The Energon Pub

[Jeddostotle7]

Michael bay didn't sneak in 200 cast and crew and shoot what they needed before security chased them off the property. They have permission and if the owners and everyone affiliated with shooting there are okay with it than maybe people need to stop complaining.

Just because they had permission from the current owners of the castle doesn't mean the owners of the castle weren't making a mistake.

[Randomhero]

Michael bay didn't sneak in 200 cast and crew and shoot what they needed before security chased them off the property. They have permission and if the owners and everyone affiliated with shooting there are okay with it than maybe people need to stop complaining.

Just because they had permission from the current owners of the castle doesn't mean the owners of the castle weren't making a mistake.

Considering they're the owners and its their heritage and theyre allowing it, they have complete right to and as I've said so many times they had to approve it by reading the script. Something you and everyone else here acting all sensitive hasn't done.

[Quantum Surge]

Not sure if he's up to something interesting or it's just a standard Bay excuse. This film gets weirder and weirder the more I think of it.

[SlyTF1]

I hate how people get mad about everything. Has this decision threatened the end of the world? No? Then get over it.

[UltraPrimal]

This reminds me of the Justin Beiber and Anne Frank thing.

[It Is Him]

I hate how people get mad about everything. Has this decision threatened the end of the world? No? Then get over it.

No. Failing to understand why people are offended and shocked by this doesn't give your the right to dismiss the problem.

[budmaloney]

To go and put the Nazi flag on the home of Churchill...well in bird culture that's considered a dick move. It doesn't matter if it's a movie or if the owners approved of it or even if Churchill is a hero in the movie. The act itself desecrates the antithesis to the Nazis. It's arrogant and insulting to the British people.

It feels to me like a child who wants to challenge everything anyone ever liked.
"oh you like Devastator? I'll make him look completely different, so weak and give him wrecking balls"
"oh you like Optimus Prime? I'll make him go against every single hero trait that made you like him in the first place"
"Dinobots? Not even gonna say a single word"
"Decepticons? I'll kill them all."

It's the same style. Sure freedom of speech and all, and it can be considered an over reaction, but the dude just doesn't respect these things. And when he disrespects things , people are gonna get angry about it. People overreacted when Ironhide wasn't red, what do you think they'll do when he puts a freaking Nazi flag on Churchill's house?

I'm not hating, but Bay's actions speak for themselves.

[Bronzewolf]

That doesn't really help. You don't get to just do something like this and then say "Oh no it's okay because I done this nice thing for him in exchange!!!"
There's absolutely no good reason to specifically use his home for this. None at all.

People are talking like Michael Bay is just doing what he wants, regardless of what others think. But he 'obviously' had permission from the owners (having told them what he planned to do).

Plus this isn't the first time that someone was making a film and used a famous building for a Nazi scene, causing an uproar from others.

But this film, like others in the past is a a 'work of fiction' and should be treated as such.

Talk about over-reaction.

THANK YOU!!!

exactly what I said yesterday. It's not all Michael bay,, its the producers, the studios, the country, and the owners of the house.

In order to shoot somewhere like that, the script is read multiple times over the span of weeks, has to be approved and there are consultants ON SET to make sure it's done right.


This the not the first move to shoot nazi locations in England. All the nazi scenes and locations like the nazi rally and the castles in indiana jones and the last crusade were all shot in England and at historical locations. That's were a lot of WWII stuff is shot not because it takes place in the U.K. but because it has that feeling(castles, historical looking buildings, etc.

People need to get off the offended train and if you say "I'm not offended, I'm just uncomfortable with this" or "I'm just not okay with this" news flash you just described being offended

You guys are missing the point of why people are getting mad. It's not that it's just any castle in England; it's that, for some unknown reason, they decided to specifically use Winston Churchill's home, A.K.A. one of the people who fought hardest against Hitler, as the place to turn into a Nazi castle. Not just any place, WINSTONE CHURCHILL's. You gotta be able to agree that that's at least in poor taste, right?

Michael bay didn't sneak in 200 cast and crew and shoot what they needed before security chased them off the property. They have permission and if the owners and everyone affiliated with shooting there are okay with it than maybe people need to stop complaining.

Alright, alright. It's gettin' a bit too heated here. Please be repectful of the fact that everyone has a right to an opinion. Thanks!

[Sabrblade]

I hate how people get mad about everything. Has this decision threatened the end of the world? No? Then get over it.

Seems like people getting mad is making yourself mad, yes? Well, their decision to get mad isn't threatening to end the world either, so by your own reasoning, you yourself must get over that.

[Deadput]

I'm not hating, but Bay's actions speak for themselves.

Yeah and the overreacting fans actions also speak for themselves.


This place is a bunch of bull.

[Deadput]

Alright, alright. It's gettin' a bit too heated here. Please be repectful of the fact that everyone has a right to an opinion. Thanks!

Considering what kind of news this subject in everything is going to get heated.

What else was going to happen?

[Bronzewolf]

Alright, alright. It's gettin' a bit too heated here. Please be repectful of the fact that everyone has a right to an opinion. Thanks!

Considering what kind of news this subject in everything is going to get heated.

What else was going to happen?

I understand this was guaranteed to be a touchy subject (heck, I even fell pray to it.), I just ask that we all respect the fact that other people can have a differing opinion. We can discuss things in a civil manor, correct? Thank you.

[Randomhero]

That doesn't really help. You don't get to just do something like this and then say "Oh no it's okay because I done this nice thing for him in exchange!!!"
There's absolutely no good reason to specifically use his home for this. None at all.

People are talking like Michael Bay is just doing what he wants, regardless of what others think. But he 'obviously' had permission from the owners (having told them what he planned to do).

Plus this isn't the first time that someone was making a film and used a famous building for a Nazi scene, causing an uproar from others.

But this film, like others in the past is a a 'work of fiction' and should be treated as such.

Talk about over-reaction.

THANK YOU!!!

exactly what I said yesterday. It's not all Michael bay,, its the producers, the studios, the country, and the owners of the house.

In order to shoot somewhere like that, the script is read multiple times over the span of weeks, has to be approved and there are consultants ON SET to make sure it's done right.


This the not the first move to shoot nazi locations in England. All the nazi scenes and locations like the nazi rally and the castles in indiana jones and the last crusade were all shot in England and at historical locations. That's were a lot of WWII stuff is shot not because it takes place in the U.K. but because it has that feeling(castles, historical looking buildings, etc.

People need to get off the offended train and if you say "I'm not offended, I'm just uncomfortable with this" or "I'm just not okay with this" news flash you just described being offended

You guys are missing the point of why people are getting mad. It's not that it's just any castle in England; it's that, for some unknown reason, they decided to specifically use Winston Churchill's home, A.K.A. one of the people who fought hardest against Hitler, as the place to turn into a Nazi castle. Not just any place, WINSTONE CHURCHILL's. You gotta be able to agree that that's at least in poor taste, right?

Michael bay didn't sneak in 200 cast and crew and shoot what they needed before security chased them off the property. They have permission and if the owners and everyone affiliated with shooting there are okay with it than maybe people need to stop complaining.

Alright, alright. It's gettin' a bit too heated here. Please be repectful of the fact that everyone has a right to an opinion. Thanks!

Everyone also has the right to grow some common sense and think about the situation at hand before pointing fingers and yelling "poor tatste! Poor taste!" Before jumping to rediculous conclusions and throwing in their two cents,just think about what it takes to make a movie and shoot at certain locations.

[Bronzewolf]

That doesn't really help. You don't get to just do something like this and then say "Oh no it's okay because I done this nice thing for him in exchange!!!"
There's absolutely no good reason to specifically use his home for this. None at all.

People are talking like Michael Bay is just doing what he wants, regardless of what others think. But he 'obviously' had permission from the owners (having told them what he planned to do).

Plus this isn't the first time that someone was making a film and used a famous building for a Nazi scene, causing an uproar from others.

But this film, like others in the past is a a 'work of fiction' and should be treated as such.

Talk about over-reaction.

THANK YOU!!!

exactly what I said yesterday. It's not all Michael bay,, its the producers, the studios, the country, and the owners of the house.

In order to shoot somewhere like that, the script is read multiple times over the span of weeks, has to be approved and there are consultants ON SET to make sure it's done right.


This the not the first move to shoot nazi locations in England. All the nazi scenes and locations like the nazi rally and the castles in indiana jones and the last crusade were all shot in England and at historical locations. That's were a lot of WWII stuff is shot not because it takes place in the U.K. but because it has that feeling(castles, historical looking buildings, etc.

People need to get off the offended train and if you say "I'm not offended, I'm just uncomfortable with this" or "I'm just not okay with this" news flash you just described being offended

You guys are missing the point of why people are getting mad. It's not that it's just any castle in England; it's that, for some unknown reason, they decided to specifically use Winston Churchill's home, A.K.A. one of the people who fought hardest against Hitler, as the place to turn into a Nazi castle. Not just any place, WINSTONE CHURCHILL's. You gotta be able to agree that that's at least in poor taste, right?

Michael bay didn't sneak in 200 cast and crew and shoot what they needed before security chased them off the property. They have permission and if the owners and everyone affiliated with shooting there are okay with it than maybe people need to stop complaining.

Alright, alright. It's gettin' a bit too heated here. Please be repectful of the fact that everyone has a right to an opinion. Thanks!

Everyone also has the right to grow some common sense and think about the situation at hand before pointing fingers and yelling "poor tatste! Poor taste!" Before jumping to rediculous conclusions and throwing in their two cents,just think about what it takes to make a movie and shoot at certain locations.

Okay enough! Second warning. Tone down the aggression, please.

[Deadput]

Maybe we should block comments until this cools down in a couple days or different news pops up.


There are plenty of car pics on instagram right now with Bee, Crosshairs, Hound, Hot Rod, Cogman and the red McLaren.

[Randomhero]

That doesn't really help. You don't get to just do something like this and then say "Oh no it's okay because I done this nice thing for him in exchange!!!"
There's absolutely no good reason to specifically use his home for this. None at all.

People are talking like Michael Bay is just doing what he wants, regardless of what others think. But he 'obviously' had permission from the owners (having told them what he planned to do).

Plus this isn't the first time that someone was making a film and used a famous building for a Nazi scene, causing an uproar from others.

But this film, like others in the past is a a 'work of fiction' and should be treated as such.

Talk about over-reaction.

THANK YOU!!!

exactly what I said yesterday. It's not all Michael bay,, its the producers, the studios, the country, and the owners of the house.

In order to shoot somewhere like that, the script is read multiple times over the span of weeks, has to be approved and there are consultants ON SET to make sure it's done right.


This the not the first move to shoot nazi locations in England. All the nazi scenes and locations like the nazi rally and the castles in indiana jones and the last crusade were all shot in England and at historical locations. That's were a lot of WWII stuff is shot not because it takes place in the U.K. but because it has that feeling(castles, historical looking buildings, etc.

People need to get off the offended train and if you say "I'm not offended, I'm just uncomfortable with this" or "I'm just not okay with this" news flash you just described being offended

You guys are missing the point of why people are getting mad. It's not that it's just any castle in England; it's that, for some unknown reason, they decided to specifically use Winston Churchill's home, A.K.A. one of the people who fought hardest against Hitler, as the place to turn into a Nazi castle. Not just any place, WINSTONE CHURCHILL's. You gotta be able to agree that that's at least in poor taste, right?

Michael bay didn't sneak in 200 cast and crew and shoot what they needed before security chased them off the property. They have permission and if the owners and everyone affiliated with shooting there are okay with it than maybe people need to stop complaining.

Alright, alright. It's gettin' a bit too heated here. Please be repectful of the fact that everyone has a right to an opinion. Thanks!

Everyone also has the right to grow some common sense and think about the situation at hand before pointing fingers and yelling "poor tatste! Poor taste!" Before jumping to rediculous conclusions and throwing in their two cents,just think about what it takes to make a movie and shoot at certain locations.

Okay enough! Second warning. Tone down the aggression, please.

sorry once again i forgot this is Seibertron.com where you can insult Michael bay, call him any name in the book, accuse him of of terrible things, make ridiculous claims while he doesn't a voice here to defend himself and be all hunky dory but the second someone steps in and plays devils advocate and tells people knock it off and use common sense and stop being so damn close minded and do some actual research on a topic, you get put in your place.

Kudos man, kudos.

[SlyTF1]

I hate how people get mad about everything. Has this decision threatened the end of the world? No? Then get over it.

Seems like people getting mad is making yourself mad, yes? Well, their decision to get mad isn't threatening to end the world either, so by your own reasoning, you yourself must get over that.

I can't get over something I was never mad at to begin with. I just think it's stupid.

[EunuchRon]

If Nazis had invaded England, they'd have totally done that. So... if the movie has Nazis invading England, then they'd have to show that, right? I mean, what would happen if that was real? I played a video game where Nazis invaded America and took over the white house. It had Nazi flags all over it, and you ended up having to shoot the president. It's all fiction! Too many people getting butthurt over fiction. Hey, maybe Churchill shoots the Nazis with a Tommy Gun and gets his house back in the flick. Wouldn't that be cool? I think he'd approve of that.

[Sabrblade]

Here's a different side of the story. Bay claims that Churchill is going to be a hero in this movie. This is our first confirmation that Winston Churchill is going to be a character in this movie, right? Well, who's going to play him?

I have one idea. We know that Anthony Hopkins is in this movie, but we don't know who he's playing. All we know is that his character, based on the video featuring him and Britain's Loneliest Dog, appears to be a British man dressed in old-timey clothing and owning a dog. Well, what if he's actually playing Churchill himself?

[Hellscream9999]

If Nazis had invaded England, they'd have totally done that. So... if the movie has Nazis invading England, then they'd have to show that, right? I mean, what would happen if that was real? I played a video game where Nazis invaded America and took over the white house. It had Nazi flags all over it, and you ended up having to shoot the president. It's all fiction! Too many people getting butthurt over fiction. Hey, maybe Churchill shoots the Nazis with a Tommy Gun and gets his house back in the flick. Wouldn't that be cool? I think he'd approve of that.

Yeah, I'm seriously interested in seeing how this fits in with apparent time travel, merlin, king arthur, dinobots (maybe) and everything that's going on with o/p - this may be a case of a movie being either too cluttered, or needing to be over 3 hours to tell its story (which is easily possible, considering that aoe was pushing 3 hours and had much less going on in it)

[Kurona]

The problem isn't the idea of Churchill's home in the movie being occupied by Nazis. I think it's a very weird tangent for this movie to go on considering we've already got knights in the mix; but whether it's a good story or not aside, that's fine. I don't mind and very few people would, a billion stories have done that sort of thing before.

The difference here between this movie and those thousands of stories that have done the same thing before it, is that they didn't literally use the real-life location. They used some other place, some other building. The problem isn't that nazis occupy Churchill's home in the movie, that's silly. The problem is that literally, at this very moment, there are Nazi flags physically hanging from what was the home of Churchill in real life. That's what people don't like.

[Burn]

I understand that people are upset about Churchill's home being turned into a Nazi building, and you know what? I'm not exactly okay with it either.

BUT ... some of you are coming incredibly close to overstepping the forum rules. Please keep your comment respectful, and if you disagree with certain comments, do so in a respectful way.

Staff members have tried to defuse things on multiple occasions in the last few days, I'm tired of seeing this thread reported. Keep it respectful because this is the last time staff are stepping in. It's warnings from now on.

[Sabrblade]

Different but related topic:

Here's a different side of the story. Bay claims that Churchill is going to be a hero in this movie. This is our first confirmation that Winston Churchill is going to be a character in this movie, right? Well, who's going to play him?

I have one idea. We know that Anthony Hopkins is in this movie, but we don't know who he's playing. All we know is that his character, based on the video featuring him and Britain's Loneliest Dog, appears to be a British man dressed in old-timey clothing and owning a dog. Well, what if he's actually playing Churchill himself?

[Dr. Caelus]

Please keep your comment respectful, and if you disagree with certain comments, do so in a respectful way.

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, and I somewhat agree with what randomhero said above. Posters are reprimanded if they speak inappropriately about one another, but I've not seen them reprimanded for doing so about a non-member (maybe that's all done by PM). Recently it's bothered me in the Megatoronia (sp?) thread and here. Anyway, I was thinking, 'man, that seems like a major over sight in the rules' but when you mentioned people overstepping the rules, I went and checked:

... This NOT limited solely to members of Seibertron.com. Personal attacks/threats against non-members (e.g. Comic book Writers/Artists, Movie Producers/Stars/Directors, Toy Designers etc) will also not be tolerated.

I'd completely forgotten that was actually in there. Now, granted, I don't think Bay cares what people say about him on the internet, but I think it's a good rule to enforce even in that case, because (in my opinion) letting it slide affects the tone of the discussion and even the culture of the board. Unfortunately, I think when the rule is enforced, the people being reprimanded don't necessarily realize that they in particular are being reprimanded for that specifically. I think people might assume they're only being cited for their participation in any ensuing conflict.

[Starsaber468]

If Nazis had invaded England, they'd have totally done that. So... if the movie has Nazis invading England, then they'd have to show that, right? I mean, what would happen if that was real? I played a video game where Nazis invaded America and took over the white house. It had Nazi flags all over it, and you ended up having to shoot the president. It's all fiction! Too many people getting butthurt over fiction. Hey, maybe Churchill shoots the Nazis with a Tommy Gun and gets his house back in the flick. Wouldn't that be cool? I think he'd approve of that.

Yeah, I'm seriously interested in seeing how this fits in with apparent time travel, merlin, king arthur, dinobots (maybe) and everything that's going on with o/p - this may be a case of a movie being either too cluttered, or needing to be over 3 hours to tell its story (which is easily possible, considering that aoe was pushing 3 hours and had much less going on in it)

Heres how a 4 hour movie that has bad writing, multiple main villans, explosions, murderimus prime, and constant killing of decepticons so much so that they don't develop, and guess what even more BUMBLEBEE