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o.supreme wrote:I'm not sure how you can tell just by looking at the PM itself what Pretender shell it could go with. Even with the ones I have, I would not have the mind to pair them up automatically with the shells the came with. I'm currently of the opinion that it will be exclusively sold with Predaking, but at the same time, I'd love to see a complete set of 12 (or 13...) PM's sold with Pretender Shells individually...

Prime Masters are primarily styled after the inner robot of the shell they come with, you can see that with Metalhawk, Cloudburst, Skullgrin, Submarauder and Octopunch. Their retools Landmine, Bludgeon (both from Metalhawk), Waverider (Cloudburst) and Bomb-Burst (Skullgrin) keep the chest of their progenitors at the very least.
Onyx Prime doesn't seem to be based on a Pretender from what I can tell, so chances are he has no shell to speak of, or it's a very obscure one. He may never have been meant for the regular Prime Master Class.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Blitzwing is bae wrote:Prediking is beutiful!!!

Galactic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Preadaking and the Predacons just keep looking better and better in these new promotional picks. I'm really hyped to pick this set up later this year. I honestly don't understand why some people are so unhappy with this.

Maybe because everything about them looks terrible... From their hideously, over-blocky beast modes, to their hampered bot modes, all the way to the anorexic combined mode (which somehow manages to look even worse now in that three-quarter view)

Razorclaw shoulda been a chunky ultra/leader class figure

There's nothing wrong with these, they look great. People are too f-in picky. You all expect 3rd party looks for Hasbro pricing.

All of that, plus nostalgia goggles. Seriously, take a look at the side-by-side comparisons shots of the G1 Predacons and Predaking compared with this modern redo. Anyone pretending the originals were somehow less blocky, better proportioned, or better sculpted, is lying to themselves because reality doesn't stack up to their unreasonable expectations. The ONLY thing the G1 figures were compared to these new figures is better armed.

Encore predaking circa $60 on sale.
This one circa $200 i am assuming

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I'm not sure how you can tell just by looking at the PM itself what Pretender shell it could go with. Even with the ones I have, I would not have the mind to pair them up automatically with the shells the came with. I'm currently of the opinion that it will be exclusively sold with Predaking, but at the same time, I'd love to see a complete set of 12 (or 13...) PM's sold with Pretender Shells individually...

Prime Masters are primarily styled after the inner robot of the shell they come with, you can see that with Metalhawk, Cloudburst, Skullgrin, Submarauder and Octopunch. Their retools Landmine, Bludgeon (both from Metalhawk), Waverider (Cloudburst) and Bomb-Burst (Skullgrin) keep the chest of their progenitors at the very least.
Onyx Prime doesn't seem to be based on a Pretender from what I can tell, so chances are he has no shell to speak of, or it's a very obscure one. He may never have been meant for the regular Prime Master Class.

Onyx honestly looks like he was instead based directly off of the Binder of Revelation design for himself, Onyx Prime (hoofed feet, clawed hands, bird-mask head, multi-layered torso/shoulders with triangular features, etc.) instead of a preexisting Pretender's inner robot.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I'm not sure how you can tell just by looking at the PM itself what Pretender shell it could go with. Even with the ones I have, I would not have the mind to pair them up automatically with the shells the came with. I'm currently of the opinion that it will be exclusively sold with Predaking, but at the same time, I'd love to see a complete set of 12 (or 13...) PM's sold with Pretender Shells individually...

Prime Masters are primarily styled after the inner robot of the shell they come with, you can see that with Metalhawk, Cloudburst, Skullgrin, Submarauder and Octopunch. Their retools Landmine, Bludgeon (both from Metalhawk), Waverider (Cloudburst) and Bomb-Burst (Skullgrin) keep the chest of their progenitors at the very least.
Onyx Prime doesn't seem to be based on a Pretender from what I can tell, so chances are he has no shell to speak of, or it's a very obscure one. He may never have been meant for the regular Prime Master Class.

Onyx honestly looks like he was instead based directly off of the Binder of Revelation design for himself, Onyx Prime (hoofed feet, clawed hands, bird-mask head, multi-layered torso/shoulders with triangular features, etc.) instead of a preexisting Pretender's inner robot.

And by extension the IDW design:

^ Well... yeah. That goes without saying. IDW just used (and at times misinterpreted) the Binder design.

That's how Alchemist Prime should look like:

Amazon pre-orders are here:


- https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B07BW8 ... RJN5&psc=1


- https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B07BWH ... RJN5&psc=1


- https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B07BWM ... RJN5&psc=1


- https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B07CB3 ... RJN5&psc=1

Those are Japanese, they aren't going to do anyone here any good

I have still not seen a single power of the primes toy in an actual shop yet - which is a bit odd. But then it wasn't like there was a lot about during the Titans Return era either.

I hate it when you ask in a toyshop and they say they only sell Transformers toys when a movie is out - like they don't even now there are toys the rest of the time.

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Oh and is there a thread for this board where people post things like coupon codes, sales and the like ?

I did a search but nothing obvious popped up. Or do people just mention it under the general topics - like that HTS sale from a few weeks ago ?

Just thought i'd ask as it just crossed my mind. (sorry if this is the wrong place to ask - there didn't seem to be an obvious place to ask).

RAR wrote:Oh and is there a thread for this board where people post things like coupon codes, sales and the like ?

It's a bit of an awkward place, but we have a Steal of a Deal thread in the Sightings Forum, where discounts, sales and good deals are shown off.

Finally got the Battletrap duocons! I had to pay full price. 30$CAN total is quite expensive for two scouts. But eh, inflation and shiet.

So, how they hold up?

Individual bot modes are fantastic. They are TIGHT, colorful, and well made. It's fun to get some stuff without QC issues for once.



The vehicles are good enough. A bit of sacrifice for the combined mode I guess. The car have a weak back and the copter have a very messy side. Still, they look good enough and do the job. I especially love the fact that they are about the same size as the original G1.



The combined mode is MAGNIFICENT. It's pretty solid, posable, great looking, and amazingly cool. The G1 original look like an embryo next to the POTP update.



My only true complaint is the lack of a gun. I would have like both bots to come with a gun that combine into the double-barrelled gun for the big bot. A missed opportunity. Oh well... I'll just have to make one I guess.

In the end, do I regret having paid full price? Oh HELL NO! I'm telling myself it would have been a lot worse. Like missing out and having to pay double or triple on the secondary market. See the duo in store? GRAB 'EM!

Wolfman Jake wrote:Seriously, take a look at the side-by-side comparisons shots of the G1 Predacons and Predaking compared with this modern redo. Anyone pretending the originals were somehow less blocky, better proportioned, or better sculpted, is lying to themselves because reality doesn't stack up to their unreasonable expectations. The ONLY thing the G1 figures were compared to these new figures is better armed.

You're not kidding about G1 Predaking being better armed. I bought the reissue a year or two ago & he came with a decent sized bag of guns & swords. He is actually sitting on a shelf with my Unite Warriors Menasor, Bruticus, & Grand Galvatron, so for anyone looking for a version of Predaking that will scale better with your other combiners....he may be an option worth looking into.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

My only true complaint is the lack of a gun. I would have like both bots to come with a gun that combine into the double-barrelled gun for the big bot. A missed opportunity. Oh well... I'll just have to make one I guess.

My good sir, may I suggest the following as a solution to your armament dilemma?



You are quite welcome!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

My only true complaint is the lack of a gun. I would have like both bots to come with a gun that combine into the double-barrelled gun for the big bot. A missed opportunity. Oh well... I'll just have to make one I guess.

My good sir, may I suggest the following as a solution to your armament dilemma?

You are quite welcome!

The Nonnef upgrade pack is good for weapons too. Small blaster, double barreled blaster and a new blade that can be used as a sword.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Preadaking and the Predacons just keep looking better and better in these new promotional picks. I'm really hyped to pick this set up later this year. I honestly don't understand why some people are so unhappy with this.

Maybe because everything about them looks terrible... From their hideously, over-blocky beast modes, to their hampered bot modes, all the way to the anorexic combined mode (which somehow manages to look even worse now in that three-quarter view)

Razorclaw shoulda been a chunky ultra/leader class figure

There's nothing wrong with these, they look great. People are too f-in picky. You all expect 3rd party looks for Hasbro pricing.

All of that, plus nostalgia goggles. Seriously, take a look at the side-by-side comparisons shots of the G1 Predacons and Predaking compared with this modern redo. Anyone pretending the originals were somehow less blocky, better proportioned, or better sculpted, is lying to themselves because reality doesn't stack up to their unreasonable expectations. The ONLY thing the G1 figures were compared to these new figures is better armed.

I grew up in the 90's and never discovered him until well into the 2000's, so your 'nostalgia goggles' argument holds absolutely no water; these things are hideous. Abominus and wolfwire and all of the studio series prove hasbro can do beast-formers and beast combiners right, I expected something better looking for my money

Emerje wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Hotconvoy wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:Please tell me someone will sell that Onyx alone...

I'm hoping that Hasbro will be selling Onyx separately somehow. This is an expensive set to buy just to complete the Prime Master set.

I can guarantee one hundred percent they will not sell Onyx by himself, it's like one of those 300 dollar lego sets that has a really cool exclusive figure.

Ohhhhhh i hate those sooooooo much!

It's a special edition version, onyx will be getting a retail release, it'll just have different colors

Yep, if it was our only chance at the guy they would be calling him an exclusive instead of a special edition the same way they're calling the clear Megatronus that comes with Blastoff a special edition.

Single Megatronus should look like this:

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The core should be orange without the yellow paint and with a pink-ish symbol and no black outline. The bot mode should have black arms like in the art and like how all Prime Masters' arms match their upper legs.

Doesn't mean there'll be a wave 4 of Prime Masters in PotP, they could be held over to wave 1 of War for Cybertron, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen lines mix.

Emerje

i for one could care less about the primemaster i just want the predaking

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Finally, an up close shot of Onyx:



... and he's not based on a standard Pretender, may very well an original animalistic design. Lovely, that may mean he doesn't have a Shell of his own.

I was looking at this last night on TFWiki. It's definitely different from the other Prime Masters, not just in design, but as I mentioned before his parts are odd for being all orange except for his upper legs which are black when all of the other PMs have their head, upper legs and arms match.

So, wild theory, what if they based his shell off something bestial, but still humanoid like Oilmaster?



The orange and black would actually work. They can do the back in black plastic, the front in orange and paint it up in silver, brown, and gold to get the colors right. The weapon can resemble a bird or something to give the Double Pretender vibe.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Finally, an up close shot of Onyx:



... and he's not based on a standard Pretender, may very well an original animalistic design. Lovely, that may mean he doesn't have a Shell of his own.

I was looking at this last night on TFWiki. It's definitely different from the other Prime Masters, not just in design, but as I mentioned before his parts are odd for being all orange except for his upper legs which are black when all of the other PMs have their head, upper legs and arms match.

So, wild theory, what if they based his shell off something bestial, but still humanoid like Oilmaster?



The orange and black would actually work. They can do the back in black plastic, the front in orange and paint it up in silver, brown, and gold to get the colors right. The weapon can resemble a bird or something to give the Double Pretender vibe.

Emerje

maybe PE will come up with something

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Preadaking and the Predacons just keep looking better and better in these new promotional picks. I'm really hyped to pick this set up later this year. I honestly don't understand why some people are so unhappy with this.

Maybe because everything about them looks terrible... From their hideously, over-blocky beast modes, to their hampered bot modes, all the way to the anorexic combined mode (which somehow manages to look even worse now in that three-quarter view)

Razorclaw shoulda been a chunky ultra/leader class figure

There's nothing wrong with these, they look great. People are too f-in picky. You all expect 3rd party looks for Hasbro pricing.

All of that, plus nostalgia goggles. Seriously, take a look at the side-by-side comparisons shots of the G1 Predacons and Predaking compared with this modern redo. Anyone pretending the originals were somehow less blocky, better proportioned, or better sculpted, is lying to themselves because reality doesn't stack up to their unreasonable expectations. The ONLY thing the G1 figures were compared to these new figures is better armed.

I grew up in the 90's and never discovered him until well into the 2000's, so your 'nostalgia goggles' argument holds absolutely no water; these things are hideous. Abominus and wolfwire and all of the studio series prove hasbro can do beast-formers and beast combiners right, I expected something better looking for my money

Are you just trolling at this point? The Terrorcons have "monster" alt-modes. They get away with the way they look because they're not trying to be real animals as much as "monstrous abominations." TR Wolfwire is awesome, but isn't a combiner. There aren't any combiners so far in the Studio Series line either, and Grimlock is the only character with a beast mode, except for the non-transformable Scorponok figurine that comes with Blackout. Grimlock's beast mode is also more fantastic than faithful to a real animal, being a metallic and stylized dinosaur skeleton. So how do these things, in your mind, "prove Hasbro can do beast combiners right?"

Also, it doesn't matter if you didn't discover the original Predaking combiner until after G1. That was still your first exposure to the character and original toy, even all the way into the 2000's. You're viewing something older with undue preference over something more modern. THAT is nostalgia at work.

what a piece of scrap.

Z3ROhour wrote:what a piece of scrap.

Are you having a bad day? Or did you just commented from the news section without telling the context?

ugh, Octopunch... man... Cruddy design and just a yellow circle for where yet more disappointingly crappy misuse of the Pretender characters. Toyhax could probably make a sticker of a black circle with some white teeth showing I suppose but then would have to be part some larger sticker set to make it worthwhile them doing. Maybe I'll have to wait another 30 years or so before Hasbro attempt something good and progressive with the concept. I'd like them to work like this thing which manages to do the Pretender type concept but with high articulation TWICE OVER. http://bravefortress.com/gallery/soul-o ... -baikanfu/

Already said several times how I feel about that blocky crud that is the Predacons so won't bother again except I kinda just did very briefly but yeah.