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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Mon May 08, 2017 9:45 am

Prowl4 wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Prowl4 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Prowl4 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Prowl4 wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Prowl4 wrote:
Kurona wrote:Maybe he'll also get a spoiler by the end, or a red and orange colour scheme; or the flame patterns on his chest. I don't see why he wouldn't, as this guy just screams G1 Hot Rod ;)^


Not concerned with that more concerned with an iconic character having a terrible voice.

Eh, it's entirely possible he'll die or just go away after a few movies and this will have been a weird little detour that won't really have shaped our perception of Hot Rod/Rodimus as a character archetype in the slightest and hence won't really be iconic. Happened with Wheeljack, right?


Wheeljack hasn't appeared in the movies.
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Not Wheeljack as he was named que in the movies.
That didn't preclude his still being Wheeljack.


He's not Wheeljack. Get over it.



Yes it was. They changed his name late in production because they wanted to do a nod to Bond with him. Comics even had him get blown to scrap and rebuilt and renamed him Que. for all intended purposes he was wheeljack.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Wheeljack_(Movie)



He's called que in the movies and that's all that matters. The comics don't matter.



His toy is also called wheeljack.

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon May 08, 2017 9:51 am

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He's not Wheeljack. Get over it.

So this isnt Doublecross?

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This isn't Shockwave?

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This isn't Octane?

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Come one, wouldn't a rose of any other name smell as sweet?
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon May 08, 2017 10:17 am

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william-james88 wrote:This isn't Shockwave?

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For this one, the toy, cartoon, comic, and everything else were all "Shockblast", and his personality was so far removed from every other archetypal version of Shockwave (i.e. - Shockblast's being a psychopathic mass-murderer and maniac who thrived on emotions instead of being a stoic, calculating thinker and planner who casts aside emotions for pure logic), I'd really consider him an exception from those other examples despite the obvious Shockwave influence in his visual design.

Despite the many shortcomings of the Energon cartoon, Shockblast made a name for himself by standing out as one of the legitimately cooler aspects of the show.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Nexus Knight » Mon May 08, 2017 10:19 am

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Kurona wrote:
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Kurona wrote:Maybe he'll also get a spoiler by the end, or a red and orange colour scheme; or the flame patterns on his chest. I don't see why he wouldn't, as this guy just screams G1 Hot Rod ;)^


Not concerned with that more concerned with an iconic character having a terrible voice.

Eh, it's entirely possible he'll die or just go away after a few movies and this will have been a weird little detour that won't really have shaped our perception of Hot Rod/Rodimus as a character archetype in the slightest and hence won't really be iconic. Happened with Wheeljack, right?


Other than the fact it isn't the G! version, what exactly is wrong with how this Roddy looks/speaks? Just because it isn't exactly like the original source doesn't necessarily make it bad. T o be honest, I prefer G1 Roddy, but I haven't seen enough of this one to make a large opinion yet.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon May 08, 2017 10:26 am

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Kurona wrote:
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Kurona wrote:Maybe he'll also get a spoiler by the end, or a red and orange colour scheme; or the flame patterns on his chest. I don't see why he wouldn't, as this guy just screams G1 Hot Rod ;)^


Not concerned with that more concerned with an iconic character having a terrible voice.

Eh, it's entirely possible he'll die or just go away after a few movies and this will have been a weird little detour that won't really have shaped our perception of Hot Rod/Rodimus as a character archetype in the slightest and hence won't really be iconic. Happened with Wheeljack, right?


Other than the fact it isn't the G! version, what exactly is wrong with how this Roddy looks/speaks? Just because it isn't exactly like the original source doesn't necessarily make it bad. T o be honest, I prefer G1 Roddy, but I haven't seen enough of this one to make a large opinion yet.

Well, if I were to criticise the design itself; I would say it's rather bland and uninspired with an uninteresting colour scheme, no distinguishing visual characteristics and even looks like he's stolen his head from Bumblebee. On the basis of design alone, he's very forgettable and dime-a-dozen.
Haven't actually seen much of his character or his voice, though - haven't watched any clips since the original trailer. So I can't comment on that.

I was going to say here that I have to clarify my original point of the post wasn't to actually criticise this Hot Rod for not looking like G1 Hot Rod (that ship sailed back in 2007). But looking at that post I'm not actually sure what I was trying to say :lol:
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon May 08, 2017 10:26 am

Nexus Knight wrote:Other than the fact it isn't the G! version, what exactly is wrong with how this Roddy looks/speaks? Just because it isn't exactly like the original source doesn't necessarily make it bad. T o be honest, I prefer G1 Roddy, but I haven't seen enough of this one to make a large opinion yet.

I had no problems. Bay has shown from the very first movie that this isnt G1 so I dont know why fans havent caught onto that. They are just using G1 names and vague archetypes for the main characters. Aside from that, its really a new interpretation.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Nexus Knight » Mon May 08, 2017 10:32 am

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Kurona wrote:
Nexus Knight wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Prowl4 wrote:
Kurona wrote:Maybe he'll also get a spoiler by the end, or a red and orange colour scheme; or the flame patterns on his chest. I don't see why he wouldn't, as this guy just screams G1 Hot Rod ;)^


Not concerned with that more concerned with an iconic character having a terrible voice.

Eh, it's entirely possible he'll die or just go away after a few movies and this will have been a weird little detour that won't really have shaped our perception of Hot Rod/Rodimus as a character archetype in the slightest and hence won't really be iconic. Happened with Wheeljack, right?


Other than the fact it isn't the G! version, what exactly is wrong with how this Roddy looks/speaks? Just because it isn't exactly like the original source doesn't necessarily make it bad. T o be honest, I prefer G1 Roddy, but I haven't seen enough of this one to make a large opinion yet.

Well, if I were to criticise the design itself; I would say it's rather bland and uninspired with an uninteresting colour scheme, no distinguishing visual characteristics and even looks like he's stolen his head from Bumblebee. On the basis of design alone, he's very forgettable and dime-a-dozen.
Haven't actually seen much of his character or his voice, though - haven't watched any clips since the original trailer. So I can't comment on that.

I was going to say here that I have to clarify my original point of the post wasn't to actually criticise this Hot Rod for not looking like G1 Hot Rod (that ship sailed back in 2007). But looking at that post I'm not actually sure what I was trying to say :lol:


Looking back at the pictures and trailer, yeah, I agree about the design. But (as I"m annoyingly optimistic) I hope that his character will help him stand out. I actually like the French accent, for two reasons. One, I don't think we've ever had a character that sounds French (that i can recall, I could be wrong). And two, it makes Transformers more diverse. In the past they've either sounded mainly American (with your different variants) and British. But that's just me. If you hate the voice, hate the voice. It's just irritating to see that argument "It's bad b/c it's not MY Transformers".
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Nexus Knight » Mon May 08, 2017 11:19 am

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william-james88 wrote:
Nexus Knight wrote:Other than the fact it isn't the G! version, what exactly is wrong with how this Roddy looks/speaks? Just because it isn't exactly like the original source doesn't necessarily make it bad. T o be honest, I prefer G1 Roddy, but I haven't seen enough of this one to make a large opinion yet.

I had no problems. Bay has shown from the very first movie that this isnt G1 so I dont know why fans havent caught onto that. They are just using G1 names and vague archetypes for the main characters. Aside from that, its really a new interpretation.


Maybe it's less they haven't caught on and more they won't accept the fact that Transformers have moved on from the 80's. I see that a lot in the comments for videos on YouTube for "Ground Zero" ("TIll All are One"), "Dare", and similar songs that seem to show this.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon May 08, 2017 11:51 am

Nexus Knight wrote:Maybe it's less they haven't caught on and more they won't accept the fact that Transformers have moved on from the 80's. I see that a lot in the comments for videos on YouTube for "Ground Zero" ("TIll All are One"), "Dare", and similar songs that seem to show this.

Yeah it colud very well be that.

But thats why I like having people like Sly on our forums. Regardless what fans think, these movies have a MASSIVE following and a lot of people find them awesome. The great amount of fans saying they dont like em end up being a minority so its nice to have some comments representing the majority (thanks Sly!).

And we can think of it this way: there are still many die hard TF fans out there who hate Beast Wars and think that the BW Masterpiece figures are terrible since now they have to wait longer for more G1 Masterpiece toys :lol:
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Re: New Clip of Transformers: The Last Knight With Hot Rod, WW2 Tank Bot and Cogman

Postby Stuartmaximus » Mon May 08, 2017 12:04 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Cogman and Hot Rod are the newest bots in Transformers: The Last Knight, which we stil know very little of. And if you havent been to any of the fan events yet, then you haven't even seen a clip with them. Well things are about to change since right below you will see a clip from the movie featuring all these characters along with Bumblebee, Anthony Hopkins and Mark Wahlberg, taken at the MTV Awards happening this Sunday evening.

Enjoy!



Aye that's one of the clips that was shown at Cinemacon(of which someone at the time had recorded at the event & put up on Youtube in poor quality)
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Nexus Knight » Mon May 08, 2017 12:10 pm

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Nexus Knight wrote:Maybe it's less they haven't caught on and more they won't accept the fact that Transformers have moved on from the 80's. I see that a lot in the comments for videos on YouTube for "Ground Zero" ("TIll All are One"), "Dare", and similar songs that seem to show this.

Yeah it colud very well be that.

But thats why I like having people like Sly on our forums. Regardless what fans think, these movies have a MASSIVE following and a lot of people find them awesome. The great amount of fans saying they dont like em end up being a minority so its nice to have some comments representing the majority (thanks Sly!).

And we can think of it this way: there are still many die hard TF fans out there who hate Beast Wars and think that the BW Masterpiece figures are terrible since now they have to wait longer for more G1 Masterpiece toys :lol:


Okay, now that I have that context, I'm just gonna sit back and laugh whenever I see hate on the movies. :lol: I'm not going to be able to see negative comments without seeing this post in my mind.

I personally love the movies. Sure, I find Bumblebee annoying, but that is my personal opinion. I do prefer the Aligned continuity (especially Prime), but the '07 movie and toyline was my first look at the brand and what got me hooked. So, while not my favorite, the movies hold that special place that the '84 cartoon does for people.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon May 08, 2017 1:01 pm

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Prowl4 wrote:He's called que in the movies and that's all that matters. The comics don't matter.


The credits call him Que/Wheeljack so for all intents and purposes he is Wheeljack enough that there will never be another attempt at the character in the current run of movies.

Which is good in my opinion I'm all for more use of obscure names like Barricades, Blackouts and Crosshairs or completely original names like Cogman or Dino characters with names that are not as nostalgic so people don't get false expectations based on previous versions of the characters.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon May 08, 2017 1:11 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Wow. What a huge spoiler that tweet is. Putting together 2 and 2, Bay just pretty much told us that Cybertron will be destroyed for good. If 1 world lives and 1 dies, it won't be Earth that dies. So, The Last Knight will be the end of Cybertron. But will Prime and/or Megatron die with it?


Maybe that's the twist and they destroy Earth.
Can't tell if you're serious or not, but that's highly unlikely considering that Bayverse is utterly human-centric.

Tis was a joke but hey if this really is Bay's last film he could give us a big send off with the most epic destruction of Earth.

I doubt it honestly but going by the trailer stuff Earth is going to be heavily damaged from another planet dragging it's metal parts on the surface of the Earth.

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That's supposed to be one of the goals of this movie yes as stated by Bay himself during the Imax fan preview although how it does is being kept secret until the movie comes out

Prowl4 wrote:I do wonder what bay's fixation is on British transformers and especially his fixation on mark Ryan who is absolutely awful.

Hot rods voice certainly not as bad as expected but I do hope he changes his voice by the end since they learn earth's languages through the worldwide Web hopefully he'll get judd nelsons voice by the end.


"I do wonder what the fan's fixation is on American transformers."

But honestly not every original actor needs to come back nor do all Transformers need American accents so how about more Australian, French, Jamaican, Russian and so on especially a Canadian Transformer eh?

Mark Ryan was damn awesome as Jetfire and Lockdown and were some of the most entertaining characters in the films especially Lockdown being the best antagonist in these movies besides maybe Sentinel.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby JazZeke » Mon May 08, 2017 1:27 pm

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Nexus Knight wrote:Maybe it's less they haven't caught on and more they won't accept the fact that Transformers have moved on from the 80's. I see that a lot in the comments for videos on YouTube for "Ground Zero" ("TIll All are One"), "Dare", and similar songs that seem to show this.

Yeah it colud very well be that.

But thats why I like having people like Sly on our forums. Regardless what fans think, these movies have a MASSIVE following and a lot of people find them awesome. The great amount of fans saying they dont like em end up being a minority so its nice to have some comments representing the majority (thanks Sly!).

And we can think of it this way: there are still many die hard TF fans out there who hate Beast Wars and think that the BW Masterpiece figures are terrible since now they have to wait longer for more G1 Masterpiece toys :lol:


There's representing a minority opinion, and then there's being entirely delusional.

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As opposed to what, your single minded obsession with defending any and all Michael Bay Transformer movies?

Oh no! Someone dissed the movies! Someone said something bad about Michael Bay! But wait, here comes SlyTF1, Bay's very own knight in shining armour swooping in to insult and ridicule those mean mean people!

Get off your high horse and open your eyes, you want to talk ignorant? Take a good long look in the mirror. Anyone getting butthurt over the Razzies is an ignorant fool. The Razzies began, and exist, as a mock towards the Oscars, to honour those movies that just weren't so great.

They're not meant to be taken seriously.
They're not going to change people's opinions on movies
They're not going to affect the profits made
They're not going to ruin your childhood.

What they do is give people like me, a chance to mock and laugh at fools like you who ignorantly rush to defend those movies the Razzies honour.

Go crawl back into your hole. The rest of humanity will be here when you grow up.


I'm not mad about a stupid "award." I'm pissed that the only thing on the planet that I care about seems to be the punching bag of the world, just because one guy had a single thing to do with it.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon May 08, 2017 1:31 pm

JazZeke wrote:There's representing a minority opinion, and then there's being entirely delusional.


All I see is someone who is as passionate about this interpretation of Transformers as many fans here are passionate about G1. It seems no different than the fans who are ready to spend double the possible cost on a figure simply because Takara added a few paint apps making them more "show accurate".

We each have our passions. Sly's is the TF movies, and mine is women.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon May 08, 2017 1:34 pm

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JazZeke wrote:There's representing a minority opinion, and then there's being entirely delusional.


All I see is someone who is as passionate about this interpretation of Transformers as many fans here are passionate about G1. It seems no different than the fans who are ready to spend double the possible cost on a figure simply because Takara added a few paint apps making them more "show accurate".

We each have our passions. Sly's is the TF movies, and mine is women.

I think that's the best defence of Sly I've seen on the boards; at least his passion isn't creepy.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon May 08, 2017 1:44 pm

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It's interesting that the Movie threads are always the ones that brings who we are out such as Sly or Will or Prowl4 or Kurona or myself.

But I'm excited for this film as well since the movies are something I have a personal connection to they might not be the best films and I agree with that but damn if I don't find them one of the most entertaining experiences in my 19 years of life.

Especially being in the theater the first time it comes on for each film and the feeling I get in my chest like if I was watching a thrilling/horror movie is something not much else beats and the only other movie I've felt like that was during Rogue One's final battle.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Autobot N » Mon May 08, 2017 1:55 pm

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william-james88 wrote:We each have our passions. Sly's is the TF movies, and mine is women.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Mon May 08, 2017 3:04 pm

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JazZeke wrote:There's representing a minority opinion, and then there's being entirely delusional.


All I see is someone who is as passionate about this interpretation of Transformers as many fans here are passionate about G1. It seems no different than the fans who are ready to spend double the possible cost on a figure simply because Takara added a few paint apps making them more "show accurate".

We each have our passions. Sly's is the TF movies, and mine is women.

I think that's the best defence of Sly I've seen on the boards; at least his passion isn't creepy.

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon May 08, 2017 3:08 pm

Kurona wrote:I think that's the best defence of Sly I've seen on the boards; at least his passion isn't creepy.

:lol: Nothing creepy about loving my wife and daughter more than TFs.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Autobot_Benz » Mon May 08, 2017 4:30 pm

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Wheeljack hasn't appeared in the movies.


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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon May 08, 2017 5:03 pm

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Hey now, i like the movies too. usually the highlights of my summer when they come out! I can respect the shortcoming but still love them for what they are.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Mon May 08, 2017 8:01 pm

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