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News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:46 pm

Sowndwave76 wrote:
What do you think about my idea (or thought, rather) that Hasbro could finally make a line that is beast-centered? I'm not even really a fan of Beast Wars, but it seems overdue, and along with updated Dinobots and a couple beast combiners, it could be a decently filled-out line.

The idea was brought up a few times and while I think its a perfectly fine idea, I dont see that as a gimick certain classes would share. When Hasbro has brought up a theme in the past, it was always related to a gimick and not necessarily the alt modes (at least not since Beast Wars, of course

). But recent past we have the minicons in armada, the combiners in energon, the keys in cybertron and more recently more combiners, titan masters and minicons again in RID. So my guess is their third part of the trilogy would be focused more on a gimick. And plus, they are releasing quite a few animals and monsters already in TR so if they were gonna make it animal centric for the third part, I would think they would have kept those for then.

So here are my thoughts: its a cool idea, but we are already living it partly (yay!) and the third line would be more about gimicks than alt modes.

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:54 pm

Kurona wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:About the Titan Class figures, I would be very very surprised if Hasbro already didnt have designs for Omega Supreme and Scorponok. Hasbro already said that a toy's production cycle is about 2 years, so for them to have pumped out Trypticon so fast after he was revealed as the winner posits that a good chunk of work was done before. And since they didnt know who would be next, they stopped before the actual mold creation part (since its the most expensive part of the process). So that would mean that they did already spend resources coming up with designs for these 2 more titans. And with Predaking hinted to come out next year, that would mean he is off the list of possible titans to come out one day so there is one less option. Of course, like Emerje said, things can always be dropped last minute, but in this case it would be more like dropping a titan class transformer coming out at all rather than dropping a specific one over another.

Simply said, I am very confident that if they continue with this class size, we will get Omega Supreme and Scorponok.

Good points.
So most likely Predaking will not be Titan class... I'm more than okay with that.

What do you think about my idea (or thought, rather) that Hasbro could finally make a line that is beast-centered? I'm not even really a fan of Beast Wars, but it seems overdue, and along with updated Dinobots and a couple beast combiners, it could be a decently filled-out line.

A beast-centred line would be my dream. Beast Wars? Dinobots? The rest of the Combiners (or at least just Predaking)? Pretenders updated in a similar style to ROTF Bludgeon? Bring it on!

Yeah overall I would totally dig it... I don't see myself buying all of any line, but with one that's beast-centered, I'd easily buy most of it.
I wasn't specific enough before. I guess I meant how realistic do you think this is??
Imo, with all of the characters that are due for updating, filling out a decent line is by no means a stretch. Surely a few of the Predacons and Terrorcons could share some molding. And yeah, scaling would be way off, but the same applies to a Dinobot combiner.
Now, ideally, I'd like all of those guys to be at least voyager class. But that's pretty unlikely unless they only release a couple.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:54 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:
What do you think about my idea (or thought, rather) that Hasbro could finally make a line that is beast-centered? I'm not even really a fan of Beast Wars, but it seems overdue, and along with updated Dinobots and a couple beast combiners, it could be a decently filled-out line.

The idea was brought up a few times and while I think its a perfectly fine idea, I dont see that as a gimick certain classes would share. When Hasbro has brought up a theme in the past, it was always related to a gimick and not necessarily the alt modes (at least not since Beast Wars, of course ). But recent past we have the minicons in armada, the combiners in energon, the keys in cybertron and more recently more combiners, titan masters and minicons again in RID. So my guess is their third part of the trilogy would be focused more on a gimick. And plus, they are releasing quite a few animals and monsters already in TR so if they were gonna make it animal centric for the third part, I would think they would have kept those for then.

So here are my thoughts: its a cool idea, but we are already living it partly (yay!) and the third line would be more about gimicks than alt modes.

The only problem is, and I know I've said this a ton before... what gimmick could they actually do? Combiners and Headmasters are taken up, Powermasters are likely too similar to Headmasters (and they kind of had their main players of PM OP and Getaway taken by TR), Targetmasters also had their guys (1986 Autobot Cars, Scourge, Triggerhappy and very likely more to come) taken, I kinda doubt they'd do Action Masters, I have no clue how they'd do Micromasters, and Pretenders are both unpopular and with the current business model likely completely unviable.
Way I see it there'll either be a completely new gimmick, they'll go back to combiners or they'll go without.

Or hey, maybe we'll finally see the glorious return of the ROTOR FORCE

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:59 pm

william-james88 wrote:The idea was brought up a few times and while I think its a perfectly fine idea, I dont see that as a gimick certain classes would share. When Hasbro has brought up a theme in the past, it was always related to a gimick and not necessarily the alt modes (at least not since Beast Wars, of course ). But recent past we have the minicons in armada, the combiners in energon, the keys in cybertron and more recently more combiners, titan masters and minicons again in RID. So my guess is their third part of the trilogy would be focused more on a gimick. And plus, they are releasing quite a few animals and monsters already in TR so if they were gonna make it animal centric for the third part, I would think they would have kept those for then.

So here are my thoughts: its a cool idea, but we are already living it partly (yay!) and the third line would be more about gimicks than alt modes.

Dream Crusher!!!
Haha... Again, good points. I guess my only rebuttal is how many more gimmicks are they going to throw at us? Also as I just mentioned in another post, there are still plenty of other beast characters who are due for updating.
It may be nice and almost refreshing to get a line of just solid figures, without gimmicks (minus a couple combiners).
For the most part, aren't the beast/monsters we're seeing originally headmaster characters??

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:03 pm

Kurona wrote:Or hey, maybe we'll finally see the glorious return of the ROTOR FORCE

ughhhhh....Predators before spinning stuff!

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:07 pm

Kurona wrote:
Cobotron wrote:It would be really cool if Perceptor had that monocle.

Even better, it's a targeting reticle monocle

Man there's so many alternate heads to do this time round. Galvatron, IDW Perceptor, IDW Rodimus, IDW Blurr, Triggerhappy with a mouth, Rebirth Hardhead... I'm getting obsessed here lol. Hopefully a third party'll do something.

I remember seeing a 3P company doing alternate faces you could just screw on after unscrewing the original face. Some were pretty cool. I forget where though

Burn wrote:
Kurona wrote:Or hey, maybe we'll finally see the glorious return of the ROTOR FORCE

ughhhhh....Predators before spinning stuff!

What about color changers and water guns?

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:07 pm

Burn wrote:
Kurona wrote:Or hey, maybe we'll finally see the glorious return of the ROTOR FORCE

ughhhhh....Predators before spinning stuff!

are you denying the greatest transformer gimmick of all time? the one where they couldn't figure out a fourth vehicle with a propellor so they just stock a rotor on the top of a race car and called it a day?

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:10 pm

Kurona wrote:Or, the unlikelier scenario; Sky Shadow doesn't come with two Titan Masters, but Overlord does.
If not I hope that Overlord's Titan Master is IDW-based, and that they release a separate Titan Master (in the Titan Master class) modeled after Masterforce's Mega with the Masterforce face. I think it'd work out since the Masterforce face is pretty generic with all the detail coming from the Leader's helmet.

Maybe an angry expression and an even angrier expression? Iurc in Masterforce, Overlord when his two Godmasters died had an even more menacing look.

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:15 pm

Sowndwave76 wrote:For the most part, aren't the beast/monsters we're seeing originally headmaster characters??

Not really here are the beast/monsters made with these TR molds from across different companies (both confirmed and not confirmed) that were/are not headmasters:

Laserbeak
Ravage
Stripes
Alpha Trion/Lio Convoy
Double Cross
Repugnus
ConvoBat
Krok
Carnivac
Grotusque
Trypticon
Deathsaurus
Blood
Pounce
Wingspan

As you can see, this line is releasing a ton of beasts and monsters.

I am thinking the 3rd gimick could be unlocked flip gimicks or such that only come out when inserting something. Thats a gimick that hasnt been used. The pretenders seem to be handled in TR anyway.

Of course, it can also be Beast Wars again, but that would in no way fit with whoever the titan coming out will be. I would be all for another thrilling 30 line where everything gets revisited and updated simultaneously.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:19 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:For the most part, aren't the beast/monsters we're seeing originally headmaster characters??

Not really here are the beast/monsters made with these TR molds from across different companies (both confirmed and not confirmed) that were/are not headmasters:

Laserbeak
Ravage
Stripes
Alpha Trion/Lio Convoy
Double Cross
Repugnus
ConvoBat
Krok
Carnivac
Grotusque
Trypticon
Deathsaurus
Blood
Pounce
Wingspan

As you can see, this line is releasing a ton of beasts and monsters.

I am thinking the 3rd gimick could be unlocked flip gimicks or such that only come out when inserting something. Thats a gimick that hasnt been used. The pretenders seem to be handled in TR anyway.

Of course, it can also be Beast Wars again, but that would in no way fit with whoever the titan coming out will be. I would be all for another thrilling 30 line where everything gets revisited and updated simultaneously.

Well, uh, let's be fair here; Carnivac, Grotusque, Deathsaurus and Blood aren't confirmed yet. And Krok wasn't originally a beastformer; he was an Action Master with jet kibble.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:23 pm

Kurona wrote:are you denying the greatest transformer gimmick of all time? the one where they couldn't figure out a fourth vehicle with a propellor so they just stock a rotor on the top of a race car and called it a day?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:What about color changers and water guns?

I hate you news crew people so so very much.
(That's a joke for those who don't get me)

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:25 pm

Kurona wrote:Well, uh, let's be fair here; Carnivac, Grotusque, Deathsaurus and Blood aren't confirmed yet. And Krok wasn't originally a beastformer; he was an Action Master with jet kibble.

Just saying this line has a potential for a bunch of beast formers and I was clear that not everything was confirmed. Plus the part of Krok that did transform was a beast. I dont see how its all that different to how they combine designs of pretenders and inner roots (where one is a non transforming component while the other is), which is something you seemed to like.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:30 pm

Burn wrote:
Kurona wrote:are you denying the greatest transformer gimmick of all time? the one where they couldn't figure out a fourth vehicle with a propellor so they just stock a rotor on the top of a race car and called it a day?
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:What about color changers and water guns?
I hate you news crew people so so very much.
(That's a joke for those who don't get me)

Oh, I forgot: Slide shows!!!

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:30 pm

Just to be clear, I do think we'll get Scorponok and Omega Supreme, I just don't necessarily think they'll be our next two.

william-james88 wrote:About the Titan Class figures, I would be very very surprised if Hasbro already didnt have designs for Omega Supreme and Scorponok. Hasbro already said that a toy's production cycle is about 2 years, so for them to have pumped out Trypticon so fast after he was revealed as the winner posits that a good chunk of work was done before.

That goes for most Transformers at any scale. Just because we had those three particular characters in the poll doesn't mean they're the only titans they were working on at the time. It makes sense to build a poll around them since they all have rivals already prepared in Titan Class. There's also potential for Unicron and Primus, both of which I could see being major players in the Prime Wars story in the future. It's not impossible that they already knew at the time of the poll exactly who they intend to use as the 2018 and 2019 Titans, but wanted fans to fill the gap for 2017 with Scorponok and Omega not coming until 2020 and 2021.

We just don't know what Hasbro is planning.

Emerje

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:34 pm

Kurona wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:For the most part, aren't the beast/monsters we're seeing originally headmaster characters??

Not really here are the beast/monsters made with these TR molds from across different companies (both confirmed and not confirmed) that were/are not headmasters:

Laserbeak
Ravage
Stripes
Alpha Trion/Lio Convoy
Double Cross
Repugnus
ConvoBat
Krok
Carnivac
Grotusque
Trypticon
Deathsaurus
Blood
Pounce
Wingspan

As you can see, this line is releasing a ton of beasts and monsters.

I am thinking the 3rd gimick could be unlocked flip gimicks or such that only come out when inserting something. Thats a gimick that hasnt been used. The pretenders seem to be handled in TR anyway.

Of course, it can also be Beast Wars again, but that would in no way fit with whoever the titan coming out will be. I would be all for another thrilling 30 line where everything gets revisited and updated simultaneously.

Well, uh, let's be fair here; Carnivac, Grotusque, Deathsaurus and Blood aren't confirmed yet. And Krok wasn't originally a beastformer; he was an Action Master with jet kibble.

Well, and for the average TF fan like myself, the mass majority of the characters on that list are relatively obscure. Especially compared to the Dinobots, Predacons, and the BW characters.
Definitely not meaning to argue here.
In the grand scheme, I still think a full line of beastformers is pretty unlikely, even though it seems more than possible.
I don't want to carry this convo on too much, because I know there are people who hate discussions that are based on speculation.
But I'll say this real quick-- it will personally be a sad day when speculating is no longer exciting for me... Because that means TF have reached the point where so much has been released that there's not much at all to look forward to.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:39 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Oh, I forgot: Slide shows!!!

Slide shows rock.

Sucking up to the forum admin however is just bad. :-P

News Credits: 9 · by **Sowndwave76** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:42 pm

Kurona wrote:
Burn wrote:
Kurona wrote:Or hey, maybe we'll finally see the glorious return of the ROTOR FORCE

ughhhhh....Predators before spinning stuff!

are you denying the greatest transformer gimmick of all time? the one where they couldn't figure out a fourth vehicle with a propellor so they just stock a rotor on the top of a race car and called it a day?

Dayyum!
That guy looks like a badass... Once he glides around you in racecar hover mode... He'll transform and knock you back a couple yards with his wind-power attack!!
Surely this is the next gimmick!!!!

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:44 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Oh, I forgot: Slide shows!!!

Someone remembered Beast Wars Second Moon's gimmick!

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:47 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Kurona wrote:Well, uh, let's be fair here; Carnivac, Grotusque, Deathsaurus and Blood aren't confirmed yet. And Krok wasn't originally a beastformer; he was an Action Master with jet kibble.

Just saying this line has a potential for a bunch of beast formers and I was clear that not everything was confirmed. Plus the part of Krok that did transform was a beast. I dont see how its all that different to how they combine designs of pretenders and inner roots (where one is a non transforming component while the other is), which is something you seemed to like.

That was Krok's partner though, a completely different guy.
And in the case of the pretenders... the guy inside did transform. Carnivac still turned into a wolf, just a robotic one compared to the organic one of his inner shell.

In any case combining Pretenders' shell aspects with the inner robot is a different case, as both shell and robot are the character; at most the shell is their accessory. In the case of the Action Masters' partners... it's the same basic concept as the current RiD 2015 Mini-Con Weaponizer packs. Sawtooth isn't a part of Strongarm, he's her partner. Gatoraider isn't a part of Krok, he's his partner.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:51 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Oh, I forgot: Slide shows!!!
Someone remembered Beast Wars Second Moon's gimmick!

You forgot that the Predators done that first?
I'm ashamed of you Sabr. You're supposed to be the nerd among nerds.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:56 pm

Kurona wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Oh, I forgot: Slide shows!!!
Someone remembered Beast Wars Second Moon's gimmick!

You forgot that the Predators done that first?
I'm ashamed of you Sabr. You're supposed to be the nerd among nerds.

I'm pretty sure he actually knew that the predators did it first. Someone else must have just done it as well.

Now if he did actually forget about the predators.... I smell a ban in someones future....

Burn wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Oh, I forgot: Slide shows!!!

Slide shows rock.

Sucking up to the forum admin however is just bad.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:00 pm

Kurona wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Oh, I forgot: Slide shows!!!
Someone remembered Beast Wars Second Moon's gimmick!

You forgot that the Predators done that first?
I'm ashamed of you Sabr. You're supposed to be the nerd among nerds.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:03 pm

Toldya K

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:29 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I smell a ban in someones future....

That's the lingering smell of today's banning.

News Credits: 4 · by **King Kuuga** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:32 am

Since nobody has brought this up yet, there's an official stream of all the stuff that went on at NYCC on their various Twitch channels. The TF panel was covered in the "Live" channel, at the 2:47:20 mark. No audio cutting, closeups where necessary, all the good stuff.
https://www.twitch.tv/twitch/v/93314749

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