Transformers Plastic Types

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Transformers Plastic Types

Postby ApolloX » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:27 pm

I'm a long-time transformer fan and collector, although new to the forums. I really like certain lines of Transformers toys, but dislike some other toy lines, and am not sure what the correct terms/names for what I am describing is.

It seems like when I see a Transformer toy it comes in 2 flavors:

1) Hard plastic. This includes the G1 lines, older toys, and the Transformer Animated toy line. My experience has been most of these toys have hard plastic, metal in the hinges, metal screws, and sometimes metal pieces, although the metal is the part I care about the least. For example, the Transformer Animated toys didn't have much metal but they were very sturdy and transforming them was fun. Even the recent McDonalds Transformer toys were in relatively hard plastic.

2) Soft plastic. It seems like all the newer lines I see look great in the box, but when I open them up, the plastic feels extremely soft and flimsy. The joints are often plastic on plastic, which means they tend to fall part while I am bulding them. For example, I was transforming MP-21 (Bumblebee + spike) and Spike kept falling into pieces now matter how gentle I was.

Is there a common name for what I am describing? I really miss the harder plastics and metal hinges. I feel like the new ones look nice until I transform, and they fall apart in my hands. The Transformer Animation line is the one exception. I'm not sure what they did differently but the plastic felt different.
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Re: Transformers Plastic Types

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:45 pm

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You have no idea what you're talking about.
* First off, soft plastic = rubbery, bendy plastic. Which does not describe the common body plastic of most modern Transformers - if you think that's soft, you're delusional. And you're kidding yourself if you think G1 plastic was universally more durable: Soundwave's tape door breaks easily in its original design due to a conjunction of its small size the delicacy of most hard clear plastics, Jazz and the Datsuns' windshields are infamous for breaking off, and Mirage...
* Second, A. metal-pinned hinges haven't gone anywhere, and plastic-on-plastic joints have ALWAYS been a thing in Transformers. They allow for types of articulation that metal-pin hinges do not.
* Third, metal screws are also still very much present.
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Re: Transformers Plastic Types

Postby Rogue-Primal » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:26 pm

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There's also the dreaded GPS Gold Plastic Syndrome plastic.
Old toys had swirl patterns or glitter which is often brittle and crumble instead of stress marks or cracking. Luckily i never had such figures. Generation 2 Slingshot, Generation 2 Electro and Neo Beast Wars Randy are almost completely made out of it, and can even break in your hands if you're not careful.
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Re: Transformers Plastic Types

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:29 pm

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Rogue-Primal wrote:There's also the dreaded GPS Gold Plastic Syndrome plastic.
Old toys had swirl patterns or glitter which is often brittle and crumble instead of stress marks or cracking. Luckily i never had such figures. Generation 2 Slingshot, Generation 2 Electro and Neo Beast Wars Randy are almost completely made out of it, and can even break in your hands if you're not careful.

Honestly, by the time of G2 and Beast Wars they should have known better considering the dodgy metallic swirl plastic recipe originated with a Diaclone toy: The limited edition "Mekki" (Metallic) release of Powered Convoy.
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Re: Transformers Plastic Types

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:30 pm

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All plastics used have been the same types throughout the history of line: ABS, PC, PVC, POM and PA. But there's more to it.

Chemically speaking, plastics are never pure (as in no additions or pollutants, like "pure water" is nothing but H2O molecules), but rather are mixes. Depending on what it's for, other chemicals like plasticizers are added to make minor changes to its base properties, like elasticity, resistance to heat, and even color.
It's a constantly evolving field, along with the build of the figures made from the stuff, as a consequence figures may have different feels depending on the era it's from (tho it may all be in the eye of the beholder).

Here's a bit of a read about the subject: Plastic on TFWiki.
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Re: Transformers Plastic Types

Postby Skritz » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:06 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:if you think that's soft, you're delusional. And you're kidding yourself if you think G1 plastic was universally more durable


B-b-b-but it's GEEWUN! It was perfect. Imperishable. Superior to everything today from CHUG to Masterpiece. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Plastic Types

Postby ApolloX » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:34 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:All plastics used have been the same types throughout the history of line: ABS, PC, PVC, POM and PA. But there's more to it.

Chemically speaking, plastics are never pure (as in no additions or pollutants, like "pure water" is nothing but H2O molecules), but rather are mixes. Depending on what it's for, other chemicals like plasticizers are added to make minor changes to its base properties, like elasticity, resistance to heat, and even color.
It's a constantly evolving field, along with the build of the figures made from the stuff, as a consequence figures may have different feels depending on the era it's from (tho it may all be in the eye of the beholder).

Here's a bit of a read about the subject: Plastic on TFWiki.


Is there a common type of plastic they use now versus in the past? I feel like all the older stuff had hard solid plastic. Like Blur from Transformers Animated was quite firm, despite having a lot of thin pieces. Whereas newer stuff feels cheap and thin, like I can bend it with my bare hands. Even the older Car Robots series had stronger plastics (to me).

The fact that a lot of newest ones use a lot of plastic socket joints doesn’t help either. I feel like when I’m transforming older ones and some newer lines (like animated) I can be rough with it and it’s fine. The newer ones (anything made in the last 7 years) always leave me disappointed. Like they fall apart while transforming frequently.

Maybe it’s a weight issue with the plastic? Have yet to find the name/terminology of what I’m referring to though. I just know that any I’ve bought in the last few years have left me very disappointed.
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Re: Transformers Plastic Types

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:31 pm

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ApolloX wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:All plastics used have been the same types throughout the history of line: ABS, PC, PVC, POM and PA. But there's more to it.

Chemically speaking, plastics are never pure (as in no additions or pollutants, like "pure water" is nothing but H2O molecules), but rather are mixes. Depending on what it's for, other chemicals like plasticizers are added to make minor changes to its base properties, like elasticity, resistance to heat, and even color.
It's a constantly evolving field, along with the build of the figures made from the stuff, as a consequence figures may have different feels depending on the era it's from (tho it may all be in the eye of the beholder).

Here's a bit of a read about the subject: Plastic on TFWiki.


Is there a common type of plastic they use now versus in the past? I feel like all the older stuff had hard solid plastic. Like Blur from Transformers Animated was quite firm, despite having a lot of thin pieces. Whereas newer stuff feels cheap and thin, like I can bend it with my bare hands. Even the older Car Robots series had stronger plastics (to me).

The fact that a lot of newest ones use a lot of plastic socket joints doesn’t help either. I feel like when I’m transforming older ones and some newer lines (like animated) I can be rough with it and it’s fine. The newer ones (anything made in the last 7 years) always leave me disappointed. Like they fall apart while transforming frequently.

Maybe it’s a weight issue with the plastic? Have yet to find the name/terminology of what I’m referring to though. I just know that any I’ve bought in the last few years have left me very disappointed.


As said before, the main types described in the article have remained the same, but their composition (that's the word you're looking for?) has changed throughout the years. One good example of that is the potential elimination of Gold Plastic Syndrome (related to "Popy Disease" if you've heard of it), by lowering the amount of metallic flake thought to be the cause of the plastic turning brittle prematurely.

I will agree to the notion that newer compositions may feel "softer", or rather, more malleable and able to "bend" more before breaking, and that is key in the current design philosophy. Instead of having them be "unbreakable bricks" (which can still break with enough force, producing hazardous sharp shards), figures now have parts that easily pop off and back on without permanent damage, and increasing toy safety (no sharp shards!). Not saying that saying "softer" is necessarily better overall, mind you. I get nervous from being unable to gauge the snapping point :lol:

Here's a question for the lot of you: comparing plastics of like Generations and Cyberverse to Masterpiece, are they different in feel, and if yes, how?
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