, honestly, since it's an entirely different alt mode as opposed to Prime just being a different truck or Bee just being a different car.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm sure we'll get some Animated characters eventually, even though they'll probably be G1-ified like Bulkhead. Oil Slick and Lockdown in particular are due for an update, and it's not hard to imagine a Prowl release a la Prime Arcee. I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Animated versions of existing characters, though, with the possible exception of Prime or Bee.

I feel like Helicopter Megs has a greater shot than either Prime OR Bee, honestly, since it's an entirely different alt mode as opposed to Prime just being a different truck or Bee just being a different car.

Possibly, but the Prime robot mode is iconic, and while that version of Bee has a lot in common with other takes, it's a really solid package that also has good mold reuse potential. I didn't watch that much of the series, but I didn't think that helicopter mode was very important in the context of the series.

The thing I like most about the Animated and Prime toy lines are their unique design and engineering approaches, but I don't think they would translate to Generations, and they didn't try to keep that with the Prime Legacy toys. After you strip that away from Animated, I don't think you have a compelling cause left, just a handful of underrepresented characters.

Lockdown would be super easy to do. Just make a slightly more evergreen version of his Cyberverse design:

I would like a Lockdown. I'd also like a Drift/Deadlock.

Sabrblade wrote:Lockdown would be super easy to do. Just make a slightly more evergreen version of his Cyberverse design:

With more of an Animated-style face

If they ever do Bruticus, I hope they make Swindle the tf:animated version

Lockdown and oil slick would be great too. I'd also love blurr, blitzwing and ratchet. Loveeee the dinobots. Prowl, jazz and slipstream would be cool too.

Megatron has a pretty good design. Waspinator too. I'm happy with my hftd/rts Lugnut

And surprise surprise, id love a Shockwave/longarm prime

Every name i mentioned would be the definitive version of the character in my collection

sol magnus wrote:I would like a Lockdown. I'd also like a Drift/Deadlock.

Yesssssss

My updated prime character list would include, in roughly this order:

Cliffjumper, wheeljack, breakdown, airachnid, dreadwing/skyquake, Soundwave, Bumblebee, Megatron, knock out (yes again, but like... better), and maybe ratchet

Cliffjumper wheeljack and Bumblebee would be the definitive versions of the characters for me as well

Cyberverse shadow striker and wildwheel are great too

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:But as it is with all opinions, I question how many people feel a substantially increased "appreciation" for a figure simply based on an extended wait time.
I can say that no matter which G1 Dinobot is released last (whether under the SS86 banner or not), my like/appreciation isn't going to be upped for that figure just because I had to wait 2&1/2 years for him after the release of Grimlock.
I do think that wait time is a bit excessive.

I think you may be misinterpreting this part of what D-Max is trying to say. They aren't saying waiting will make you appreciate the figure that isn't out yet more when it does release, they're saying that waiting gives you time to appreciate the components that are already out as themselves and not just parts of a whole. It's a less applicable argument for your Dinobots since they have no combined whole in G1 other than just being a group, but with the Constructicons that started this and the currently releasing Stunticons, it makes sense. The waiting period gives time to appreciate Mixmaster and Wildrider as being Mixmaster and Wildrider as opposed to them both just being a bigger bot's shin forever and nothing else.

My thoughts on redoing all the G1 combiners again is also to not prioritize it at all and focus on characters who haven't been updated yet, but at the same time I would be on board for individual release Constructicons & G1 Predacons later on if it means they get to be better as individuals (i.e. not have combiner thighs hanging off their alt modes). I'm also a sucker for the Combaticons despite having CW + PotP Bruticus, and I never got the CW/UW Technobots... but I'd say redo Devastator & Predaking before them, since Bruticus was at least an individual retail release before.

This is what I was trying to say yes. For a combiner, if you get it in 1 wave, more often than not, it's brief individual mode appreciation, and then 99% combiner after that. Spaced out, It allows you to appreciate the individuals more, and may influence future decisions on buying a 2nd copy of a figure or 2 to have separate, or maybe influence decombination more often.

It is why I have no issues owning a 2nd SS Overload, or why I like that they made Skipjack to make the leg movie accurate so Rampage can cause chaos elsewhere. And it helped me realize Rampage may be one of the best voyager class figures we have gotten in the past 5 years. That is a damn good toy, and I'm happy I have a solo one.

And it also makes me long for more SS constructicon repaints, appreciate the molds combined and individual. I think now that we are past CW, this should be a combiner route going forward, put more emphasis on the individual members with a bonus combined mode, in a way.

Greetings Programs!


The main flaw that was found in Kingdom Galvatron was or is fixed in the Legacy figure? My thanks in advance!

Nemesis Destron wrote:Greetings Programs!


The main flaw that was found in Kingdom Galvatron was or is fixed in the Legacy figure? My thanks in advance!

You mean the shoulders? They fixed that mid production run the first time around and none of the three releases since (Selects, Trilogy and Legacy) have had it.

Emerje

Nemesis Destron wrote:Greetings Programs!


The main flaw that was found in Kingdom Galvatron was or is fixed in the Legacy figure? My thanks in advance!

The shoulders have been fixed, might be a bit more of a wait for them to do a color matched upgrade kit unless the first DNA upgrade kit is a good enough match for the Legacy figure (theyve just done the reformatting version upgrade).

Either way its still pretty flawed figure with out the upgrade to make it look good/passable as Galvatron.

I finally found Legacy in the wild the other day. Figures that they were all there except for Optimus, who is really the only one I want, and Drag Strip, the only other one that I've been considering getting.

Nemesis Destron wrote:Greetings Programs!


The main flaw that was found in Kingdom Galvatron was or is fixed in the Legacy figure? My thanks in advance!

Only the early copies of Galvatron had the flaw that needed to be fixed. The Legacy corrects that and the subjective flaw of battle damage.

Autobot N wrote:I finally found Legacy in the wild the other day. Figures that they were all there except for Optimus, who is really the only one I want, and Drag Strip, the only other one that I've been considering getting.

You have plenty of time for Optimus, not Galvatron though, as he's only in wave 1. Optimus continues into wave 2.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:Greetings Programs!


The main flaw that was found in Kingdom Galvatron was or is fixed in the Legacy figure? My thanks in advance!

The shoulders have been fixed, might be a bit more of a wait for them to do a color matched upgrade kit unless the first DNA upgrade kit is a good enough match for the Legacy figure (theyve just done the reformatting version upgrade).

Either way its still pretty flawed figure with out the upgrade to make it look good/passable as Galvatron.

That's a matter of opinion, I think he's fine just the way he is after the shoulder fix. He's out of scale with that kit added on.

Legacy Galvatron is very nice. I'm glad the Kingdom version never showed in my area because this version is very nice looking on my shelf. Nice and clean, very nice shade of purple.