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Isn't there a chance that the CW Leader seekers are supposed to scale well with he MP line?

Anyone think there's a chance a 3rd party will make a nice, accurate, articulated head for Galvatron?
I still can't get over how weird the current one looks, which is annoying when the rest of the figure looks on point. I don't care about the 2nd alt mode.
And I'm assuming at voyager class (btw I think that's perfect) there should be fewer QC issues.
Especially because I agree the transformation looks really basic. Which I'd prefer anyway.

I could totally see a 3rd party set with a new (complete) head, possibly an extra with a different expression, a matrix on a real chain, and a crushed movie-style crown that's been sculpted to fit under his foot. Maybe even the lazer sword and gun that Megatron used to take down Prime in the movie.

I didn't mind Leader Megatron towering over everyone in CW, but I'm happy we get a voyager version. Especially one so IDW-esque. I don't have the leader class Jetfire from the Generations line, unfortunately, but he's another that I feel wouldn't be out of place being so tall. The rest of the leader class guys don't work standing next to deluxes and voyagers, but I sure do love my Thundercracker anyway. At the same time I don't need or want Skywarp or Starscream due to the scaling issues. TC is all by himself on a random shelf so he doesn't interfere with scaling. Poor guy.

I'm glad to have some easy passes in the TR line. I have no strong desire for the Blaster, Soundwave, or PMOP. Base modes might be tempting, but I'll hold out until I can get them for $25-35 bucks like I did with leader Thundercracker IF I feel like I want some more expansive displays.

Triggerhappy is my most awaited figure from TR. I don't know the character well and I didn't have the G1 toy but I think he looks amazing!

Devastator was obviously meant to be in-scale with Masterpieces originally, and I think they did Leader Megs and the Seeks to be in-scale with him, so in the end yes. The leaders are in-scale with MPs.

SillySpringer wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:And I still haven't got my good voyager seekers that I really want....

Voyager scaled Seekers are my Transformers "Holy Grail." And no, the recent "Cyber Battalion" Starscream doesn't do it for me. I've VERY particular about my seekers. I want them to look as G1 as possible in sculpt AND deco. The deluxe United Seekers Aces and Elites are perfect, except for their relative size among the rest of the Classics line at large.

I feel the CW Leader Seekers are just meant to be replacements for Masterpiece if you need to save money. Same with Leader Megatron. I think the fact that they are coming out with a voyager Megatron soon also kinda disproves the falsity that is the belief that they are not going to do a good voyager Rodimus Prime and/or voyager Seekers. I am just wondering though what the Seekers' and Rodimus' third modes would be.

If they are going triple changing for the voyagers, I'd rather they not tackled the seekers and rodimus rn. I can't imagine anything good coming from it without compromise.

Talking of which, there's a ton more gimmicks in this line than headmasters, huh? Triple changing, base modes, cassettes... six-changing if that Sixshot isn't compromised. I swear at this rate the last Prime Wars line will just be sticking every other 80s gimmick in there; pretenders, targetmasters, powermasters, friggin' action masters will get an update.

Kurona wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:And I still haven't got my good voyager seekers that I really want....

Voyager scaled Seekers are my Transformers "Holy Grail." And no, the recent "Cyber Battalion" Starscream doesn't do it for me. I've VERY particular about my seekers. I want them to look as G1 as possible in sculpt AND deco. The deluxe United Seekers Aces and Elites are perfect, except for their relative size among the rest of the Classics line at large.

I feel the CW Leader Seekers are just meant to be replacements for Masterpiece if you need to save money. Same with Leader Megatron. I think the fact that they are coming out with a voyager Megatron soon also kinda disproves the falsity that is the belief that they are not going to do a good voyager Rodimus Prime and/or voyager Seekers. I am just wondering though what the Seekers' and Rodimus' third modes would be.

If they are going triple changing for the voyagers, I'd rather they not tackled the seekers and rodimus rn. I can't imagine anything good coming from it without compromise.

Talking of which, there's a ton more gimmicks in this line than headmasters, huh? Triple changing, base modes, cassettes... six-changing if that Sixshot isn't compromised. I swear at this rate the last Prime Wars line will just be sticking every other 80s gimmick in there; pretenders, targetmasters, powermasters, friggin' action masters will get an update.

Action Masters are already being used in TR with the Titan Masters and the little vehicles.

SillySpringer wrote:

Kurona wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:And I still haven't got my good voyager seekers that I really want....

Voyager scaled Seekers are my Transformers "Holy Grail." And no, the recent "Cyber Battalion" Starscream doesn't do it for me. I've VERY particular about my seekers. I want them to look as G1 as possible in sculpt AND deco. The deluxe United Seekers Aces and Elites are perfect, except for their relative size among the rest of the Classics line at large.

I feel the CW Leader Seekers are just meant to be replacements for Masterpiece if you need to save money. Same with Leader Megatron. I think the fact that they are coming out with a voyager Megatron soon also kinda disproves the falsity that is the belief that they are not going to do a good voyager Rodimus Prime and/or voyager Seekers. I am just wondering though what the Seekers' and Rodimus' third modes would be.

If they are going triple changing for the voyagers, I'd rather they not tackled the seekers and rodimus rn. I can't imagine anything good coming from it without compromise.

Talking of which, there's a ton more gimmicks in this line than headmasters, huh? Triple changing, base modes, cassettes... six-changing if that Sixshot isn't compromised. I swear at this rate the last Prime Wars line will just be sticking every other 80s gimmick in there; pretenders, targetmasters, powermasters, friggin' action masters will get an update.

Action Masters are already being used in TR with the Titan Masters and the little vehicles.

Those animal weapons are very action master-y!

Now I want some Pretender action in this line. Specifically a whale shell for Tidal Wave!

Mr Skram wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Action Masters are already being used in TR with the Titan Masters and the little vehicles.

Those animal weapons are very action master-y!

Now I want some Pretender action in this line. Specifically a whale shell for Tidal Wave!

Haha we'll see. XD I kinda doubt that though somehow. Who knows though.

SillySpringer wrote:Haha we'll see. XD I kinda doubt that though somehow. Who knows though.

Just some wishful thinking.

Mr Skram wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Haha we'll see. XD I kinda doubt that though somehow. Who knows though.

Just some wishful thinking.

I don't really care for pretenders though so I probably would boycott most of the line.

I DO however hope for a new Minicon line, but I guess that is also wishful thinking.

SillySpringer wrote:

Kurona wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:And I still haven't got my good voyager seekers that I really want....

Voyager scaled Seekers are my Transformers "Holy Grail." And no, the recent "Cyber Battalion" Starscream doesn't do it for me. I've VERY particular about my seekers. I want them to look as G1 as possible in sculpt AND deco. The deluxe United Seekers Aces and Elites are perfect, except for their relative size among the rest of the Classics line at large.

I feel the CW Leader Seekers are just meant to be replacements for Masterpiece if you need to save money. Same with Leader Megatron. I think the fact that they are coming out with a voyager Megatron soon also kinda disproves the falsity that is the belief that they are not going to do a good voyager Rodimus Prime and/or voyager Seekers. I am just wondering though what the Seekers' and Rodimus' third modes would be.

If they are going triple changing for the voyagers, I'd rather they not tackled the seekers and rodimus rn. I can't imagine anything good coming from it without compromise.

Talking of which, there's a ton more gimmicks in this line than headmasters, huh? Triple changing, base modes, cassettes... six-changing if that Sixshot isn't compromised. I swear at this rate the last Prime Wars line will just be sticking every other 80s gimmick in there; pretenders, targetmasters, powermasters, friggin' action masters will get an update.

Action Masters are already being used in TR with the Titan Masters and the little vehicles.

My god... it's begun.

... kinda want a Gutcruncher or Mainframe headmaster now.

william-james88 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Galvatron should tower above the others. Thus one will be smaller than Blasterwave.

These figures are not meant to scale with oneanother. CW/UW had the same thing with 3 different size classes for the seekers:

Perhaps i didnt explain myself well. It's not a matter of scale to me, it's a matter if character. Galvatron's character towers above others, and deserves to have that represented in toy form.

Just as the characters of many deserve their own molds, and not repaints.

I don't recall Galvatron towering over anyone though. Maybe in attitude, but not physically.

I can see the point though. I really love big bots when it comes to faction commanders and such. the primes, Megs, Galvs, they deserve leaders to me since they are meant to be the "big guys" so to speak, which is why I love my movie leaders so much

I get that I guess. I originally had some farfetched plans to turn CW Armada Megs into a Galvatron.

SillySpringer wrote:Devastator was obviously meant to be in-scale with Masterpieces originally, and I think they did Leader Megs and the Seeks to be in-scale with him, so in the end yes. The leaders are in-scale with MPs.

Why say obviously when you have no clue? The design was based on an early mp devaststor attempt but not the scale. Takara actually suggested a devastator made of 5 leader figures to Hasbro, that was confirmed. It was Hasbro who settled on having th voyagers. The mp scale had nothing to do with it.

You did make a good point earlier though when you brought up voyager megs, it does confirm that the leader we got was not meant to be part of the wider classics scale. And he is too short to work with the mp figures. He only works with the leader seekers, blasyet, Soundwave and Devy.

We have 3 scales at play right now but people can mix and match as they wish.

I am still itching so badly to get a Dark of the Moon Leader Class Sentinel Prime. He's the only movie figure I actually want so badly. I want him more than RotF/DotM Leader Optimus. Leader class toys just are not what they used to be eh?

That aside, I am fairly content with the new Leader size, but I hope they start doing an "Ultimate class" or something in the same size as the old leaders.

william-james88 wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:Devastator was obviously meant to be in-scale with Masterpieces originally, and I think they did Leader Megs and the Seeks to be in-scale with him, so in the end yes. The leaders are in-scale with MPs.

Why say obviously when you have no clue? The design was based on an early mp devaststor attempt but not the scale. Takara actually suggested a devastator made of 5 leader figures to Hasbro, that was confirmed. It was Hasbro who settled on having th voyagers. The mp scale had nothing to do with it.

You did make a good point earlier though when you brought up voyager megs, it does confirm that the leader we got was not meant to be part of the wider classics scale. And he is too short to work with the mp figures. He only works with the leader seekers, blasyet, Soundwave and Devy.

We have 3 scales at play right now but people can mix and match as they wish.

Well, I don't know exactly, but it seems relatively plain when you compare MPs with Devastator. It's so close.

Also, I am actually fine about Devy and the Constructicons being voyager-sized since I always think of them as behemoths anyhow. In my opinion, they go better with voyager OPs and Megs just for the sake of giving him more magnitude, and not G1 accuracy. Also, I think in the comics the Constucticons are sometimes larger, but CERTAINLY Devastator mode.

For the record, I would quite like a Leader Galvatron to happen at one point; but I also want the Voyager one more. I need a Voyager for displaying with the other guys, a Leader one is more a novelty or one that can be displayed on it's own. It'd be cool, but really not the priority.

william-james88 wrote:Why say obviously when you have no clue? The design was based on an early mp devaststor attempt but not the scale. Takara actually suggested a devastator made of 5 leader figures to Hasbro, that was confirmed. It was Hasbro who settled on having th voyagers. The mp scale had nothing to do with it.

Wait, what!? TAKARA at one point suggested FIVE leader Constructicons for Devastator!? Not SIX!? Takara equals G1 accuracy; Takara proposal is not G1 accurate. Does not compute! ERROR! ERROR!

Sorry, silly, but Devestator is nowhere near the level of Masterpiece. The gestalt maybe impressive to some, but the individual bits are little more than oversized rescue bots.

Kurona wrote:For the record, I would quite like a Leader Galvatron to happen at one point; but I also want the Voyager one more. I need a Voyager for displaying with the other guys, a Leader one is more a novelty or one that can be displayed on it's own. It'd be cool, but really not the priority.

Agreed. I feel we need a leader Tidalwave more.

Ironhidensh wrote:Sorry, silly, but Devestator is nowhere near the level of Masterpiece. The gestalt maybe impressive to some, but the individual bits are little more than oversized rescue bots.

It's talking more about scale. I don't think anyone here in their right minds would compare the CW/UW constructicons to the insane level of articulation and detail the Masterpieces have.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why say obviously when you have no clue? The design was based on an early mp devaststor attempt but not the scale. Takara actually suggested a devastator made of 5 leader figures to Hasbro, that was confirmed. It was Hasbro who settled on having th voyagers. The mp scale had nothing to do with it.

Wait, what!? TAKARA at one point suggested FIVE leader Constructicons for Devastator!? Not SIX!? Takara equals G1 accuracy; Takara proposal is not G1 accurate. Does not compute! ERROR! ERROR!

Don't start having rabbies due to me, I meant 6, my bad.

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why say obviously when you have no clue? The design was based on an early mp devaststor attempt but not the scale. Takara actually suggested a devastator made of 5 leader figures to Hasbro, that was confirmed. It was Hasbro who settled on having th voyagers. The mp scale had nothing to do with it.

Wait, what!? TAKARA at one point suggested FIVE leader Constructicons for Devastator!? Not SIX!? Takara equals G1 accuracy; Takara proposal is not G1 accurate. Does not compute! ERROR! ERROR!

Don't start having rabbies due to me, I meant 6, my bad.

Oh, thank DOG! Everything is right with the world again!

Is it just me or does Mindwipe's bat mode remind anyone else of this:



And Crashbash is officially the first stock photo victim of TR.