OBJECTION!Samsonator wrote:Show accuracy be damned, a so-called Masterpiece should definitely have worked in a transforming cab, because it's something very integral to Ultra Magnus. They never show it in the cartoon, but we all know it's there.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:OBJECTION!Samsonator wrote:Show accuracy be damned, a so-called Masterpiece should definitely have worked in a transforming cab, because it's something very integral to Ultra Magnus. They never show it in the cartoon, but we all know it's there.
I was not a child of the 80's, so I did not grow up watching G1 in the era that its toyline was out. Therefore, the way I watched the cartoon was through VHS tapes and DVDs that I bought from stores. And when I watched the cartoon and saw Ultra Magnus, I never, NEVER, imagined him having a smaller white Optimus Prime inside of him because, back then, I had never owned nor even seen pictures of a G1 Ultra Magnus toy. The guy on the show went from car carrier to red/white/blue robot and that's all I ever took him for. It wouldn't be until 2003 when Hasbro decided to reissue G1 Optimus, G1 Ultra Magnus, and G1 Hot Rod (renamed "Rodimus Major") at Toys "R" Us stores that I got to experience a G1 Ultra Magnus toy and learned about his white Optimus Prime inner robot.
And when I did, I was GLAD the cartoon omitted it and went for his Super Robot mode as his standard robot mode, because back then I was of the mindset that no one who isn't Optimus Prime should ever look just like Optimus Prime (except for evil clones like RiD Scourge and Nemesis Prime), as I believed Optimus Prime ought to be so special a character that his look must be one of a kind. Lesser characters can have ordinary separate-character redecos, but not Optimus, as I believed back then.
I wasn't a comic book reader back then either, so I didn't know about that one issue of Dreamwave's G1 comic that had Magnus get naked, but even still, that was just one comic issue out of many more.
These days, I know better from when I was younger, but my point still stands that not "everyone" believed (or even still believes) in Ultra Magnus having an Optimus Prime inner robot inside his body in the cartoon when going by just the cartoon alone.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Forgot to mention that I also grew out of the "Optimus should be unique" mindset I had back then.
But still, my point was in response to the claim of everyone believing Magnus to have an inner robot inside his body in the cartoon, when that may be true for the toy and non-cartoon fiction, but since the cartoon never presented it as such, we can't say for 100% certainty that Cartoon Ultra Magnus does really have a white Optimus inside himself.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Forgot to mention that I also grew out of the "Optimus should be unique" mindset I had back then.
But still, my point was in response to the claim of everyone believing Magnus to have an inner robot inside his body in the cartoon, when that may be true for the toy and non-cartoon fiction, but since the cartoon never presented it as such, we can't say for 100% certainty that Cartoon Ultra Magnus does really have a white Optimus inside himself.
Granted... but the flip side is there's no way to no cartoon Magnus didn't have an inner robot. It's 50/50, and that's fine. But we do know with 100% certainty that the toy did.
Expected Value for G1 Magnus having an inner robot = 1.5/2
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
im a white prime fan, but i agree with this. they would have had to sacrifice a lot, and the end result would have simply not been worth it.Delta Magnus wrote:Myself, I don't miss the inner robot. Magnus is almost never portrayed as even having it, aside from a few obscure Dreamwave comics. Besides, I reckon having the robot be all one piece greatly increases his articulation- with how bulky Magnus is, and how much bigger he is than Prime, the MP-10 mold would need severe re-engineering to be able to don the armour and maintain decent articulation, not to mention the trailer would end up a floppy, partsforming mess.
Delta Magnus wrote:Looking at that commercial, the inner robot definitely wasn't the focus of the sell, so to speak. It got, what, a few seconds of screen time?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
This.Dead Metal wrote:It wasn't even really shown, all they did was show the kid pulling the legs down to stick it in the armor and then put the helmet on. If I didn't know about the existence of the white Prime, I would have assumed that the cab would just fold a bit to better fit into the body.
I mean if they intended to advertise the white Prime component, they would have shown it and said something like "Ultra Magnus can combine with his trailer to boot his power". Instead they only focused on alt-mode and Ultra Magnus mode, and all the clips they showed was of Magnus transforming from truck to armored mode without the inner bot, and that was original animation and not from any episode, on top of that Prime even says that he turns from trailer truck to his "powerful Autobot Commander". The shot of the white head doesn't even have a face, they obscure it almost to hide the fact that it's there.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
Agamemnon wrote:What you guys are saying is all true. Yet, I would also say that if people are of the opinion that they expected the white inner robot, that evidence is there as well. I'm not sure why this is becoming polarizing. I suppose for those that really, really wanted an inner white robot, this MP release is disappointing. Having lived through the 80s and getting the UM G1 toy, I can appreciate that perspective.
And yet, I am perfectly happy with how this turned out!
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
same. if we had gotten a white prime with armor, i bet we'd have just as many complaints about parts forming and whatnot.Agamemnon wrote:I'm not sure why this is becoming polarizing.
Cyberpath wrote:Actually, in the cartoon Rodimus Prime has a "full transformation" like Motormaster and Ultra Magnus.
He doesn't leave a semi-trailer behind like Optimus Prime, except for in animation errors.
I doubt they can translate that into a Masterpiece figure though. Unlike Magnus, Rodimus is quite svelte.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:They managed it with the Titanium one:
Cyberpath wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:They managed it with the Titanium one:
And the Choro-Q, but neither has "Masterpiece" esthetics. It would probably involve a lot of folding panels.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Cyberpath wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:They managed it with the Titanium one:
And the Choro-Q, but neither has "Masterpiece" esthetics. It would probably involve a lot of folding panels.
Not as man as you'd think. Here's a Japanese pictorial:
Titanium Series Rodimus Prime on Ooebi's Hobby Factory.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Burn wrote:Aside from the nostalgia as from the 80's as my reason for wanting the white inner robot, I thought they would have done it for the inevitable Powered Convoy repaint they could have made.
But that would be a bit hard now.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
But we've had several Ultra Magnus toy that were unique molds not redecoed from Optimus toys.Delta Magnus wrote:Also, isn't it kinda neat that for once, Ultra Magnus isn't just a white redeco/retool of Prime?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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