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Yotsuyasan wrote:I just hope it is either a new mold or one heck of a remold of Ultra Magnus. My reasoning:

Most obviously, Optimus's trailer should not be a car carrier.

I think, even more then with Magnus where I could forgive loosing it, Optimus needs to retain having his cab transform separately into a smaller "core" robot.

I rather hope they somehow actually include the Powermaster gimmick, and "Powermaster" isn't just in his name. I suppose they could remold/repaint the little guy that came with Magnus into Hi-Q/Ginrai, but then Hi-Q/Ginrai would transform into a car rather than an engine.

So, could a remold of Magnus work? Possibly. I even saw a photo of Magnus fan-mode transformed into a half-way decent base mode that, in a version of the toy remolded to make such a mode intentional, could work pretty nicely. But it would have to be, as I said, one heck of a remold to really work.

(And, as a side note, I wonder if we'll ever get Godbomber/Apex Bomber? Probably not from Hasbro, but maybe Takara or a third party might pop one out to go with Optimus.)

Blasters base mode kinda looks like powermaster primes/ginrais base mode it does from the pictures

BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:I would really appreciate the irony if Powermaster Optimus Prime was a redeco or retool of the CW Ultra Magnus figure, instead of the other way around as it had been for years

I would hope it would be an new mold in all honesty

Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.

bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.

Yeah i want HiQ or ginrai to be an actual powemaster and the cab to be transformable it would be twice as hard to remold the mold to be powermaster optimus prime then make a new mold plus powermasterprime/super ginrai looks pretty different than Ultra magnus so it would be a heck of a remold

bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.

If they go with Magnus, it would probably be Apex Armor Powermaster Prime.

Incredibly quick and dirty mockup:



The shoulder extensions bug me. I agree about the car carrier aspect but if they were willing to put a bit more into it, maybe he could have Apex armor wings that shellform around the carrier to form a trailer. PM Prime's trailer was never pretty.

RodimusRex wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.

If they go with Magnus, it would probably be Apex Armor Powermaster Prime.

Incredibly quick and dirty mockup:



The shoulder extensions bug me. I agree about the car carrier aspect but if they were willing to put a bit more into it, maybe he could have Apex armor wings that shellform around the carrier to form a trailer. PM Prime's trailer was never pretty.

I'd imagine that Powermaster Prime would have a brand new trailer if he was remolded from Magnus. Plus, Powermaster Prime's toy didn't really need Hi-Q to combine with his trailer so if Hi-Q is a remold of Minimus Ambus that won't really bother me they'd just need to change the chest area on him.

Yeah this may be connected to the rumour about Powermaster Optimus Prime being a heave retool of CW leader Ultra Magnus.

They can do Powermaster Prime from Ultra Magnus but can't do a proper Blast Off from Alpha Bravo. I just don't get it, but I'll buy it.

To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.

So did anyone else pull out their Magnus figure and play around with it to see if it could be done? The truck cab is about the size of a Deluxe which is fine with me if they were to make a simple Deluxe Optimus Prime that transforms like the original PM OP with minimum articulation (neck, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees, and ankles) it could be done pretty cheaply and easily.

The arms are the easiest thing to modify. They can make completely new arms, but leave the way they're brought together. Then instead of folding them back to make the top of the carrier slide the hands in (like the Japanese figure) and point them straight down to make the front of the trailer. The rest of the trailer could possibly be done through a series of folded panels to make a box which can double as ramps and whatnot in base mode. People have mentioned the UM chest panel being in the way, but it isn't an essential part of the transformation in either mode so it can be removed completely.

So yeah, it can be done, but is it really worth doing this way instead of starting over?

Emerje

Please don't use the Magnus armor for this. It would be so much better as an original mold.

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

Here's the catch though: he would not be Convoy if released in Japan, he'd be Ginrai.

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.

Emerje

To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.

Railbomb wrote:

RodimusRex wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.

If they go with Magnus, it would probably be Apex Armor Powermaster Prime.

Incredibly quick and dirty mockup:



The shoulder extensions bug me. I agree about the car carrier aspect but if they were willing to put a bit more into it, maybe he could have Apex armor wings that shellform around the carrier to form a trailer. PM Prime's trailer was never pretty.

I'd imagine that Powermaster Prime would have a brand new trailer if he was remolded from Magnus. Plus, Powermaster Prime's toy didn't really need Hi-Q to combine with his trailer so if Hi-Q is a remold of Minimus Ambus that won't really bother me they'd just need to change the chest area on him.

In all honesty they should make an new mold for him because it will be a extremely remolded figure or a lazy repaint or etc anyway its better if it was an new mold than an repaint of the ultra magnus mold because do i even have to say XD Chest Minionies shouldn't be alwayd the same you know XD lol

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.

So did anyone else pull out their Magnus figure and play around with it to see if it could be done? The truck cab is about the size of a Deluxe which is fine with me if they were to make a simple Deluxe Optimus Prime that transforms like the original PM OP with minimum articulation (neck, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees, and ankles) it could be done pretty cheaply and easily.

The arms are the easiest thing to modify. They can make completely new arms, but leave the way they're brought together. Then instead of folding them back to make the top of the carrier slide the hands in (like the Japanese figure) and point them straight down to make the front of the trailer. The rest of the trailer could possibly be done through a series of folded panels to make a box which can double as ramps and whatnot in base mode. People have mentioned the UM chest panel being in the way, but it isn't an essential part of the transformation in either mode so it can be removed completely.

So yeah, it can be done, but is it really worth doing this way instead of starting over?

Emerje

I totally agree with you plus its powermaster prime its not gonna look good using the ultra magnus mold unlike how cw mirage suits the cw dragstrip mold since it doesn't exactly suit the gjaracter plus it doesn't work that way it would be either a lazy repaint or a overly remolded figure which would be harder to make than an new moldand it doesn't

I doubt Powermaster Optimus Prime is from the Ultra Magnus mold. It could be a possibility (with Minimus Ambus repainted into Hi-Q), yes, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. I also doubt Hasbro is going to use the Godbomber design for Powermaster Optimus Prime. Hasbro rarely uses Takara's designs for their Transformers toys.

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I doubt Powermaster Optimus Prime is from the Ultra Magnus mold. It could be a possibility (with Minimus Ambus repainted into Hi-Q), yes, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. I also doubt Hasbro is going to use the Godbomber design for Powermaster Optimus Prime. Hasbro rarely uses Takara's designs for their Transformers toys.

They did use Godbomber for the rerelease.

The biggest case I can see for this is the heavy number of unintentional or odd homages we've had in recent years.

Hasn't it been suggested that Hasbro has some big, unlabeled catalogs of designs and that some of the people picking decos are engineers or artists without a lot of knowledge of the IP?

I seem to recall discussion about when they did the Construct Bots Dino Stripe G2 Grimlock homage, there was discussion that the people picking the decos might not have even known the toy was unreleased.

Godbomber/Apex Prime has turned up in a lot of western artwork and a rerelease... and the contours fit Magnus better.

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I doubt Powermaster Optimus Prime is from the Ultra Magnus mold. It could be a possibility (with Minimus Ambus repainted into Hi-Q), yes, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. I also doubt Hasbro is going to use the Godbomber design for Powermaster Optimus Prime. Hasbro rarely uses Takara's designs for their Transformers toys.

That last commemorative reissue of PM Prime did have Godbomber, even if he was just called 'Apex Armor', and that was a Hasbro release. I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm just saying there's a precedent now.

Update: I totally didn't see the previous post mentioning this until after I wrote this.

Railbomb wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.

Emerje

To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.

Sure, but that was just them shoehorning it to the nth degree. The alternatives were to either leave the little figure out completely or try to explain who Minimus Ambus is. The whole thing was made by Hasbro's design from the comics where there isn't a white Prime inside. Takara Tomy themselves made MP Magnus without a Prime body so that was clearly acceptable for the Legends figure. On the flip side they've never made a Transforming Super Ginrai that couldn't stand alone as regular Ginrai as well. It'd be a lot harder to explain why human Ginrai's Transtector goes directly to Super Ginrai without regular Transtector Ginrai in between.

Emerje

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I doubt Powermaster Optimus Prime is from the Ultra Magnus mold. It could be a possibility (with Minimus Ambus repainted into Hi-Q), yes, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. I also doubt Hasbro is going to use the Godbomber design for Powermaster Optimus Prime. Hasbro rarely uses Takara's designs for their Transformers toys.

I disagree about that last bit, it's factually false. Hasbro uses a bunch of takara designs whenever available. They release the MPs, they repackage Takara encores (like the Predaking reissue we got last year and the aforementioned Powermaster reissue), let alone the fact that they gave us gen crosscut who was a TF invented by takara alone. They also stayed with both the Takara aesthetic vision of both Devastator and Arcee. All while Hasbro is the main source of design right now for TFs (and has been since Beast Wars), so its not fair to say they dont use Takara designs when there are so few of them that are actual takara designs (and those get used by Hasbro).

Oh and we even got this guy from the club last year who is a deep cut in the Takara TF lore:

Emerje wrote:

Railbomb wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.

Emerje

To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.

Sure, but that was just them shoehorning it to the nth degree. The alternatives were to either leave the little figure out completely or try to explain who Minimus Ambus is. The whole thing was made by Hasbro's design from the comics where there isn't a white Prime inside. Takara Tomy themselves made MP Magnus without a Prime body so that was clearly acceptable for the Legends figure. On the flip side they've never made a Transforming Super Ginrai that couldn't stand alone as regular Ginrai as well. It'd be a lot harder to explain why human Ginrai's Transtector goes directly to Super Ginrai without regular Transtector Ginrai in between.

Emerje

Place it sometime after Super God Masterforce or Victory (sometime after the transector gets its own mind and the human Ginrai isn't needed) and have the human Ginrai placed in some situation where he has to fight the Decepticons again and he has a new transector made for him. bam. problem solved.

Railbomb wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.

Emerje

To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.

Probably unlikely its takara and a character they barely would ever use they wouldn't skip out on making the character have just a bad figure it should be an new mold its not going to be too great if its just a lazy repaint of ultra magnus

Railbomb wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Railbomb wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons

See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.

Emerje

To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.

Sure, but that was just them shoehorning it to the nth degree. The alternatives were to either leave the little figure out completely or try to explain who Minimus Ambus is. The whole thing was made by Hasbro's design from the comics where there isn't a white Prime inside. Takara Tomy themselves made MP Magnus without a Prime body so that was clearly acceptable for the Legends figure. On the flip side they've never made a Transforming Super Ginrai that couldn't stand alone as regular Ginrai as well. It'd be a lot harder to explain why human Ginrai's Transtector goes directly to Super Ginrai without regular Transtector Ginrai in between.

Emerje

Place it sometime after Super God Masterforce or Victory (sometime after the transector gets its own mind and the human Ginrai isn't needed) and have the human Ginrai placed in some situation where he has to fight the Decepticons again and he has a new transector made for him. bam. problem solved.

Yeah but in america we had Hi-Q so their not gonna get rid of the powermaster assuming this plus Ginrai still had the engine block attached to him after no longer being a transector

The smart thing would be for Hasbro to tell Takara of plans to do a minimally retooled version and then say, "But if you want to pay for more tooling, we'll split the cost with you and do it your way."

RodimusRex wrote:The smart thing would be for Hasbro to tell Takara of plans to do a minimally retooled version and then say, "But if you want to pay for more tooling, we'll split the cost with you and do it your way."

That's what I was thinking. But the reverse could also be true. Hasbro could of wanted to get in on Takara making a new Ginrai.