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Whitemest wrote:Jesus Christ. This is good news for beast wars in general, but WHERE is fan favorite Dinobot? Doesnt even need to be a masterpiece. Im baffled as to why its taken this long.
Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.Sabrblade wrote:"This long"? The MP Beast Wars releases haven't even started yet. That we're just now seeing the prototype for the second one is typical for the schedule of MP releases. These kinds of quality figures take time to make. Can't rush quality.
Besides, they need all the Masterpiece black magic they can get in order to make Dinobot's transformation work:
In the meantime, the Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot figure from 2009 was gorgeous!
Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.Sabrblade wrote:Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.
True, but their going with the character that today's adult liked back when they were children could be seen as an attempt by Takara to tap into that latent nostalgic endearment that today's adults felt towards Cheetor when they were children.shajaki wrote:And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.Sabrblade wrote:Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:True, but their going with the character that today's adult liked back when they were children could be seen as an attempt by Takara to tap into that latent nostalgic endearment that today's adults felt towards Cheetor when they were children.shajaki wrote:And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.Sabrblade wrote:Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Though, I could definitely see Dinobot being the third Maximal to get a Masterpiece, instead of Rhinox or Rattrap, as going by the ID numbers of both the Japanese Beast Wars toyline and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline, the numbering order for the cartoon character Maximal toys was Convoy --> Cheetus --> Dinobot in both lines.
In the original Japanese toyline, it was Rattle (Rattrap), while Maximal-wise in the Telemocha line it was Cohrada and then Rhinox.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Though, I could definitely see Dinobot being the third Maximal to get a Masterpiece, instead of Rhinox or Rattrap, as going by the ID numbers of both the Japanese Beast Wars toyline and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline, the numbering order for the cartoon character Maximal toys was Convoy --> Cheetus --> Dinobot in both lines.
Curious; who was next after Dinobot in those numberings? Rattrap or Rhinox?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:In the original Japanese toyline, it was Rattle (Rattrap), while Maximal-wise in the Telemocha line it was Cohrada and then Rhinox.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Though, I could definitely see Dinobot being the third Maximal to get a Masterpiece, instead of Rhinox or Rattrap, as going by the ID numbers of both the Japanese Beast Wars toyline and the Beast Wars Telemocha Series toyline, the numbering order for the cartoon character Maximal toys was Convoy --> Cheetus --> Dinobot in both lines.
Curious; who was next after Dinobot in those numberings? Rattrap or Rhinox?
Here's the full list of the two lines for those curious:
C-1 Convoy
C-2 White Claw
C-3 Cheetus
C-4 Dinobot
C-5 Rattle
C-6 Convobat
C-7 Rhinox
C-8 Tigatron
C-9 Howlinger
C-10 Airazor
C-11 Cybershark
D-1 Megatron
D-2 Scorpos
D-3 Waspeeter
D-4 Tarans
D-5 Terrorsaurer
D-6 Megalligator
D-7 Shadow Panther
D-8 Black Widow
D-9 Buzz Saw
D-10 Kuwagaiger
D-11 Inferno
TM-01 Convoy
TM-02 Megatron
TM-03 Cheetus
TM-04 Waspeeter
TM-05 Dinobot
TM-06 Black Widow
TM-07 Cohrada
TM-08 Archadis
TM-09 Rhinox
TM-10 Wolfang
TM-11 Tigatron
TM-12 Gimlet
TM-13 Motorarm
TM-SP DX Convoy
TM-SP DX Megatron
shajaki wrote:bash'D
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
But... Optimal Optimus didn't carry the Matrix-like Spark Container, just Prime's Spark itself:skywarp-2 wrote:if they release the Beast wars Optimal Optimus Primal with the Spark of Optimus Prime, they should make his masterpiece hold the MP-10 Matrix..that would be awesome!!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:I'm starting to get a very bad parts forming feeling on the Beast head / robot chest of this figure.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Take solace in examples of their wizardry: Inferno, Ironhide, Hotrod, Prime, Wheeljack, Bee, ect. All of them have either remarkable engineering or faux pieces masking those for the sake of aesthetics.Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm pretty sure it won't be a parts-former, TT's clever like that, but I understand you're anxiety, I too am hoping it turns out perfectlyIronhidensh wrote:I'm starting to get a very bad parts forming feeling on the Beast head / robot chest of this figure.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
shajaki wrote:And that target audience from back in the day are adults now. And this is a line geared towards adult collectors.Sabrblade wrote:Cheetor's a yellow kid appeal character who was the target audience's gateway character. Even though Dinobot had a more meaningful role from an objective narrative standpoint, an argument could be made for Cheetor being a more subjectively popular character with the show's target audience of children back in the day.shajaki wrote:Sorry Sabre, I'm with Whitemest (welcome BTW!) on this. I understand fully that Primal would be the first. But the only one I'd have felt ok with being released next if it wasn't going to be Dinobot, is Megatron. He's a big enough deal that he should easily trump Cheetor.
Judging from factors such as the robot chest's ears not having earholes like the beast head's ears do, and the slightly more inflated nature of the chest-head, my best guess would be that the robot mode beast head covers the actual beast mode head. (That, and if Takara was embracing part swapping for BW masterpieces, we probably would have seen clip on bits to cover Primal's visible robo-kibble in beast mode.)Ironhidensh wrote:If its a case like Primes two grills, I'll be okay, but if its part swapping on a MP, this will be an easy pass.
*shrug* Most of the original Transmetal toys for the characters who became Transmetals in the show were already the stuff of near perfection anyway.RevTibe wrote:(Personally, I'm more into the cast's appearances after the relevant characters got their Transmetal forms, but c'est la vie.)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Hey, I can dream :P Although they're visually very accurate, Transformers engineering has really advanced in the past two decades - would be a shame to see the Transmetals cursed by their own show accuracy to never receive updates.Sabrblade wrote:*shrug* Most of the original Transmetal toys for the characters who became Transmetals in the show were already the stuff of near perfection anyway. ;)RevTibe wrote:(Personally, I'm more into the cast's appearances after the relevant characters got their Transmetal forms, but c'est la vie.)
If anything, I'd like a TM Rattrap whose beast mode kibble backpack could rotate 180 degrees to have the wheels behind his robot mode rat head shoulders. And maybe just reissues of TM Primal, TM Cheetor, and TM Tarantulas with more show-accurate decos (like their Japanese toys) and new headsculpts with more show-accuracy and (in the cases of Primal and Cheetor) less "Ninja Turtle snarling".
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