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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, good shots. But it just reminds me what a bad torso Grimlock makes. I use Sky Lynx with the Dinobots.

Hey, I like how he looks and functions as a torso. So nyeh

Mine is floppy and the shoulders can't support the weight of the arms. Maybe I just got a bad one.

Maybe.. Which would certainly suck.

I admit that I have experienced a bit of forward wobble in the waist at times, but not any more than I've had with Silverbolt or Motormaster.
As for the shoulders.. Are you absolutely sure you've got Grimlock's forearms actually lined up with and slotted onto the tabs? It can be kinda fiddly to get them lined up right (and some extra slots on his forearms that are there for a different reason can mislead you, which doesn't exactly help), but when you do they should stay on fairly tight. It's also vital to make sure that you connect the shoulders to the halves of Grimlock's T. rex torso. That does a lot to help anchor things.

I tried again, and sure enough I had one of the pegs on each forearm in the wrong spot once I folded the arms into the sides. I fixed it and that made the torso surprisingly stable. So thank you for that. I don't know how I missed it. Maybe because I was biased against Volcanicus from the start. They should have been done like Predaking was, all 5 Dinos Voyager sized. Besides, I still don't like how Volcanicus looks, his shoulders are too wide and his waist is too small. The Dinobots look better with Sky Lynx.

Also, thanks for the explanation on Inferno, to both you and Sabrblade. I forgot about those wings, because they were small on the G1 figure. But now I get the homage to them and firetrucks in general.

And I think he would have looked good with a red chest.

If Inferno's head was swapped with RID Optimus Prime's head, would that be an acceptable homage?

And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, good shots. But it just reminds me what a bad torso Grimlock makes. I use Sky Lynx with the Dinobots.

Hey, I like how he looks and functions as a torso. So nyeh

Mine is floppy and the shoulders can't support the weight of the arms. Maybe I just got a bad one.

Maybe.. Which would certainly suck.

I admit that I have experienced a bit of forward wobble in the waist at times, but not any more than I've had with Silverbolt or Motormaster.
As for the shoulders.. Are you absolutely sure you've got Grimlock's forearms actually lined up with and slotted onto the tabs? It can be kinda fiddly to get them lined up right (and some extra slots on his forearms that are there for a different reason can mislead you, which doesn't exactly help), but when you do they should stay on fairly tight. It's also vital to make sure that you connect the shoulders to the halves of Grimlock's T. rex torso. That does a lot to help anchor things.

I tried again, and sure enough I had one of the pegs on each forearm in the wrong spot once I folded the arms into the sides. That made the torso surprisingly stable. So thank you for that. I don't know how I missed it. Maybe because I was biased against Volcanicus from the start. They should have been done like Predaking was, all 5 Dinos Voyager sized. Besides, I still don't like how Volcanicus looks, his shoulders are too wide and his waist is too small. The Dinobots look better with Sky Lynx.

You can mitigate Volcanicus' wide shoulders and small waist by plugging the two excess Armors into his sides, "buffing up" his abdomen. There are two 5mm holes there that seemingly serve no other purpose.

Sabrblade wrote:

No offense, but Sunstreaker is kind of the combo breaker of that set up. He really looks out of place in a combiner that is primarily red and white.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

The latter. Reread my post very carefully.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

The latter. Reread my post very carefully.

I'm too tired for riddles. Dragon Megatron was in the show, Throne of the Primes Optimus wasn't.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

The latter. Reread my post very carefully.

I'm too tired for riddles. Dragon Megatron was in the show, Throne of the Primes Optimus wasn't.

That's not Dragon Megatron.

Oh! They must've gotten all of Walmart's warm overstock.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

The latter. Reread my post very carefully.

I'm too tired for riddles. Dragon Megatron was in the show, Throne of the Primes Optimus wasn't.

That's not Dragon Megatron.

Are we talking about 2 different characters/figures? I'm talking about the BotCon repaint of RID Megatron. That's a red dragon, isn't it?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

The latter. Reread my post very carefully.

I'm too tired for riddles. Dragon Megatron was in the show, Throne of the Primes Optimus wasn't.

That's not Dragon Megatron.

Are we talking about 2 different characters/figures? I'm talking about the BotCon repaint of RID Megatron. That's a red dragon, isn't it?

This is Transmetal 2 Megatron. The Botcon figure is not supposed to represent Megatron's Transmetal 2 form. Instead, it is a hypothetical Transmetal 3 Megatron that was supposed to be an exclusive to the cancelled OTFCC 2005.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Are we talking about 2 different characters/figures? I'm talking about the BotCon repaint of RID Megatron. That's a red dragon, isn't it?

I can see Sabr's point. RiD Megatron was 2-headed, a supposed "next step" beyond being just a one headed dragon.

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

The latter. Reread my post very carefully.

I'm too tired for riddles. Dragon Megatron was in the show, Throne of the Primes Optimus wasn't.

That's not Dragon Megatron.

Are we talking about 2 different characters/figures? I'm talking about the BotCon repaint of RID Megatron. That's a red dragon, isn't it?

Megatron BW.jpg

This is Transmetal 2 Megatron. The Botcon figure is not supposed to represent Megatron's Transmetal 2 form. Instead, it is a hypothetical Transmetal 3 Megatron that was supposed to be an exclusive to the cancelled OTFCC 2005.

That's all sabrblade had to say, instead of doing this stupid dance around it. I thought the BotCon figure was an homage to the dragon from the end of season 3.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Sabr, wouldn't the regular OpOp look better in that BW pic, considering that was his final incarnation in season 3, like the dragon was Megatron's?

I wouldn't think so, since that's not Megatron's Transmetal 2 form, but what was conceived as his Transmetal 3 form. The Throne of the Primes version would in turn be viewed as a theoretical form beyond Primal's normal Optimal Optimus form like how Megatron's is a theoretical form beyond his Transmetal 2 form.

That is, if they had assumed these ultimate forms either instead of or after their Beast Machines ones.

At the end of season 3, Megatron was a red dragon like the BotCon figure is. And Primal had the regular gold and purple version of the TOTP figure. Right? Or am I forgetting something?

The latter. Reread my post very carefully.

I'm too tired for riddles. Dragon Megatron was in the show, Throne of the Primes Optimus wasn't.

That's not Dragon Megatron.

Are we talking about 2 different characters/figures? I'm talking about the BotCon repaint of RID Megatron. That's a red dragon, isn't it?

Megatron BW.jpg

This is Transmetal 2 Megatron. The Botcon figure is not supposed to represent Megatron's Transmetal 2 form. Instead, it is a hypothetical Transmetal 3 Megatron that was supposed to be an exclusive to the cancelled OTFCC 2005.

That's all sabrblade had to say, instead of doing this stupid dance around it. I thought the BotCon figure was an homage to the dragon from the end of season 3.

I DID say that! In the very first post I made in response to your original question!

Okay, you're right, I was reading last night with tired eyes. I got confused with the Transmetal 2 and 3. I just reread the whole thing again. Sorry.

Following Inferno's arrival on Hasbro Toy Shop, we've received word from fellow Seiberton user, DeathReviews, that Wave 2 of the Prime Master class is now online. This will be a welcome relief to those that are searching for these but haven't come across them in stores. The two Primes represented here is Alchemist Prime (Who has decoy armour modelled on Decepticon Pretender Submaruder) and Alpha Trion (Who has decoy armour modelled on Autobot Pretender Landmine).

Alchemist Prime



Alpha Trion



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Got my throne primal today, haven't transformed him yet, but his bot mode is kinda glorious, gonna get the standard release if I find him for retail price, but this is fun in that it's something different.

Also got inferno after seeing so many pics of him looking great; I think its the really wide feet, they make him look way more proportionate

Alright, had some time to mess around with everyone, optimal is indeed glorious, and a must have in my opinion, just for all the crazy and fun ways that he can combined, he really took the gimmick to its limit.

Out-fer-yes is - grudgingly - pretty good too. The nicely tight thigh joints (thanks to the remolding) allow him to hold a pose a little better than hotspot ever could, and I like the colors better. Hate to say that out-fer-yes has silver paint splotched all over his eyebrows and his combined mode headcrest is assembled backwards

Hellscream9999 wrote:Got my throne primal today, haven't transformed him yet, but his bot mode is kinda glorious, gonna get the standard release if I find him for retail price, but this is fun in that it's something different.

Also got inferno after seeing so many pics of him looking great; I think its the really wide feet, they make him look way more proportionate

Not gonna lie, I'm turning more and more green seeing how much everyone is enjoying Primal. I'm normally pretty lucky with these things, so I guess it's my turn to be left out in the cold.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Got my throne primal today, haven't transformed him yet, but his bot mode is kinda glorious, gonna get the standard release if I find him for retail price, but this is fun in that it's something different.

Also got inferno after seeing so many pics of him looking great; I think its the really wide feet, they make him look way more proportionate

Not gonna lie, I'm turning more and more green seeing how much everyone is enjoying Primal. I'm normally pretty lucky with these things, so I guess it's my turn to be left out in the cold.

Apparently he will be double-packed in wave 4 and also be in wave 3, which means that everyone should be able to find one if stores keep stocking the leader class figures

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Got my throne primal today, haven't transformed him yet, but his bot mode is kinda glorious, gonna get the standard release if I find him for retail price, but this is fun in that it's something different.

Also got inferno after seeing so many pics of him looking great; I think its the really wide feet, they make him look way more proportionate

Not gonna lie, I'm turning more and more green seeing how much everyone is enjoying Primal. I'm normally pretty lucky with these things, so I guess it's my turn to be left out in the cold.

Apparently he will be double-packed in wave 4 and also be in wave 3, which means that everyone should be able to find one if stores keep stocking the leader class figures

I meant the SDCC one. I keep checking the product page, hoping against hope. It just looks so amazing.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Got my throne primal today, haven't transformed him yet, but his bot mode is kinda glorious, gonna get the standard release if I find him for retail price, but this is fun in that it's something different.

Also got inferno after seeing so many pics of him looking great; I think its the really wide feet, they make him look way more proportionate

Not gonna lie, I'm turning more and more green seeing how much everyone is enjoying Primal. I'm normally pretty lucky with these things, so I guess it's my turn to be left out in the cold.

Apparently he will be double-packed in wave 4 and also be in wave 3, which means that everyone should be able to find one if stores keep stocking the leader class figures

I meant the SDCC one. I keep checking the product page, hoping against hope. It just looks so amazing.

Well, you can still pre-order the TT release...

Hellscream9999 wrote:Well, you can still pre-order the TT release...

Oh, I have. 2019 is a long time to wait when your whole MO is reviewing new toys. Total first world problem, I know. But one that is frustrating me to no end the last few days.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Well, you can still pre-order the TT release...

Oh, I have. 2019 is a long time to wait when your whole MO is reviewing new toys. Total first world problem, I know. But one that is frustrating me to no end the last few days.

I have no problem waiting until Jan. I'm waiting for reviews to come in to see if I really want it. But I'm an unapologetic G1 fan who never watched BW...so this is not high on my list.

Gotta admit, it's kinda cool having 12/13 primemasters, might get onyx, if I can find predaking on discount.

But that throne is no joke, it has a ratcheted backing for holding all the primemasters, was not expectin that