william-james88 wrote:Wow, so much hope.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
william-james88 wrote:Wow, so much hope.
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Anyone remember the Target exclusive Beast Hunters Cyberverse Optimus and Predaking two pack? I still own that set... Twice. One open to play, one sealed for display. It's really kick-ass.
Best (but probably not the right) guess I could ever think of was RiD 2001 Megatron.william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Anyone remember the Target exclusive Beast Hunters Cyberverse Optimus and Predaking two pack? I still own that set... Twice. One open to play, one sealed for display. It's really kick-ass.
I know the Optimus was a Thunderclash homage, but what about that Predaking?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Best (but probably not the right) guess I could ever think of was RiD 2001 Megatron.
Manterax Prime wrote:Skritz wrote:Edit: I'd say my favorite 'wtf recolor' of Optimus in recent years has to be this guy:
Sure, I use him as Nova Prime but I have to admit that this is a very, very nice color scheme for Optimus Prime. It looks regal, almost holy.
He's my favorite to, for those same reason.
And the Star Convoy-esque head.
Hasbro:DeathReviews wrote:Well those CGI renders of PotP Inferno look nice. Pity the real thing won't be even close to that clean or shiny.
Let's see, how many Hot Spot remolds is this now? There's Onslaught (G1 and G2), Pyra Magna, UW Dolrailer and now this - missed any?
The most recent (as of this typing) episode of the Seibertron.com Twincast Podcast has confirmed Hun-Gurrr to not be another use of the Silverbolt mold after all. It borrows some transformation ideas from Silverbolt, but is 100% its own unique mold.DeathReviews wrote:I think the only other Voyager Combiner core that's been more duplicated is Silverbolt - and they're not done with HIM yet either (Hun-Grrr)...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Rated X wrote:Why so much? Four $15-20 figures and a $30 torso figure shouldnt be more than $110 wtf???? Better be G2 deco
Sabrblade wrote:It borrows some transformation ideas from Silverbolt, but is 100% its own unique mold.
And how are those cases different from the likes of G2 Smokescreen, Energon Starscream, 2010 Terradive, and FOC Starscream?william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It borrows some transformation ideas from Silverbolt, but is 100% its own unique mold.
Thats the same as these toys, which many fans do still consider retools.
Pics
Something having 100% different parts does not mean it was made from scratch. Quite the opposite, we now have confirmation that Hun Gurr is based on Silverbolt's engineering and can be considered a retool according to the toy industry (where a toy is either made from scratch or not).
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.
Are ideas tangible?william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.
Let me ask you this question, from all we know, was Hun Gur made from scratch?
Yes , or no?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.
Let me ask you this question, from all we know, was Hun Gur made from scratch?
Yes , or no?
william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.
Let me ask you this question, from all we know, was Hun Gur made from scratch?
Yes , or no?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: Which is a ridiculous notion, yet as far as I can make out that's your logic.
A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.
DeathReviews wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Uh,no. From what I've read, according to the toy industry or at the very least HasTak retool has a stricter definition than what fans use; it only refers to permanent mold changes as opposed to alternate parts. Super Ginrai would seem to be a true retool by that definition, as would the RiD Commandos compared to the original G1 combaticons.
Let me ask you this question, from all we know, was Hun Gur made from scratch?
Yes , or no?
Here's CW Cyclonus, the 'Hun-Grr' configuration. All that's really missing are the heads attached to the feet and the swiveling forelegs added to the robot 'hips'. Looks like Silverbolt to me...
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Let's just all agree that:
1) Hun-Gurrr shares no parts with Silverbolt
2) Hun-Gurrr's Torso Mode's transformation is similar to, if not based on, but not exact match to Silverbolt's
.
william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Let's just all agree that:
1) Hun-Gurrr shares no parts with Silverbolt
2) Hun-Gurrr's Torso Mode's transformation is similar to, if not based on, but not exact match to Silverbolt's
.
I have always agreed with that. Though I do believe that he is based on the silver bolt mold. And Hasbro did confirm that at Toy fair, according to TFW.
There are design elements that match up simply perfectly, like the robot mode forearms, like they took the existing design and worked around it very closely.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Let's just all agree that:
1) Hun-Gurrr shares no parts with Silverbolt
2) Hun-Gurrr's Torso Mode's transformation is similar to, if not based on, but not exact match to Silverbolt's
.
I have always agreed with that. Though I do believe that he is based on the silver bolt mold. And Hasbro did confirm that at Toy fair, according to TFW.
There are design elements that match up simply perfectly, like the robot mode forearms, like they took the existing design and worked around it very closely.
I agree that Silverbolt's engineering was used as a starting point, that's all there is really, with all parts being new designs, but that remains a sticking point for most it seems. A lot of figures have taken cues or even exact engineering from other releases, Hun-Gurrr falls well within that group. I will freely admit that had he a good amount of part designs in common with Silverbolt, he'd have been bumped up to part sharing, among the likes of Blurr & Chromedome, or Slag & Sludge
Speaking of Hun-Gurrr:
Is that his Enigma and feet I spy with Inferno?
MagicDeath wrote:Why does this retool debate keep popping up? We all agree on the facts, it’s just what you want to call a retool, which really should be ‘to each his own’.
Anyone mind telling me where I’ve seen Inferno’s packaging art chestplate before? Is it MtMtE Grapple?
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