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shajaki wrote:This is upsetting.

Hey HasTak, there's a Leader Prime from a previous line that needs a black deco STAT!

Close enough

I made the right decision in not getting the regular one.

william-james88 wrote:

shajaki wrote:This is upsetting.

Hey HasTak, there's a Leader Prime from a previous line that needs a black deco STAT!

Close enough

shajaki wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

shajaki wrote:This is upsetting.

Hey HasTak, there's a Leader Prime from a previous line that needs a black deco STAT!

Close enough

Turn that yellow to red and I'd bite.

william-james88 wrote:Looking at the Evil Rodimus we are getting, I am expecting orion to look the exact same but in a different deco. Also, I thought it was a given we would get a black prime repaint of this optimus. How many recent Optimus molds have not gotten a black repaint?

From Hasbro? Cuz, that's what most of the skeptical crowd were thinking. Black Optimus repaints are more Takara's thing, historically-speaking.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Looking at the Evil Rodimus we are getting, I am expecting orion to look the exact same but in a different deco. Also, I thought it was a given we would get a black prime repaint of this optimus. How many recent Optimus molds have not gotten a black repaint?

From Hasbro? Cuz, that's what most of the skeptical crowd were thinking. Black Optimus repaints are more Takara's thing, historically-speaking.

Hasbro does it every once in a while. The reason why it seemed so likely for Power of the Primes is because there would otherwise be no other use of the Optimus Prime mold. It can't pass for any other character, unless they extensively retooled it into Ultra Magnus somewhere down the line. Hasbro doesn't usually care for "one and done" on any given mold. We didn't get Nemesis Prime repaints in Combiner Wars or Titans Return, because those Optimus Primes either got different retools/repaints later in the same line or were themselves retools. CW Voyager Optimus was later released in white and gold as Power Core Optimus Prime. TF Powermaster Optimus Prime was an extensive retool of CW Ultra Magnus, and it was then further retooled by Takara and released several more times.

It's likely Takara was very much in support of this POTP Nemesis Prime too. My guess is that, since Hasbro and Takara are now releasing identical toys in their respective markets, they're saving money by doing their production runs together at the factories. Some of the product will be set aside for Takara to distribute to Japan a few months later than Hasbro will do so in its markets. Doing more of the same product at once helps with the overhead quite a bit, and Takara and Hasbro can now share that reduced cost. What does this mean? If Hasbro is releasing Nemesis Prime, it's probably because Takara initially wanted to, and it was easier to justify financially if they made more at once to cover all markets, Hasbro included, instead of Takara doing a much smaller run just for Japan.

Damn, that is a nice headsculpt on him!!!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Looking at the Evil Rodimus we are getting, I am expecting orion to look the exact same but in a different deco. Also, I thought it was a given we would get a black prime repaint of this optimus. How many recent Optimus molds have not gotten a black repaint?

From Hasbro? Cuz, that's what most of the skeptical crowd were thinking. Black Optimus repaints are more Takara's thing, historically-speaking.

Hasbro does it every once in a while. The reason why it seemed so likely for Power of the Primes is because there would otherwise be no other use of the Optimus Prime mold. It can't pass for any other character, unless they extensively retooled it into Ultra Magnus somewhere down the line. Hasbro doesn't usually care for "one and done" on any given mold. We didn't get Nemesis Prime repaints in Combiner Wars or Titans Return, because those Optimus Primes either got different retools/repaints later in the same line or were themselves retools. CW Voyager Optimus was later released in white and gold as Power Core Optimus Prime. TF Powermaster Optimus Prime was an extensive retool of CW Ultra Magnus, and it was then further retooled by Takara and released several more times.

Feels like you just explained why it just as easily could've not been a black repaint. They could have made him blue like a few previous Primes or white like Battle Core OP, or retooled him into someone entirely different (Thunderclash? Armada Optimus Prime?). A black repaint never seemed like a sure thing. The last time Hasbro did a black repaint of a Prime was the 2014 Legends Nemesis Prime (if you don't count Primitive Skatboarding Prime which wasn't designed by Hasbro). They've had lots of opportunities between Prime, RID CW, TR, AOE, and TLK, but didn't take them, opting to do other things instead.

Emerje

Why do people keep on suggesting Thunderclash as a remold for him?

Besides being a big truck it doesn't seem like the mold suits him at all, I for one would prefer an original mold and this is coming from someone who doesn't mind repiants and remolds most of the time.

Deadput wrote:Why do people keep on suggesting Thunderclash as a remold for him?

Besides being a big truck

And you just answered your own question. There aren't a whole lot of trailer trucks to choose from that would be accepted as a Leader. Motormaster might work, but he just got a figure and I think we're past the point of Combiners that don't combine.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Deadput wrote:Why do people keep on suggesting Thunderclash as a remold for him?

Besides being a big truck

And you just answered your own question. There aren't a whole lot of trailer trucks to choose from that would be accepted as a Leader. Motormaster might work, but he just got a figure and I think we're past the point of Combiners that don't combine.

Emerje

Why go with a super extensive retool instead of making up a new mold down the line for him then? (Because a minor retool isn't going to work for Thunderclash)

Nemesis is nice and simple to make for them, and hell I appreciate the new head and guns as well as some of the teal on him.


(I seriously like that headsculpt, and while it does look similar to Toxitron's head which in of itself was designed by Hasbro for a Nemesis Prime they never made the mold's are actually different.)

And honestly when is the last time we have gotten a fake leak? The badly photoshopped TLK stuff that was quickly debunked?

Emerje wrote:I think we're past the point of Combiners that don't combine.

We're way past that: now we got combiner version of people who don't combine!

Skritz wrote:

Emerje wrote:I think we're past the point of Combiners that don't combine.

We're way past that: now we got combiner version of people who don't combine!

Yay! Kind of

Skritz wrote:

Emerje wrote:I think we're past the point of Combiners that don't combine.

We're way past that: now we got combiner version of people who don't combine!

I was personally very much fine with this and the Headmaster versions of characters that weren't.

It's new interpretations of characters and I appreciate as much freshness we can get.

I didn't mind either, I was simply pointing just how much the phenomena had reversed, where you'd see updates of characters (or redeco of an existing toy which homaged said character) without their gimmick, be it a non-combiner Silverbolt or a non-pretender Thunderwing. Or stuff like Cybertron Optimus recolored as a Motormaster homage.

Or going further back, pre-Neo G1: Beast Wars/Machine and RID 2001 molds with a new paintjob as G1 characters. Spider Arcee, anyone? Jetstorm Jihaxus?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Looking at the Evil Rodimus we are getting, I am expecting orion to look the exact same but in a different deco. Also, I thought it was a given we would get a black prime repaint of this optimus. How many recent Optimus molds have not gotten a black repaint?

From Hasbro? Cuz, that's what most of the skeptical crowd were thinking. Black Optimus repaints are more Takara's thing, historically-speaking.

I wasnt refering to Hasbro specifically but I was pretty sure we would get a black redeco of this in one way or another.

This could be a further example of Brand Unification.

Skritz wrote:Or going further back, pre-Neo G1: Beast Wars/Machine and RID 2001 molds with a new paintjob as G1 characters. Spider Arcee, anyone? Jetstorm Jihaxus?

The former was a 3H BotCon idea, done at a time when G1 characters getting new toys was unheard of, and done with a mold that was pretty much the only available option that could have conceivably worked, but even then was it a stretch since the accompanying fiction still had to explain why she looked like that then.

As for the latter, that was more of just an "in name only" case since G2 Jhiaxus wasn't orange. An obscure, hard-to-come-by collector's club magazine (the only one of its kind, even) was what retconned the RiD toy into being the G2 character in a new body.


Now, something like RiD Storm Jet being a mass retail Hasbro figure using G1 Jetfire's deco as a direct homage at a time when G1 homages like that were virtually nonexistent would be a more on the money example.

If the Orion pax head sculpt is remolded and a bit of retooling for the Orion chest, I'd probably pick this one up. It would beat the price of the MP10B KO. Plus I'd wager that the vehicle mode would look better contained with a unified colour tone.

Deadput wrote:Why go with a super extensive retool instead of making up a new mold down the line for him then? (Because a minor retool isn't going to work for Thunderclash)

What makes you think it would be extensive? A new head and chest in evolved mode is all I would expect just like they did with Armada Megatron or all the Decepticon Seeker Jet retools from Jetfire. Thunderclash isn't important enough to Hasbro to get a new mold and the only way you're getting him with a trailer is as a Leader so it's a matter of best case scenarios.

Nemesis is nice and simple to make for them, and hell I appreciate the new head and guns as well as some of the teal on him.

Oh, no doubt this is the simplest path to getting a new use out of the figure and I don't actually think there's any chance of a Thunderclash being made from the mold, I was simply listing alternatives to why a black repaint isn't a sure thing every time we get a new Prime mold.

(I seriously like that headsculpt, and while it does look similar to Toxitron's head which in of itself was designed by Hasbro for a Nemesis Prime they never made the mold's are actually different.)

I hope people didn't think I thought it was actually the Toxitron head on the PotP Prime body. Obviously his little head wouldn't look good on a Leader body and I can't imagine anyone taking apart such an expensive figure just to make a custom, I was thinking more along the lines of the image being photoshopped. But the more we've dissected the image the more obvious it's a new sculpt based on Toxitron's.

I'm leaning more towards this being the next SDCC exclusive since the number of new weapons seem to be on par with the extra stuff that came with Primitive Prime.

And honestly when is the last time we have gotten a fake leak? The badly photoshopped TLK stuff that was quickly debunked?

I don't know if I would call that one debunked since it isn't that much different from the PotP and Studio Series leaks which also had a bunch of photoshopped images in them. The only thing that leak got wrong was Onslaught getting a figure and Nitro and Hot Rod being TRU exclusives (and Rod being retooled from the wrong figure which we've seen happen on official Hasbro images before).

Emerje

Another Nemesis Prime, yay. With callbacks to other Nemeses:

- the head: the planned CW Nemesis Prime which was turned into TFSS 5.0 Toxitron
- the arm guns: Armada Nemesis Prime
- sword with red blade: tentatively the Star Saber, or its Dark Saber (or Vorpal Saber, whatever) redeco wielded by Armada Nemesis Prime

Sabrblade wrote:at a time when G1 characters getting new toys was unheard of

Strange to think such an era even existed, huh?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:- sword with red blade: tentatively the Star Saber, or its Dark Saber (or Vorpal Saber, whatever) redeco wielded by Armada Nemesis Prime

I think it's more of a Scourge/Black Convoy reference. It doesn't look particularly Vorpal/Dark Saber-ish to me.

I did just notice that on the hilt of the sword between the hinges there is a rectangular peg that seems to match the slot on the other sword so they should be able to combine somehow. Also I'm starting to lean towards it turning into a bird, it almost looks like it has a bird head on the back of the blade.

Emerje

Both swords look grossly undersized.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Both swords look grossly undersized.

You think so? I think they look normal compared to the massive swords we usually associate with Scourge.

Emerje

Skritz wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:at a time when G1 characters getting new toys was unheard of

Strange to think such an era even existed, huh?

Wasn't called the "Beast Era" for nothin'.