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[Sabrblade]

So much for trying to boost TF out of #SaveTFONE LMAO, this flick's biggest defenders at least tried staying offline for once to be outside their homes rather than rinse and repeat the same "Bayverse and/or any non-G1 series bad" bs they'd say on forums or social media.

Funny you should say that. When watching a video on YouTube going over the racers listed in the Iacon 5000, I happened to spot the following ridiculous comment posted in the Comments section below the video:

That is all wrong!

The transformers that are combiner members such as Silvetbolt and other Aerialbots, and Motormaster and other Stunticons did not exist yet during the time of Orion Pax and D16 because Optimus Prime and Megatron created them respectively when they were already here on Earth with personalities given to them by Vector Sigma. Also, Beast Machines TFs such as Tankor etc. should not have been there. Again this is the fault of the animators who did not research by knowing who were the original or Generation One TFs from the very first TF cartoon series

So dumb.

[#1 Signal Lancer fan]

That is all wrong!

The transformers that are combiner members such as Silvetbolt and other Aerialbots, and Motormaster and other Stunticons did not exist yet during the time of Orion Pax and D16 because Optimus Prime and Megatron created them respectively when they were already here on Earth with personalities given to them by Vector Sigma. Also, Beast Machines TFs such as Tankor etc. should not have been there. Again this is the fault of the animators who did not research by knowing who were the original or Generation One TFs from the very first TF cartoon series

Have they never encountered a reboot before?

[blackeyedprime]

The bland robot designs might not have helped it, judging by the images on those cards alone -it even makes the new quality street wrappers look good.

[#1 Signal Lancer fan]

The bland robot designs might not have helped it, judging by the images on those cards alone -it even makes the new quality street wrappers look good.

I will say that there is an in-story reason that the characters look similar to one another.

[Glyph]

Figured as much, but perhaps the cog upgrade could have done a bit more reformatting to individualise their designs by scale, silhouette etc. I don't dislike the designs - they do look more like a classic Transformers aesthetic to me overall - but just find them a bit bland.

I suppose the fact that they're transforming into Cybertronian vehicle modes makes it harder to distinguish them in a way that reads obviously as vehicle kibble - G1 bots were mostly built out of blocks, but the way that you could always see a car windshield or tank tracks, along with the clear colours, helped distinguish even the ones that shared a basic model. Seems like this often an issue with prequel series (see TWW / IDW histories / WFC games, or even post-86 G1) when the artist needs to come up with a new design that doesn't really transform into anything recognisable.

(Plus, an in-story reason can always be rewritten if needed to support the designs, they're not locked to some pre-existing canon that Must Not Be Touched.)

[First-Aid]

Lets face it. A lot of us grew up with Transformers as animation (cartoon), so for us this isn't a big jump. Two generation though know Transformers through the live action movies so they saw this as a deviation from their norm (think of Geewunners when Beast Wars came out, that type of deviation). ALmost 20 years of live action, CGI Transformers rather than animation. And before you say "There WAS Transformers animation!", the ratings say that virtually no one watched it. Earthspark was being outwatched by Golden Girls reruns at its PEAK...so no one was watching it (this data was presented on another thread).

I feel like this movie, if it had come out after the original TF in 2007, would have done much better. Now, after 7 established live action movies where people aren't going to watch the characters, they are going to watch the CGI and see what can be accomplished next, this seems like a step back in technology. The movie is outstanding, and only the whiniest die-hard Geewunners are going to disagree because Geewun. But the launch date was poor, the marketing was atrocious, and the general public (NOT the fans, the general public) were expecting something different. This is not THEIR Transformers, it's OUR Transformers. And it simply points out that we are not as influential as some people would like to think and our take on the franchise is probably outdated.

[-Kanrabat-]

Yup.

Pretty much what you said.

Many old fans here have a hard time grasping the concept that Bayformers ARE the nostalgic and "true" Transformers for a whole generation. A generation that is old enough to have already started the next one!

TF1 would have been way more popular if it would have stayed in the Bayformer style instead of that Earthsparkesque look.

[#1 Signal Lancer fan]

Many old fans here have a hard time grasping the concept that Bayformers ARE the nostalgic and "true" Transformers for a whole generation.

I browse the Transformers subreddit and this has been a wild thing to encounter. I was fairly young when they came out myself, but its so weird to see people who have grown up with Bayformers their whole life and view it as their "classic" Transformers in the same way that I do the Unicron Trilogy and others do for G1.

[CobraKai]

I saw more marketing for One than i did for Wild Robot. The issue is that Wild Robot has mass appeal while TF is more niche. While TF was fantastic in all respects, it only really appealed to TF fans and was never gonna bring in more audience members.

[-Kanrabat-]

Many old fans here have a hard time grasping the concept that Bayformers ARE the nostalgic and "true" Transformers for a whole generation.

I browse the Transformers subreddit and this has been a wild thing to encounter. I was fairly young when they came out myself, but its so weird to see people who have grown up with Bayformers their whole life and view it as their "classic" Transformers in the same way that I do the Unicorn Trilogy and others do for G1.

As someone who was a child when the G1 cartoon aired for the first time, this sure ain't making me any younger.

[Rodimus Prime]

TF1 would have been way more popular if it would have stayed in the Bayformer style instead of that Earthsparkesque look.

My point exactly.

And why is this thread even in the live action forum? There's nothing live action about it. Not the story or the media style.

[Sabrblade]

And why is this thread even in the live action forum? There's nothing live action about it. Not the story or the media style.

Because waaaaaaaaaay back when word of this movie was first heard about in 2017 (before TLK came out), it was originally conceived as a prequel to the live action movies, born out of the same writers' room that led to the creation of TLK, Bumblebee, and ROTB. It only later veered off from that original vision further down the road in its production development. So we can't fault the thread forum location decisions of seven years ago for the outcomes of the present that were unforeseeable back then.

[Glyph]

As for TF1, it should be in the CARTOON forums because it is 100% animated and it's its own thing, far removed from the L.A series. Both in style and story.

Maybe this one should be renamed to the Movie Forum?

Just sayin'. It makes a lot more sense to distinguish between movie vs TV vs comic than different styles of movies IMO.

[Rodimus Prime]

And why is this thread even in the live action forum? There's nothing live action about it. Not the story or the media style.

Because waaaaaaaaaay back when word of this movie was first heard about in 2017 (before TLK came out), it was originally conceived as a prequel to the live action movies, born out of the same writers' room that led to the creation of TLK, Bumblebee, and ROTB. It only later veered off from that original vision further down the road in its production development. So we can't fault the thread forum location decisions of seven years ago for the outcomes of the present that were unforeseeable back then.

That was 7 years ago. When it became obvious that it was not only going to be completely animated, but the story will be on it's own, or at least not attached to Bayverse, it could have been moved. Mods can do that. Or did that never get clarified until the movie was actually released?

[Sabrblade]

Or did that never get clarified until the movie was actually released?

Bingo.

Lorenzo even keeps going back and forth on it being its own thing or tied to the other movies. In this interview from just three days before the movie's official release date, he claimed it takes place 300 million years before the 2007 movie, which, now that the film has been released, we can fully say is an insane claim.

[JazZeke]

And why is this thread even in the live action forum? There's nothing live action about it. Not the story or the media style.

Because waaaaaaaaaay back when word of this movie was first heard about in 2017 (before TLK came out), it was originally conceived as a prequel to the live action movies, born out of the same writers' room that led to the creation of TLK, Bumblebee, and ROTB. It only later veered off from that original vision further down the road in its production development. So we can't fault the thread forum location decisions of seven years ago for the outcomes of the present that were unforeseeable back then.

That was 7 years ago. When it became obvious that it was not only going to be completely animated, but the story will be on it's own, or at least not attached to Bayverse, it could have been moved. Mods can do that. Or did that never get clarified until the movie was actually released?

Or perhaps this forum should just get renamed "TF Movies Forum" to cover all TF films, especially since the hope is for more animated movies in the future.

[DeathReviews]

I'm not sure why Beetlejuice2 is still doing well compared to Transformers. BJ2 was OK, but it wasn't great. It had at least three separate antagonist arcs, each one with it's own LONG build up. And each one resolved so abruptly that they were all a letdown. And they threw in a MacArthur Park song/dance parody that would have made a decent enough 30-second gag, but got blown out to nearly 10 minutes. They could have cut that bit out and spent more time with a more satisfying resolution to at least one of the other plot threads.

[chuckdawg1999]

Just as an aside, remember that Hasbro said ROTB was a success because the toys sold well and they made more than in previous quarters. Let's wait to see what Hasbro says about TFOne.

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[Tyrannacon]

I saw it today and I admit, I was completely wrong to be so hard on this film from the start when I heard about it. I think they did a fantastic job and I really appreciated the little details thrown in there to the other continuities where it felt like everything was sort of acknowledged while it was doing its own thing. What's more in doing its own thing they did an amazing job at the same time.

As for the acting, I mean I understand now why they didn't cast Cullen or Welker now. I genuinely get it as the cast sounds infinitely more youthful, but they sound like the characters I love. I definitely feel that the first trailer for the film is a disservice to the greatness this film managed to reach. It is definitely one of my go-to pieces of media when I want to immerse in Transformers material, definitely. 8.9/10 in my mind.

[partholon]

on plus side the films up to 97 mil now and it STILL has to open in the more lucrative regions of Europe.

on DOWN side its getting its streaming release date , according to Forbes, on October 20 to 22 depending on your service provider.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timlammers ... iere-date/

thats FECK all time from the UK/GERMANY released dates, like literally a little over a week. so it looks like Hasbro and co have thrown the towel in on the box office front.

[Sabrblade]

I just came back from the movie and yup.

Hands down the BEST Transformers movie so far. Everything clicks, everything makes sense, and not a single cringe moment, nor forced current day "message". This will make TF1 TIMELESS. It will be as good in 50 years as it is right now.

Welp, looks like someone found one such timely message in the movie:

Transformers One Is the Pro-Labor Allegory the Animation Industry Needs Right Now

[Big Grim]

thats FECK all time from the UK/GERMANY released dates, like literally a little over a week. so it looks like Hasbro and co have thrown the towel in on the box office front.

That's bananas. Still, I wanna see it on the big screen.

Do we know why there's been so much time between US launch and the UK one?

~ Grim

[#1 Signal Lancer fan]

I've seen some big-ish influencers start to praise the movie as underrated on Youtube over the past few days. Maybe these endorsements will give the movie a much needed boost.

[Glyph]

on DOWN side its getting its streaming release date , according to Forbes, on October 20 to 22 depending on your service provider.

thats FECK all time from the UK/GERMANY released dates, like literally a little over a week. so it looks like Hasbro and co have thrown the towel in on the box office front.

It'll be available on streaming literally before it even releases in French cinemas (Oct 23).