The Energon Pub

Sounds about right. Thanks. Wave 5 seems a little sparse, but oh well.

I'll start taking offers now for the Metal hawk figure.


I may or may not be open to favors.

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:The Hb Metalhawk does NOT do the figure justice! Heck, even my original die-cast Metalhawk floors that piece of slag!

I disagree, I think it looks really good, especially taking hint at the bulky torso of the G1 toy.

Quick comparison

G1 Metalhawk


Transformers G1 1988 Metalhawk Gallery

TR Metalhawk





Garage Kit Metalhawk



At least the TR one goes more towards gold rather than yellow for the chest, which I think is super cool. Its defintel more an homage to the toy colours.

It's a "garage kit". If you have mad skillz you can paint it gold. Aaaaaaaaaaand why not invest on a "new" mold for Metalhawk instead of recycling one?

The original and the garage kit are technically very simple designs.

And, Metalhawk wasn't bulky. More like a slim built fast hit and run warrior.

But then, its the corporate mindset to milk the most on an invested mold (cough Jetfire cough Seekers). I get that. But given that the character is/was a heavy hitter JP wise.....more like an Optimus type character in Masterforce until Ginrai took over and an equivalent to Starsaber (who IDW turned into a psychopath). Metalhawk really deserves his own mold/design.

Insurgent wrote:You know, looking at those Metalhawk pics, I think I'm liking him more. I may keep him from the boxoset afterall.
And, quote from somewhere, yes, Overlord is just an upscaled G1 toy. And while he's not a perfect Overlord (I don't like his helmet, it looks doofy like Sixshot's does), he's of a decent size for my shelf and not way, way expensive like the third party one. Which is why I'm more forgiving of this guy than Trupticon being the same.
And, whoever was mentioning about the right chest flap. Takara doesn't need to do anything, you can see that's got a hinge on the outside like the left, so it's safe to say both chests open and store a titan master. Although I would have preferred if his blue was a bit darker, make him a little more menacing.

Takara can and WILL make the figure (Overlord) more sellable to their market! Ginrai ahem is the precedent. They can put in "another" Headmaster instead of just one. An angry/sad face and a smiling face ala the happy/sad masks of showbiz



The Mega armor could be the happy while Giga armor the angry or vice versa could represent that

Colors? Well, wait for the Takara version. More anime leaning color palate. The Legends figures attest to that.

fenrir72 wrote: Metalhawk really deserves his own mold/design.

And yet Ultra Magnus exists who is just a repaint in a suit.

How many times has Prime and Megatron been repainted into other characters?

Actually, you're right. Takara put heads in with their legends, and the vehicles with the deluxes, so they're not against doing stuff like that. And if Sky Shadow's TM looks like Mega, and Overlord's looks like Giga (or whichever way around it is), then they could put both in with this leader. And have a neutral face and an angry face.

Deadput wrote:Anyways I think were all surprised that Black Shadow looks more interesting.

I think its all simply the colours and the head. Black Shadow (and even sixshot, I will give him that) have a really nice inegration of the face and helmet. The face really looks close to helmet as if it could be all one sculpted piece. Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.









Also, while both have their G1 colours, he black and red scheme has aged very well, while the colours on Overlord look very retro. It works on the G1 toy because that is a retro toy, but it looks off when you add the modern articulation. This mold not being done for Black Shadow makes Black Shadow much more of an update and different from his G1 toy (like a good old Classics take), but with Overlord, it is just the G1 toy again. And at that point, then why not just rerelease the G1 toy? Everything would work, the retro colours would work with ther etro articulation and add to the charm fo it all. If your gonna go retro, why not go all the way? Or else you end up in this weird no mans land that Sixshot (and seemingly the clones) all live in.

And speaking of preffering the pretools over the intended molds. I actually preffer that Lazer Prime repint over Octane. Octane aint bad at all, but that Lazer Prime, holy ****!

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also if someone can confirm...I assume what was shown at NYTF was not all of the remainder of the TR line? Or was all of wave 5 and 6 basically revealed?

I'm pretty sure most of wave 5 was revealed and none of wave 6. Wave 5 so far (might be missing a few):
TM Ramhorn
Legends Cosmos (re-issue) and Seaspray
Deluxe Windblade and Topspin
Voyager Blitzwing and Octone
Leader Overlord

Yup, we still have no clue what is in wave 6 (though the leader has been rumoured to be Deathsaurus ).

As for wave 5, they still didnt show titan master Optimus and they didnt show Deluxe Misfire.

william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.

Kinda like ol' Soundwave.

Laser Prime is pretty boss I agree for me I'm going to use my imaginative headcanon to justify having another version of G2 Prime as a version of Nemesis Prime pretending to be Optimus kinda of like how in Transformers Prime the human built Nemesis was used to frame Optimus for crimes.

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.

Kinda like ol' Soundwave.

Out of all the helmets on the leader class figures the only one that looks obviously not part of the titan master to me is Soundwave due to his visor looking really sunked in the helmet.

Overlord's helmet isn't spectacular but it doesn't look horrible either so it'll do since I have no budget for 3rd parties heck I've never been invited to a party in my life.

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.

Kinda like ol' Soundwave.

Yes, he was exactly what I was thinking for an example of how it doesnt work.

I still like that Soundwave though, way more than I would have thought. I dont mind the idea of budget MP scale. its a fun scale and the transformations are enjoyable and you dont have to worry about breaking anything. And I like being able to play it next to my kid and not saying she cant touch it. Although speaking of playing with our kids, those RID combiners are going to be perfect.

Anyways, man that Black Shadow looks cool! I really like how much retooling is onvolved in the jet/torso part. is there any obvious part sharing at all for that segment?

And cobo, how do you like that ramhorn research?

Deadput wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.

Kinda like ol' Soundwave.

Out of all the helmets on the leader class figures the only one that looks obviously not part of the titan master to me is Soundwave due to his visor looking really sunked in the helmet.

Overlord's helmet isn't spectacular but it doesn't look horrible either so it'll do since I have no budget for 3rd parties heck I've never been invited to a party in my life.

It was the main reason I did not pick up TR Soundwave, despite him being $110 cheaper than his Masterpiece....I'm fortunate enough to have had some funds to make that choice at the time, but that may not be the case with Overlord. (Unless I save ALL THE PENNIES!)

I can't help but also prefer Black Shadow for this wave of Leaders - if I see him, it may be impossible for me to pass him up. I need to contemplate TR Overlord a bit longer....

I would say Sixshot doesn't look great to me. It's the headband part of his helmet, it looks like it covers his eyes a bit too much.

But like Deadput says, it's not a dealbreaker, especially given the alternative. And kinda sorta is ok as Overlord always felt like he was wearing a helmet like Megatron anyway. If only it wasn't quite as doofy.

william-james88 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.

Kinda like ol' Soundwave.

Yes, he was exactly what I was thinking for an example of how it doesnt work.

I still like that Soundwave though, way more than I would have thought. I dont mind the idea of budget MP scale. its a fun scale and the transformations are enjoyable and you dont have to worry about breaking anything. And I like being able to play it next to my kid and not saying she cant touch it. Although speaking of playing with our kids, those RID combiners are going to be perfect.

Anyways, man that Black Shadow looks cool! I really like how much retooling is onvolved in the jet/torso part. is there any obvious part sharing at all for that segment?

And cobo, how do you like that ramhorn research?

You know what's up Will! My son (3) prefers the G1 and main line of toys, rather than RID - he finds them either too easy to transform, or just prefers the looks of the others. Thet's good and bad, but for the most part, both kids ask for my help when they have a more delicate figure in-hand.

If I let them out of the cupboard, drawers, etc.

....I'm talking about my TFs, not the kids, btw. ;p

My son is almost 11 so he prefers Generations toys to RiD, which is for sure reasonable. But I think we are both looking forward to the combiners in RiD. While most of our CW/UW are displayed, what he has of TR is played with constantly. He lost interest in RiD when Deployers and mini-cons basically vanished, but the combiners are definitely going to respark his interest in that line.

bodrock wrote:....I'm talking about my TFs, not the kids, btw. ;p

My little girl is younger than your kids, so she actually preffers more solid pieces that have obvious articulation points. Power Ranger zords are more her thing for now, especially the ones that can also roll. Those stunticons and galvatronus dudes will work really well.

o.supreme wrote: He lost interest in RiD when Deployers and mini-cons basically vanished, but the combiners are definitely going to respark his interest in that line.

Those ball type deployers were especially fun and did agood job at what the line seemed to be going for. My girl likes those too.

Insurgent wrote:I would say Sixshot doesn't look great to me. It's the headband part of his helmet, it looks like it covers his eyes a bit too much.

But like Deadput says, it's not a dealbreaker, especially given the alternative. And kinda sorta is ok as Overlord always felt like he was wearing a helmet like Megatron anyway. If only it wasn't quite as doofy.

I'm pretty sure there have been some people who have trimmed Sixshot's helmet to be thinner or something like that.

I'm pretty sure I've seen two or three threads about it.

william-james88 wrote:

bodrock wrote:....I'm talking about my TFs, not the kids, btw. ;p

My little girl is younger than your kids, so she actually preffers more solid pieces that have obvious articulation points. Power Ranger zords are more her thing for now, especially the ones that can also roll. Those stunticons and galvatronus dudes will work really well.

o.supreme wrote: He lost interest in RiD when Deployers and mini-cons basically vanished, but the combiners are definitely going to respark his interest in that line.

Those ball type deployers were especially fun and did agood job at what the line seemed to be going for. My girl likes those too.

I knew I should have snagged that Back when I saw him. He might still be there actually under a mound of other Minicons.

I do love those Minicons.

Wait, they're making inner robot Metalhawk without his Titanium Saber? They can't do that, that's his signature weapon!

That's like if they were to make Star Saber or G2 Laser Optimus or RiD Scourge/CR Black Convoy without their respective swords.

Deadput wrote:How many times has Prime and Megatron been repainted into other characters?

More times than you think, though Megatron redecos tend to be one-time characters, except for Megaplex:

Optimus Prime
Ginrai
Ultra Magnus
Nemesis Prime
Toxitron
Motormaster
G2 Sureshot (Ok, that one's a cheat)
Pepsi Convoy
MP-1B Convoy Black Version (Eldedroid)
Magna Convoy

Megatron
G2 Archforce (same type of cheat as with G2 Sureshot)
Megaplex
BWII Thrust
RM Air Hunter
RiD 2001 Wind Sheer
BWII Megastorm
BM T-Wrecks
RiD 2001 Cryotek
RiD 2001 Megabolt
Armada Predacon
Universe 2003 Megazarak
TFCC Rampage
RiD Bludgeon
RM Reverse Convoy
e-Hobby Megalligator

That should be all of them...

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, they're making inner robot Metalhawk without his Titanium Saber? They can't do that, that's his signature weapon!

That's like if they were to make Star Saber or G2 Laser Optimus or RiD Scourge/CR Black Convoy without their respective swords.

Had Triggerhappy been retooled just a little more, he could have benefited from extra accessories. As it is now, he's just a straight redeco with a new faceplate. I'm curious if that one's "built in".

:EDIT: and I wanted to see a Trizer reveal!

Just saw Quake, Krok and TWINFERNO at Walgreens!

Where's Kup & Topspin....the HUNT CONTINUES

Was the release date for the box set sets ever given?

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, they're making inner robot Metalhawk without his Titanium Saber? They can't do that, that's his signature weapon!

That's like if they were to make Star Saber or G2 Laser Optimus or RiD Scourge/CR Black Convoy without their respective swords.

Isn't that happening in the other boxset?

Insurgent wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, they're making inner robot Metalhawk without his Titanium Saber? They can't do that, that's his signature weapon!

That's like if they were to make Star Saber or G2 Laser Optimus or RiD Scourge/CR Black Convoy without their respective swords.

Isn't that happening in the other boxset?

Yes, but the point is that the swords are iconic to those characters or certain incarnations, that omitting them would be blasphemous. Like here:


Transformers Convention & Club Exclusives Metalhawk Gallery

Interestingly enough, since the Autobot Pretenders in Masterforce just looked like ordinary guys in business suits when inside their "shells", and didn't take up their armored human appearances as often, the inner robots are their more iconic battle forms so this Metalhawk out of Triggerhappy homaging purely the inner robot works super well for me. The colors, the mold choice, the new head, it just works. I wish I could say the same for Tidal Wave but I can't. He just doesn't work for me. Maybe because I never cared much for him to begin with. Super Ginrai looks great, I would quite like to know why he's "Magnus Prime" though. Honestly that name would better apply to Hasbro's PMOP since he at least shares more parts with CW Ultra Magnus. Quickswitch looks like a thing, an expensive thing that I have no attachment to and no incentive to get. Nautica is disappointing. G2 prime is cool. The clones look okay, and I don't really care about the diecast titan masters. So I may end up getting one of these box sets. As for the mainline stuff, Overlord looks fantastic and is a must buy. Come on people he's appeared in what, 3 issues of MTMTE and you expected that over his iconic look from the series people were begging to get a US release? So yeah I'm happy with him. The jumpstarters look good and I'll probably get them. Windblade is a maybe, I'm pretty happy with her Thrilling 30 version and the proportions on this one seem off. Plus being a headmaster compromises her unique head structure. I don't really like how Blitzwing looks enough to replace my T30 version, and Octane/Octone looks good so I'll probably get him to replace Universe 2.0 Tankor.