*looks at thread* Oy vey.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Being a PRIME fan, I found out that the version in Japan is totally different than here. As in the fact that if this was Japanese first, they would have placed Hot Shot in the team while trying to make him a "friendly marketable character for those who both buy the toys and play with them"... Versus here, where they took portions of how G1 was structured, and made it better.
So, what you're saying is that, if the show had been a Japanese creation instead of an american one, hot shot would have been an in-show character from the get-go instead of being a toy-only character? When was that said? And from whom?
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Here you ignorantly condescend me instead of talking to me as a fan who said that he has been following said franchise since the 1980s.
How is that condescending? All I said was that Prime isn't a G1 series.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:If you bothered knowing me, you would know that all he needed to do is just make the clarification with the reason that a lot of G1 fans still call Rodimus "Hot Rod" for their own reasons... Hence the misunderstanding that would have me thank him for clearing that up, and other friendly stuff.
Well, that's between you two.
Though, I know G1 fans still call G1 Rodimus "Hot Rod", but this is about Prime/Aligned, which would imply a Prime/Aligned Hot Rod, which is a role already taken by Prime/Aligned Hot Shot.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:You would have known that I have played the game, and watched the entire series. However, you would also have known that there are continuity errors when you try to put the three together. Hence why I dismissed it as being "one big continuity"... And not the fact that it is excellent material for their own continuities.
Oh, I know of the whole issue between the discrepancies between the games and show, but those are being rectified by the higher ups as we speak.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:(FYI, I also said that Hasbro would be smart to tie the Generations line to the novel, as in maybe getting fans of that line be interested in the book. That, and allow the author to create his own timeline for Hasbro in the process.)
Hmmm. Interesting thought. Though, technically the Generations line already kinda is tied to the novels, as the toyline contains toys of the characters from the video games, several of which are featured characters in the novels. so it already wraps up nicely.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:However, you fall back onto the continuity errors. Such as the fact that in the game, he was known as Optimus before he became Optimus Prime. Yet, Ratchet stated that before he became Optimus Prime, he was Orion Pax. And in the book, it talked about Sentinel Prime... Yet the game only mentioned Zeta Prime. Hasbro tried clarifying this in 2010 by claiming that his name was actually "Sentinel Zeta Prime."
The Sentinel Zeta Prime thing does fix that, yes, and was further clarified in the Transformers Vault book, which stated that the "Sentinel" part is a title instead of a name. So, in the novel Zeta being referred to as "Sentinel Prime" would be akin to one referring to Optimus Prime as "Commander Prime" or something (since Optimus is "Autobot Commander" and all).
Though, Fall of Cybertron reveals that WFC Optimus was indeed named "Orion Pax" prior to the first game, as Teletraan-1 calls him that before correcting itself.
And the War for Cybertron comic showed how WFC Orion Pax became Optimus Prime when he and Megatron appeared before the High Council.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Not according to the official timeline that is posted in TFwiki.
The timeline states that the series happens before PRIME, not during. As in the events tied to the series happen between "After the Great Exodus" and the arrival of both Team Prime and the Decepticons.
I am the one who wrote all that Rescue Bots info in that
TFWiki Aligned timeline article.
Look under the "Present day" section near the bottom of that page. About four paragraphs down is a line of text that reads:
At some unspecified time, Optimus Prime sets up a team of Rescue Bots on Griffin Rock, in which they live with a local family to better understand humanity and serve as their protectors.
That is where episode 1 of Rescue Bots takes place, during the present day events of Transformers: Prime.
The reason it uses the word "unspecified" (and the reason there's no further present day info for the show) is because the folks at TFWiki (including myself) have yet to figure out how to wrap around the events of the Rescue Bots cartoon in relation to the Prime cartoon. so we're waiting for further official clarification before proceeding.
However, any past event info the show tells us is okay to be inserted since it does not effect the present day events to that great an extent, which is why most of the Rescue Bots info in that timeline is stuff that happened in the times before the show's beginning.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Which, by the way, makes me want to watch Rescue Robots now.
Cool! It's well worth checking out. I recommend it highly.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:A lot of disregard for the facts and fandom here, Sabrblade. Such as the fact that The Transformers was Hasbro's baby from the beginning. The only series they they were not involved with, however, were the series Toei solely worked on... Car Robots (Robots in Disguise)... AND both Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo.
Um... what does any of that have to do with the Aligned continuity?
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh... And in terms of fandom, my understanding is that if it is a Transformers series/timeline/product/etc. here, it should matter regardless of our preferences here. Or did I not get that memo between the time that the Heavy Wars game burnt me out while the Unicron Trilogy bored me... And the time I wanted to join, even though I was going to join once I obtained my 10th Transformer? (Which, ironically, turned out to be Sky Lynx.)
Still confused.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And I quote... "Okay, well, as far as Hasbro's concerned, Hot Shot couldn't be in the Prime cartoon." His words. As in the fact that Hasbro had no intention keep their tradition alive by placing a marketable character into their series. All because he said that.
Oh. Well, in that case, I question both cases.
PrimeStriker, what makes you think Hot Shot "can't" be in the Prime cartoon?
KUMA-NIN Maximus, while I do agree that it's possible for Hot Shot to appear in the show, just because they make a toy of him does not automatically guarantee that he will be inserted into the show (they said the same about Cyberverse Ironhide). Toy-only characters exist.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Even if that is true, it doesn't explain why High Moon did not mention it at all... As it is their creation. And adds to the confusion to why they did not say anything about him being Orion Pax, either. (Again, this falls on the lap of High Moon, not Hasbro.)
High Moon was simply given a whole lot of leeway with WFC and wasn't thinking of all what else Hasbro had in store for the game's continuity.
This time, however, with Fall of Cybertron, High Moon worked much closer with Hasbro to make sure this new game fit better in the grand scheme of things.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Then again... Takara Tomy has not explained the G1 continuity error (i.e. Convoy's appearance in Beast Wars) that they included in their new G1 timeline.
What G1 continuity error about Convoy in Beast Wars?
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:So since I am
trying to respect you, I'll accept that explanation and just conclude that Prime's name change went from Orion Pax to Optimus to Optimus Prime.
(And not Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, as Ratchet explained earlier.)
Adding in the War for Cybertron comic, it kinda feels like he went from "Orion Pax" to "Optimus Prime", rejected the "Prime" part since SZP was still technically active, and then accepted the "Prime" part after SZP's death.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:"Team Magnus" was never mentioned in any portions of the series.
I know, I was just using it as a half-joking term to refer to the Wreckers, who are Ultra Magnus' team. That's all.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh, and also, based on Hasbro's history... They are most likely going to do an episode that has Ultra Magnus offer Bulkhead a position into his new team of Wreckers. Because one, they made the character. And two, it will allow the writers to show the fans the kind of Autobot Bulkhead has become ever since he joined "Team Prime."
I just meant that the current team of Wreckers aren't really together anymore, according Wheeljack. But I do like the idea of Ultra Magnus showing up to better illustrate Bulkhead's backstory.
The more I think about it, the more I feel I'm wanting Prime Ultra Magnus to be brought into this show. Maybe not necessarily as the new recruit mentioned here, but just in this show at some point.