I have TR Scourge and Universe Cyclonus next to TR Galvy, and I think they look fine at the height they are. I'm of the opinion that it's Rodimus Prime who most needs a version on par with Galvatron height-wise. That said, if I had to pick one of Galvatron's guys to make taller with a WFC redo it would be Cyclonus. I think it suits him a bit more, plus his Prime Wars figure is a Silverbolt retool (meaning A. combiner baggage and B. his wings are on his back rather than attached to his arms as they should be) rather than being truly his own mold.Sentinel_Primal wrote:The only major figure I can think of from the Prime Wars that I think needs to be redone is Scourge, only because he was a deluxe while Galvatron and Cyclonus were voyagers. That might be closer scale wise, but I always thought of those three as the same height, with the Sweeps being a bit smaller despite being identical in most respects to Scourge.
I disagree on all of that (except the figure not having any accessories, but IN MY OPINION the figure was so bad the accessories wouldn't have saved it) but we have had a lengthy discussion on this before, no need to rehash it. We disagree, let's leave it at that.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I don't find PotP Grimlock underwhelming at all. He's magnificently G1-accurate in robot and dino modes. I can see people finding the torso mode lacking (although I don't), but the robot and dino modes are delightfully articulated - and aside from the minor changes for the combined mode, replicate the G1 figure's detailing pretty much greeble-for-greeble. The transformation is also very close; the most notable differences are his tail forming the back of his robot mode lower legs (both to economize on mass and make the robot mode a bit neater) and the robot torso splitting in half for its upward migration.Rodimus Prime wrote:Honestly, I was hoping Grimlock and Hot Rod/Rodimus were going to get a break in this line, but the figures we got in PoTP for both characters were underwhelming, so maybe it wouldn't hurt to get them in WFC. A leader Grimlock, voyagers for Snarl and Sludge, and deluxe for Slag and Swoop. But the 4 other Dinos got treated well in PoTP, so I doubt we'll get figures for them. Having said that, I would like WFC to focus on characters that have never gotten proper figures, or haven't gotten any since the 80s. (Firecons!!!)
Size-wise, he's fairly good. Comes up short next to CW Optimus, admittedly, but he undoubtedly scales just fine against SIEGE and Earthrise Optimus. So unless most of the extra mass was made up of accessories (which are the one area I find PotP Grimlock really does fall short), a Leader would make him way too big.
Rodimus was better than Grimlock, but the trailer parts IN MY OPINION were too clumsy and chunky. I liked how the engineering and transformation was done, but it still came out a disappointing figure for me. I like the base figure, but the "evolved" mode is not that good. Ironically, I find the opposite to be true with Optimus from PoTP. Great "evolved" mode (even with the ugly gray parts that could have been painted red ) but disappointing Orion Pax figure. If only they could have figured out how to reduce the kibble on his back, he would have been good.As for Rodimus Prime, I never found the PotP Leader underwhelming. I find him cool on his own, he finally gives us a Rodimus Prime in scale with the G1 Galvatron toy, and among CHUG figures he makes for a decent powered-up rebuild version. But he is out of scale with them as far as a normal Rodimus Prime goes; that and the battle station are why I want a Leader Roddy in WFC.
G2 and homages aren't the same a proper G1.Saying we haven't had the Firecons since the '80s isn't quite accurate. Flamefeather and Sparkstalker had G2 versions in Europe, so as far as the Firecons as themselves that puts the date in the '90s. As far as homage versions go, there was a BotCon G2 Cindersaur in 2010 to sorta-complete the G2 Firecon set, a Cindersaur redeco of Prime Rippersnapper, Bot Shots Cindersaur, and most recently the Cindersaur headswap redeco of PotP Slash.
Which is what I am asking for.The Firecons, especially Cindersaur, are definitely on HasTak's radar. So proper versions could still happen.
Emerje wrote:BTW, we're long overdue for a proper Leader Grimlock that's just a big figure in a box. No base parts or playset parts or transforming throne or whatever. Just a big scale accurate robot that turns into an even bigger t-rex, a gun, a RED sword (sorry, Zelda) and maybe a crown. Also should have a mostly G1 toy/cartoon transformation with a few adjustments, no need for doing something radically different like with Optimus.
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Wow, Hoist is a giant among Deluxes. I had seen him in pics next to Wheeljack and just assumed WJ was a short figure (I mean shorter than he really is). How does Hoist compare to Ironhide and his mold mates? Same? Taller? Shows a lot of promise for other tall characters that may not be worthy of a Voyager like a lot of post-movie characters.
BTW, we're long overdue for a proper Leader Grimlock that's just a big figure in a box. No base parts or playset parts or transforming throne or whatever. Just a big scale accurate robot that turns into an even bigger t-rex, a gun, a RED sword (sorry, Zelda) and maybe a crown. Also should have a mostly G1 toy/cartoon transformation with a few adjustments, no need for doing something radically different like with Optimus.
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LeAwesome1 wrote:Does anyone know if we have had any confirmation of Thundercracker and Skywarp being retooled from this ER mould? I know it is probably inevitable but I don't want to get Starscream without being able to complete the trio, as I already have the classics trio.
According to this fight, Cyclonus's wings are attached to his back in the show rather than to his shoulders like on the original toy:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:his wings are on his back rather than attached to his arms as they should be)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Except it's not exactly the same. The Coneheads all had appearances on Sky Lynx's boxart and Thrust is outright named in a listing. There have been no such hints of the other Datsuns. That's why in another post I said there hasn't been so much as a whisper of them.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. For the umpteenth bloody time, Smokescreen is the only confirmed ER Datsun so far. And Smokescreen's SIEGE version was A. extra-off compared to Prowl and Bluestreak and B. not as accessible.Tuned Agent wrote:But Siege and ER molds for Optimus, Megatron, and the datsuns... don't. They're pretty much the same, the ER molds are just that much more G1-accurate in both modes.
Yes, technically Smokescreen is the only one confirmed yet. But if we're honest with ourselves, there's a better chance of a new Animated Prowl being made and it being redecoed into Bluestreak and Smokescreen than the other two datsun bros not being made from the ER mold. The same thing can be said for the seekers, Starscream is the only specific one that has been confirmed.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Because they were shackled by the cartoon robot modes. Optimus' robot mode is too boxy and too simple to be able to do too much else with his truck mode; there's not a lot to him that could have been repurposed like they did with the Seekers' ducts and wings.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2a. Optimus tries to be different with the giant roof lights that no Earth truck I've ever seen has, and the see-through grille, and I think it works.
2b. There's only so much you can do with G1 Optimus while sticking to the cartoon robot mode.
That's my point though. If Hasbro had truly intended Siege Optimus to represent a "different" look/design for the character, even if just for the alt mode, they easily could have done more to make him different that a few aesthetic changes to his G1 truck mode. They did it with the Siege seekers, why couldn't they have done it with others?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. IMO battle damage doesn't count. 2. The shins are still tank bits rather than Bakelite-grip Walther handle, so not really. They're slightly more accurate at the front, but it's not enough to make a real difference. 3. The pelvis differences are trivial. 4. SIEGE Megatron's headsculpt is equally G1-accurate. Megatron's head in the cartoon is a bloody mess, because it's actually based on a misinterpretation of his toy's head as seen in the packaging art (the same thing that turned Hound's rifle into a small pistol); this results in a lot of inconsistency in how it's drawn. Whether the outer helmet's cheeks are angled in and by how much perpetually fluctuates from episode to episode and shot to shot (even in the damn movie!), same for whether it's drawn with the toy-accurate ridges on the back (which the SIEGE head has), the exact shape of it constantly changes... So there's a fair bit of wiggle room as far as the accuracy of Megs' stupid noggin. I personally favor the SIEGE head more, since it has that extra touch of toy detail.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:3. You're counting MEGATRON in the "That much more G1-accurate"?
He doesn't have battle damage splatter and his shins, pelvis and headsculpt are all more G1 accurate, so yes, by definition he is "that much more G1-accurate".
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Whuh? ER Optimus is G1 cartoon Earth Mode Optimus, both cab and trailer. That gives him decidedly more in common with the PotP Evolution figure than SIEGE Starscream - who is a Tetrajet - has with PotP Starscream (an Earth jet). Or did you mean to say ER Starscream?Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:No, he couldn't have. Because they had just done a G1 cartoon Optimus Prime with trailer at the Leader-class price point in Power of the Primes. Did you completely overlook that? Thanks to PotP, the Warden-obligatory Leader Optimus in SIEGE had to be something different. But they still wanted a more G1 Optimus in there (As far as Generations goes, Optimus is the new Bumblebee).Tuned Agent wrote:And yes, ER Prime got a trailer, but I'm talking about the base figure. And the trailer doesn't necessarily give a reason for Siege Prime's existence. Siege Prime easily could have gotten the trailer treatment had he been leader class,
Also IMO it's less "the trailer justifies SIEGE Prime's existence" and more "The trailer justifies Earthrise Prime's existence".
No, I didn't overlook that, it's just not relevant anymore. ER Optimus is no less different from PotP Optimus than Siege Starscream is from PotP Starscream
Because they couldn't have done another Voyager Earth mode Starscream immediately after PotP any more than they could have done another Leader G1 Optimus cab and trailer immediately after PotP.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:How does my point that they couldn't have done another Leader cab-and-trailer G1 cartoon Optimus immediately after PotP, that the Optimus toys in SIEGE had to be different from the immediately-preceding Optimus, not make sense?Tuned Agent wrote:Your point would have made sense a couple years ago, but not now.
Tuned Agent wrote:There was a listing for Thrust? I must have missed that, scratch that comparison then. My point still stands about Prowl and Bluestreak, though. Barring a reduction of product production due to coronavirus, there's a 99.9% chance they're coming sooner or later.
If there's something the current design team excels at, it's coming up with creative transformation schemes. I'm pretty confident they could they could come up with something that isn't most of him folded into a box with his legs sticking out the back. .
william-james88 wrote:Tuned Agent wrote:There was a listing for Thrust? I must have missed that, scratch that comparison then. My point still stands about Prowl and Bluestreak, though. Barring a reduction of product production due to coronavirus, there's a 99.9% chance they're coming sooner or later.
If there's something the current design team excels at, it's coming up with creative transformation schemes. I'm pretty confident they could they could come up with something that isn't most of him folded into a box with his legs sticking out the back. .
Here is the listing for Thrust
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ore/44559/
As for the comment about creative Transformations, I never felt that, at least not generally. Some stubborn fans ignored the 2015 RID line, but looking back it had far more creative transformations. Of course, its due to there being new characters and designs. The Studio Series line also has interesting transformations since the designers are not basing them on previous toys (for the most part). But for all the generations lines, the transformations felt rather meat and potatoes rather than OMG because in many cases we were getting G1 with more articulation. Some wowed me, like Legends Blurr, the Jumpstarters, Triggerhappy, Siege Optimus, and most recently Earthrise Cliffjumper. I also really liked Kup and Ironhide/Ratchet. But for the most part, it's more about looking the part than reinventing the wheel. Just my opinion of course.
I have no idea what you and Rodimus are doing wrong to have so much trouble with your Grimlocks. I really don't. Especially if you're having issues with just Grimlock on his own. The only PotP Dinobot I have problems with is Slash, and that's only because I have her holding both Ptero's vehicle and Lionizer (which can be a bit much for her feet).Stargrave wrote:PotP Dinobots make me want to love them more than they’re actually awesome. I mean you can’t move Grim’s arms without him literally falling apart. Same for Volcanicus I want to love him but he just falls to pieces when you try to move him nothing stays pegged. It’s like they didn’t learn from Sky Lynx’s gestalt shoulder problem.
Sorry had to chime in now back to Earthrise...
Rodimus Prime wrote:Why do you assume that we're doing something wrong? Isn't it possible that our Grimlock figures are faulty? Moreover, isn't it possible that the figure is just lousy in general? I'm glad that you enjoy the figure, maybe you got one that doesn't fall apart in torso mode at the addition of limbs that it's supposedly designed to support. Maybe you have lower expectations. My PoTP Grimlock is a floppy mess and a disappointment all around. Plain and uninspiring robot mode, ugly and awkward dino mode, and the torso just proves why the Dinobots don't need to be combiners, not with Grimlock anyway. They actually make good limbs for Sky Lynx. If there will be a Grimlock in WFC, the design and quality better be cranked up, especially if it's a leader. As for the other 2, I've said my piece. I'm getting ready to sell some of my collection, so if you're interested in PoTP Prime, let me know.
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A shame about yours, then.Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, my Grimlock is that bad as well. His chest will just pop open on its own. So Zelda probably got lucky and got a well functioning copy. And yes, Zelda, I did make sure the tabs were in the right slots and no dice. Once I slide in the arms (Slag and Swoop), the tabs come out. I thought I answered that already, so my bad. Volcanicus in itself is not horrible, if he could stay in one piece. I'm tempted to superglue the tabs into the slots and have Grimlock in permanent torso mode, especially since I don't like his other modes anyway.
Anyway, you're right, back to Earthrise, before Burn drops the hammer for off-topic shenanigans. I like Soundwave as he is, though I haven't tried the G1 cassettes with him (they're staying with G1 Soundwave) nor do I own the Siege cassettes. However, what if Soundwave simply gets rereleased as a blue version of Soundblaster so that he would just have the bigger door? It would be kinda ironic.
It is. But from what I hear it's only barely enough depth for the second cassette, making for a tight squeeze with two loaded in. And it's my understanding that there's also only barely enough width and height clearance for the cassettes (meaning, cramped fit that makes it a bother to load them in and take them out).Rodimus Prime wrote:But wasn't the point of the bigger door so that both cassettes that were released in the 2-pack could fit?
The Classics reissue. It was originally meant for the Commemorative Series but when that flopped it got moved to the Classics line.Rodimus Prime wrote:And which Soundwave is that in the pic? I don't recall seeing that before.
Rodimus Prime wrote:But wasn't the point of the bigger door so that both cassettes that were released in the 2-pack could fit?
And which Soundwave is that in the pic? I don't recall seeing that before.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:But wasn't the point of the bigger door so that both cassettes that were released in the 2-pack could fit?
And which Soundwave is that in the pic? I don't recall seeing that before.
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