The Energon Pub

[Va'al]

I'm actually really quite bored with Marvel studios by now.
As much as I'd like the Russos or Gunn to try their hand at a TF script, it's the writing I really want to see changing (I'll keep saying this, but try Pain&Gain for something Bay-looking with the same writers as pretty much all the Marvel stuff, Markus and McFeely).

This particular movie is probably the best chance at changing some of the direction we've seen so far, given that the Goldsman writers' room is involved. We'll see!

[Zeedust]

That mugshot looks like Bonecrusher to me for some reason. (Bonecrusher hates copycats. Or he would, were he not, you know, dead.)

Maybe it's not really Megatron, but just a guy they call Megatron...like Brawl being called Devastator.

Beast Wars Megatron confirmed.

Really? He didn't have his characterization screwed with enough for you back in Beast Machines?

[laserking]

I like the pic it is awesome! I think it would look good for Galvatron, I would be a little upset if the bring in Galvatron and then he goes back to Megatron! On top of that in Transformers: AOE he said " I am Galvatron"! Why would they change him back! That is something you don't do that in the Transformer world! I do like the picture for it though!

[RevTibe]

Did Age of Extinction "Galvatron" ever self-identify as Galvatron, mention it as his name, shout "I, Galvatron!" to the heavens or whatnot? Did Megatron even know that his new body had been assigned the product name "Galvatron"? Him going back to being Megatron sounds fairly straightforward.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

He did call out his name. So he did identify as Galvatron

[Sabrblade]

Both "I am Galvatron!" and "For I am reborn," were lines that were spoken by Galvatron onscreen in the AOE movie.

[RevTibe]

He did call out his name. So he did identify as Galvatron

Thanks! Kind of a shame - if he hadn't, I could hug my optimism real tight and act like there was a firm concept of a Galva/Megatron multi-movie character arc planned out when AoE was written. Still, fairly easy to justify him ditching his product name.

[Autobot N]

He did call out his name. So he did identify as Galvatron

Maybe he's name-fluid, so now he's self-identifying as Megatron.

[SlyTF1]

This is the first piece of TF related news that doesn't have me absolutely ecstatic. It's cool and all, but Megatron/Galvatron's return was guaranteed. The face looks weird too. Not bad, but I just can't bring myself to give a damn about it. Call me when there's a full body CGI rendering of the new Megatron design, then we'll have something to talk about.

[SlyTF1]

He did call out his name. So he did identify as Galvatron

Thanks! Kind of a shame - if he hadn't, I could hug my optimism real tight and act like their was a firm concept of a Galva/Megatron multi-movie character arc planned out when AoE was written. Still, fairly easy to justify him ditching his product name.

I'm pretty sure they had the Galvatron arc planned out before DOTM. Maybe even in ROTF. Megatron got a hole blown in his head at the end of ROTF, only to come back in DOTM with a bunch of insect-like doctor robots poking around in his head. I think they were there to backup his memories, his personality, everything. At the end of DOTM, Megatron's line "Who would you be without me, Prime?" at first sounds like he's trying persuade Optimus to spare him, but you could also read into it as a challenge. Megatron was challenging Optimus to kill him, because he knew Optimus would never settle for him leading Cybertron.

Jump to AOE, where the Insecticons are the ones transferring Megatron's consciousness into KSI's prototype. They're not the same as the doctor bots from DOTM, who were backing up his consciousness, but who says they can't share the same purpose? Who said those things weren't in Megatron's head as well, when he had an open wound?

[RevTibe]

He did call out his name. So he did identify as Galvatron

Thanks! Kind of a shame - if he hadn't, I could hug my optimism real tight and act like their was a firm concept of a Galva/Megatron multi-movie character arc planned out when AoE was written. Still, fairly easy to justify him ditching his product name.

I'm pretty sure they had the Galvatron arc planned out before DOTM. Maybe even in ROTF. Megatron got a hole blown in his head at the end of ROTF, only to come back in DOTM with a bunch of insect-like doctor robots poking around in his head. I think they were there to backup his memories, his personality, everything. At the end of DOTM, Megatron's line "Who would you be without me, Prime?" at first sounds like he's trying persuade Optimus to spare him, but you could also read into it as a challenge. Megatron was challenging Optimus to kill him, because he knew Optimus would never settle for him leading Cybertron.

Jump to AOE, where the Insecticons are the ones transferring Megatron's consciousness into KSI's prototype. They're not the same as the doctor bots from DOTM, who were backing up his consciousness, but who says they can't share the same purpose? Who said those things weren't in Megatron's head as well, when he had an open wound?

I kinda doubt that, particularly because of the "Who would you be without me, Prime?" moment. Until very, very late in production, Megatron's offer of partnership was completely sincere, Optimus Prime accepts, and Megatron + Decepticons willingly leave Earth to rebuild Cybertron with their own hands. That's even the ending that was used for the novel/comic adaptations of Dark of the Moon - it was the plan until very late in the game.

That definitely precludes the arc being planned out in RotF, and makes it highly unlikely they had it in mind when writing DotM.

[SlyTF1]

He did call out his name. So he did identify as Galvatron

Thanks! Kind of a shame - if he hadn't, I could hug my optimism real tight and act like their was a firm concept of a Galva/Megatron multi-movie character arc planned out when AoE was written. Still, fairly easy to justify him ditching his product name.

I'm pretty sure they had the Galvatron arc planned out before DOTM. Maybe even in ROTF. Megatron got a hole blown in his head at the end of ROTF, only to come back in DOTM with a bunch of insect-like doctor robots poking around in his head. I think they were there to backup his memories, his personality, everything. At the end of DOTM, Megatron's line "Who would you be without me, Prime?" at first sounds like he's trying persuade Optimus to spare him, but you could also read into it as a challenge. Megatron was challenging Optimus to kill him, because he knew Optimus would never settle for him leading Cybertron.

Jump to AOE, where the Insecticons are the ones transferring Megatron's consciousness into KSI's prototype. They're not the same as the doctor bots from DOTM, who were backing up his consciousness, but who says they can't share the same purpose? Who said those things weren't in Megatron's head as well, when he had an open wound?

I kinda doubt that, particularly because of the "Who would you be without me, Prime?" moment. Until very, very late in production, Megatron's offer of partnership was completely sincere, Optimus Prime accepts, and Megatron + Decepticons willingly leave Earth to rebuild Cybertron with their own hands. That's even the ending that was used for the novel/comic adaptations of Dark of the Moon - it was the plan until very late in the game.

That definitely precludes the arc being planned out in RotF, and makes it highly unlikely they had it in mind when writing DotM.

That doesn't mean they didn't plan it out when they rewrote the ending of DOTM. What if that's what caused them to rewrite it?

[Hellscream9999]

He did call out his name. So he did identify as Galvatron

Thanks! Kind of a shame - if he hadn't, I could hug my optimism real tight and act like their was a firm concept of a Galva/Megatron multi-movie character arc planned out when AoE was written. Still, fairly easy to justify him ditching his product name.

I'm pretty sure they had the Galvatron arc planned out before DOTM. Maybe even in ROTF. Megatron got a hole blown in his head at the end of ROTF, only to come back in DOTM with a bunch of insect-like doctor robots poking around in his head. I think they were there to backup his memories, his personality, everything. At the end of DOTM, Megatron's line "Who would you be without me, Prime?" at first sounds like he's trying persuade Optimus to spare him, but you could also read into it as a challenge. Megatron was challenging Optimus to kill him, because he knew Optimus would never settle for him leading Cybertron.

Jump to AOE, where the Insecticons are the ones transferring Megatron's consciousness into KSI's prototype. They're not the same as the doctor bots from DOTM, who were backing up his consciousness, but who says they can't share the same purpose? Who said those things weren't in Megatron's head as well, when he had an open wound?

I kinda doubt that, particularly because of the "Who would you be without me, Prime?" moment. Until very, very late in production, Megatron's offer of partnership was completely sincere, Optimus Prime accepts, and Megatron + Decepticons willingly leave Earth to rebuild Cybertron with their own hands. That's even the ending that was used for the novel/comic adaptations of Dark of the Moon - it was the plan until very late in the game.

That definitely precludes the arc being planned out in RotF, and makes it highly unlikely they had it in mind when writing DotM.

That doesn't mean they didn't plan it out when they rewrote the ending of DOTM. What if that's what caused them to rewrite it?

Based on the woeful writing, I am fairly certain they didn't have anything (over-arking wise) planned out. As best as I can tell, they just take singularities, bits and pieces of tf lore (the fallen and primes) (allspark) (the ark and space bridge tech) (the dinobots and lockdown) and then craft a movie around it; only towards the end of aoe with the hint of the quints did I think that they were starting to build towards future movies/plots (and a line of dialogue is hardly analogous to a 'planned ark')

[Rodimus Prime]

Those look like mechanical mandibles. So the bad guy will be a mechanical Predator, even if it's called Megatron?

[SW's SilverHammer]

You know what, i'm just going to ignore the entire continuity clusterfuk that is the movie-verse, and hope that filming in cuba means that (outside of tax breaks) hasbro will make a few more movie figures based on vintage alt modes.

[Mr Skram]

For some reason, that face kinda looks like Ultron to me.

The universe has expanded too far! ABORT ABORT

Unless...

Hail Megatron.

[Bradimus]

I wonder how they'll kill him and then bring him back from the dead immediately afterward this time!

Seriously, though -- I much prefer the first movie's design for Megatron over this one. Much more menacing, and you can see more Megatron influences. Even though the second movie had something that resembled a Fusion Cannon, the first movie was much cooler. And he also had a reason to be able to fly seeing as he was a jet. XD But this version is... Well, it just looks weird, and I usually like the Bay designs. Maybe it's the fact that he has friggin' mandibles instead of a normal face.

(Also, as a side note, I just realized that ROTF Megatron basically turns into the Landmaster from Star Fox. They're both flying tanks.)

But what kills me is that Galvatron had only one movie where he did... Something? He gets one movie and then that's it? He didn't even really do anything. That's like if after Anakin became Darth Vader, was Vader for a day and then went like "Nah, man, I like being Anakin still."

Now, this is all assuming that Megatron is going to be pulled out of Galvatron somehow or simply reformatted. If, say, a mad scientist (perhaps even the Quintessions) decided to build their own version of him, they could have both in the same universe as different characters. Kind of like what IDW did with Galvatron, except not.

Galvatron was just the name that the humans at ksi named him so it's possible he went back to Megatron due to his disgust of humanity.
Plus Aoe Galvatron was just a clone in a sense so we could have an idw situation and have both Megatron and Galvatron.

Well, it wasn't a clone, it was Megatron, in a new body, his old body was pretty f'ed up by the end of dotm, so starting fresh with the body the humans gave him to start reformatting himself makes sense. In other words, they need the BW Stasis Chambers

You do know he only copied his conscious into the Galvatron body and not actually got a new body right?


His old head is still alive and functional especially since he got resurrected by the allspark and adsorbed it's energy in ROTF which should probably have some side effects.

To answer Sideways' question using Deadput's reminder of Megatron's AllSpark resurrection: Could Megatron now be like G1 Starscream, some sort of immortal spark?

My only issue with this would be that Bumblebee should have been able to speak immediately after making contact with the AllSpark, did speak at the tend of the Battle of Mission City, and then didn't speak again. So why did the AllSpark work for Frenzy and Megatron but not Bee? Does it only work on Decepticons?

[#Sideways#]

I wonder how they'll kill him and then bring him back from the dead immediately afterward this time!

Seriously, though -- I much prefer the first movie's design for Megatron over this one. Much more menacing, and you can see more Megatron influences. Even though the second movie had something that resembled a Fusion Cannon, the first movie was much cooler. And he also had a reason to be able to fly seeing as he was a jet. XD But this version is... Well, it just looks weird, and I usually like the Bay designs. Maybe it's the fact that he has friggin' mandibles instead of a normal face.

(Also, as a side note, I just realized that ROTF Megatron basically turns into the Landmaster from Star Fox. They're both flying tanks.)

But what kills me is that Galvatron had only one movie where he did... Something? He gets one movie and then that's it? He didn't even really do anything. That's like if after Anakin became Darth Vader, was Vader for a day and then went like "Nah, man, I like being Anakin still."

Now, this is all assuming that Megatron is going to be pulled out of Galvatron somehow or simply reformatted. If, say, a mad scientist (perhaps even the Quintessions) decided to build their own version of him, they could have both in the same universe as different characters. Kind of like what IDW did with Galvatron, except not.

Or it's the same guy going by his old name I certainly would go back to being named Brendan if I was cloned as a dude named David.



Also how can you tell this design is awful when it's only a small glimpse at his face especially when your talking about how the worst design in the movieverse actually looks like Megatron you know the design that looks like a walking junkpile and this is coming from someone who likes the movie designs as a whole.

Didn't Galvatron name himself? Those scientists were trying to build another Optimus, but Galvatron popped out instead and announced his name whilst fighting Prime that one time, much to the scientist's surprise. Especially since the machine that they built wasn't supposed to have a personality. I could be mistaken, though; the movie came out a couple of years ago.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm mistaken. But still -- I thought he accepted his new name...

I'm just saying that, from what we see here, that the design isn't as good as others have been as far as the face goes. Just in the general facial area, it's a bit worse than other designs for Megatron that we've seen throughout the other movies. They've all been Megatron-y or you can see some Megatron influences, but this one just isn't. It's more Waspinator-y than anything else. Even the third iteration of Megatron was super cool with that cloak and scarred face, even though he just acted like a tired old man the whole time.

[Sabrblade]

Regarding Megatron's/Galvatron's state of living, I'll quote what I said in my original review of the AOE movie:

Soon it’s only Optimus who’s left (since Bee got left behind back at the bridge) to fight Galvatron alone. He ejects the humans, transforms, and engages Galvatron. And here we get one of the most confusing aspects of the whole movie. Optimus yells at Galvatron and, in disgust of Galvatron’s artificial existence, declares “You have no soul!” Galvatron responds in ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of Prime’s declaration with “That is why I have no fear!” Ever since the talk Optimus had with Cade about sparks, Optimus has taken to referring to sparks as souls in a synonymous manner. As Galvatron was created by humans who, as far as we can tell from this movie, have NO access to any life-giving power sources like the AllSpark or the Matrix, Optimus is appalled by Galvatron’s artificial existence and calls him out on it. Rather than proving Prime wrong by pointing out the contrary, Galvatron expresses AGREEMENT with Prime’s statement and twists its meaning to being in his favor. Meaning that Galvatron himself recognizes that he has no spark of his own.

YET, Galvatron is obviously alive in this movie. He has a mind of his own, a will of his own, and shows all the necessary signs of a Transformer being alive. He even expresses a willing desire to kill Optimus (“You die!”) despite KSI’s intentions being to subdue and capture Optimus for Attinger to hand over to Lockdown. The problem with all that is that he reaffirms the statement of his lacking a spark, meaning that if he has no spark, he shouldn’t be alive. Yet, here he is, alive and well. And clearly still has that big gaping hole in his chest, as evidenced by how easily Prime’s sword goes into and comes out of it.

Now, before anyone brings up the few post-1996 cases in which a Transformer was alive without a spark, those were all very special cases, in which a supernatural force or substance that could be substituted for a spark did indeed take the place of any missing spark. Or, they were cases of the life simply being a low-tech imitation of actual life, like for drones and such. But as far as this movie tells us, there is none of that going on here. No Dark Energon. No AllSpark fragments, no Angolmois, no divine intervention, nothing. Nor is Galvatron as simple-minded as a drone. What we have here is just human-made technology born of worldly science (as stated by Joshua’s previous “What we do here, is science,” line), lacking the power to create life from lifelessness. And as far as we can see, KSI was NOT trying to create life from lifelessness. They were trying to create remote-controlled automatons designed specifically to be commanded/controlled/operated by humans. Yet, what they got instead was a fully living, fully sentient, autonomous super robot lifeform. By accident.

And YES, I know about Megatron’s head being involved here. I WILL be getting to that later.

When Bee and the humans regroup with the other Autobots at a train yard, their time of momentary victory is squandered by exposition of MORE bad news (as if their situation wasn’t already bad enough in this movie). Switching back to Storyline B again, the Bots explain Galvatron’s true nature:

Optimus: “You humans… After all we have done… you don’t know what you’ve wrought upon yourselves.”

Cade: “What?! What is it now? What are you talking about? I mean, I’m doing stuff out of my league, here?!”

Optimus: You don’t see who’s controlling who. Within that manmade prototype I fought, I sensed the presence… of Megatron.”

Cade: “What, the Decepticon who started the Chicago war?”

Brains: “How’dya think KSI built those bots in the first place, hmm? They had a whole mess o’ dead Decepticon heads, and they were downloadin’ their minds! And I was in charge o’ autopsy duty. No union, no benefits, no nuthin’. They hooked me up to Megatron, and that mind wasn’t as dead as they thought. He fed ‘em the science and specs, all so they could build him a brand new body! Then, he infected it, with his evil nasty chromosomes. That red beady eye, hoo, got all’a them a lovely lots, oh I can smell it right now! Total inside custom job! KSI might’a named the body the snappy name of ‘Galvatron’, but that’s just Megatron reincarnated.”

Tessa: “You knew this and you didn’t warn them?”

Brains: “Little girl, you can go to a pretty dark place when you on death row. He’s been playin’ KSI all this time, all so that he could manipulate ‘em into goin’ after the Seed.”

Remember when I said I’d get into Megatron’s head later? (No, not like that!) It is now ‘later’ and I’m going in. (Stop thinking like that!)

HOW in the world is Megatron’s head still alive? I’ve already expressed how KSI has no means to give life to lifelessness, so they couldn’t have kept the head alive. In order for it to still be alive, it’d need a spark or a “spark substitute substance” (Dark Energon, AllSpark fragment, etc.), but we’re giving nothing to from this movie to understand how it’s alive. Back when Megatron was resurrected in ROTF, the AllSpark fragment was inserted into the Spark Chamber in his chest, and then Optimus tore Megatron’s head off its body in DOTM. So with the head no longer connected to the body, it should have been cut off from the power of the AllSpark fragment, right? After all, that fragment was all that was powering Megatron after the AllSpark did what it did to Megatron’s spark in the first movie. So now that the body is gone, it would stand to reason that the head is cut off from its only source of life and should not still be alive. But if there was some residual AllSpark energy within the head, would it have killed the movie to have told us this? It really would have saved us so much grief and debate over all this if it had.

What’s more is that it was previously acknowledged that Galvatron has no spark, so Megatron’s head didn’t give him one, which just further begs the question of how Galvatron is even alive without a spark or a “spark substitute substance”. After all, Optimus said that the spark contains both the lifeforce and the memories (which are aspects of the mind) of a Transformer, so without a spark, it stands to reason that Galvatron ought to be mindless. Same goes for Megatron’s head. Lacking a spark means it shouldn’t have a mind that KSI could download info from. Likewise with any other “dead Decepticon heads” KSI has. No soul = no spark = no mind.

And frankly, after the way Megatron behaved so apathetically and indifferently in the last movie, I can’t really see him wanting to come back to life and try yet again to conquer the world for the fourth time now, let alone go through this elaborate plan of playing Possum just to get a whole new body. In DOTM, Megatron was tired, sick of the conflict, and ready to give up after Sentinel had pretty much taken the spotlight away from him. Only after some harsh words of motivation from Carly climbing on him (something he likely would have never let any human do in the first two films) did he decide to get off his butt and do something. And the first thing he did was save Optimus (and also get back at Sentinel) and ask for a truce with his old authority job back, instead of trying to dominate everyone by brute force. He chose a diplomatic approach (if a bit skewed in his favor) over going with a more violent approach to get what he wanted. He was done with the fighting and seemed to want to retire from it, while naturally still wanting to be in charge. And even though he didn’t get what he wanted, his being killed still got him out of the fight, granting him peace at last. So I really can’t see him wanting to be rebuilt here just so he could try one more time to take over the world through force after having grown past all that.

[SlyTF1]

What if Megatron's just wearing a face plate in that picture? Optimus was wearing his in the poster they put out for him. What if they just decided to give Megatron one?

[Deadput]

Sabr the shared was planted into his face in rotf you clearly see his teeth and other face parts in the scene.

[Sabrblade]

What if Megatron's just wearing a face plate in that picture? Optimus was wearing his in the poster they put out for him. What if they just decided to give Megatron one?

If it is Megatron, that is.

[Sabrblade]

Sabr the shared was planted into his face in rotf you clearly see his teeth and other face parts in the scene.

No, those were not his teeth. His teeth were not that prominently huge. When his body stirs after having the shard put into him, the faraway shot shows a brighter-than-all-other glows light coming from his chest. Though Long Haul shines his own spotlight on that area of Megatron's body, as Long Haul momentarily pulls his light away from Megatron, the glow on Megatron's chest remains where it is.

[ZeroWolf]

This whole megatron thing is going to lead to all sorts of fun things before the movies release isn't it.

For now though I think I'll just accept it as is and just move on.

[SlyTF1]

This whole megatron thing is going to lead to all sorts of fun things before the movies release isn't it.

For now though I think I'll just accept it as is and just move on.

That's where I'm at. I don't understand how people can be confused by this. It's just Megatron. Just accept the fact that he probably changed his name again.