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Overcracker wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?
I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?
But the wave 1 deluxes aren't even all new moulds, and the voyager star scream is just an upscale.
I'm not convinced the Jazz mold is new, unless it's "re-engineered" using the base figure.
Sorry, had to address. The new Jazz is a completely new mold. He has nothing from the original movie Jazz outside of transforming into a Pontiac Solstice.
Original Jazz
New Jazz
Legs are different, chest is different, arms are different. Yes he transforms in a similar fashion, because they need to follow the general transformation of the onscreen model, and they transform from the same vehicle mode to a very similar looking robot mode. But the car parts even end up in different places.
Deadput wrote:Lockdown isn't a retool of anyone this is like the stupid g2 Smokescreen to Energon Starscream or Dotm Roadbuster to Aoe Lockdown.
Just similar engineering
william-james88 wrote:Fear the latest Twincast Podcast where he and the other participants are disappointed that these aren't quite the premium line-up they're hyped up to be.
ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair some fans are ecstatic that they are just g1 with more articulation.
Quantum Surge wrote:
I don't want to sound like I'm baiting fans, but while I would agree that I would love to see the ROTF engineering be brought back, I find it a bit biased that the Studio Series line gets overly criticized in unnecessary ways while Power of the Primes is overly praised despite the toys feeling more simplistic and less detailed than the previous Generations lines (not to mention the toys becoming more like the G1s with knees; just ask Abominus and Predaking).
primalxconvoy wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.
Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )
I disagree. Nitro Zeus especially looks fine in any CHUG collection, whereas Cogman's body is a suitable host for Spike/Galen/Fortress.
I'm fact, with a slightly retooled chest and recolouring, it would make a great Nightbeat body, IMO.
I'll admit that Spike on Cogman looks pretty darn good. Though he looks most at home on Fort Max's head.
You mean Cerebros?
Overcracker wrote:Studio Series so far has not. It appears the upcoming figures may turn that around with Grimlock, Jazz and Megatron at least.
Rodimus Knight wrote:Spike was the original Small Headmaster with Fortress Maximus. Cerebros was the deluxe sized head, for lack of a better term. The Takara Bumblebee release came with a Fort Max head recolored in honor of this original concept from the states, which I still find weird for them to have done.
william-james88 wrote:Overcracker wrote:Studio Series so far has not. It appears the upcoming figures may turn that around with Grimlock, Jazz and Megatron at least.
That Megatron is also a good example of overselling something with some toys being shown at shows covered in silver paint which the final version wont have.
Rodimus Knight wrote:
On a side note, I did get Nitro over the weekend, and man it's transformation is one of the biggest pains I've had to deal with in years.
SpikeyTigertron wrote:Rodimus Knight wrote:
On a side note, I did get Nitro over the weekend, and man it's transformation is one of the biggest pains I've had to deal with in years.
Found Thundercracker at a toys r us in Sunnyvale, and the manager released it. Apparently they have a street date of April. He looks AMAZING with the Grimstone (Grimlock) titanmaster
Rodimus Knight wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.
Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )
I disagree. Nitro Zeus especially looks fine in any CHUG collection, whereas Cogman's body is a suitable host for Spike/Galen/Fortress.
I'm fact, with a slightly retooled chest and recolouring, it would make a great Nightbeat body, IMO.
I'll admit that Spike on Cogman looks pretty darn good. Though he looks most at home on Fort Max's head.
You mean Cerebros?
Spike was the original Small Headmaster with Fortress Maximus. Cerebros was the deluxe sized head, for lack of a better term. The Takara Bumblebee release came with a Fort Max head recolored in honor of this original concept from the states, which I still find weird for them to have done.
SpikeyTigertron wrote:Found Thundercracker at a toys r us in Sunnyvale, and the manager released it. Apparently they have a street date of April. He looks AMAZING with the Grimstone (Grimlock) titanmaster
william-james88 wrote:Deadput wrote:Lockdown isn't a retool of anyone this is like the stupid g2 Smokescreen to Energon Starscream or Dotm Roadbuster to Aoe Lockdown.
Just similar engineering
No one said anythng about him being a retool. But its not a smokescreen/starscream thing, that comparison no longer applies. As John Warden has said, toy development is different now. Starting with Combiner Wars, tooling is thought up and then kept to be applied to various toys. And the advancements in technology mean that the development cycle has shortened too. Now that everything is on a computer, they can select parts or tooling from one toy and apply it to another and build around it. It would be a new mold, but still based on something existing. And its all done by the same Hasbro team unlike the examples presented when its teams from different eras pulling insiration from previous toys (either intentionally or not). Now everything is intentional and planned to be reused when applicable.
william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair some fans are ecstatic that they are just g1 with more articulation.
I wish the Predacons were just G1 with better articulation. We wouldnt have that terrible back kibble, nor would Divebomb look like crap in beast mode.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Deadput wrote:Lockdown isn't a retool of anyone this is like the stupid g2 Smokescreen to Energon Starscream or Dotm Roadbuster to Aoe Lockdown.
Just similar engineering
No one said anythng about him being a retool. But its not a smokescreen/starscream thing, that comparison no longer applies. As John Warden has said, toy development is different now. Starting with Combiner Wars, tooling is thought up and then kept to be applied to various toys. And the advancements in technology mean that the development cycle has shortened too. Now that everything is on a computer, they can select parts or tooling from one toy and apply it to another and build around it. It would be a new mold, but still based on something existing. And its all done by the same Hasbro team unlike the examples presented when its teams from different eras pulling insiration from previous toys (either intentionally or not). Now everything is intentional and planned to be reused when applicable.
So basically everything is a retool now? Like Nerf blasters being all Jolt reskins?
william-james88 wrote:[q I guess we just have to get with the program and evolve with the new landscape of toy making, where similarities are intentional, planed and found all throughout, but the toys are technically all different still.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
-Kanrabat- wrote:I thought the correct term was "pre-tool".
We could come up with a new term of our own though. How about "skeleton"? The first toy release of a particular skeleton would name the new skeleton. Best example, for the "firetruck" Combiner War mold, we could say that Onslaught, Pyra Magna, and PotP Inferno have the "CW Hot-Spot skeleton".
Thoughts?
Ironhidensh wrote:william-james88 wrote:[q I guess we just have to get with the program and evolve with the new landscape of toy making, where similarities are intentional, planed and found all throughout, but the toys are technically all different still.
No, I do not have to get with the times.![]()
I'm old and stuck in my ways, and aside from favorite character and legends class (cause they be cheap), this new way of design will probably end my collecting of mainline. Line figures. Hell, it really already has.
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