JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The weight is an important factor to consider, because of a property you should have learned in physics: density.
Even if the figures shrink in terms of height or volume, if the weight (technically its mass) remains the same, more is squeezed into a certain space, which results into more being possible when it comes to transformation, articulation and possibly the thickness and quality of the plastic.
Out of curiosity, with the standards set by Siege, how do figures of other lines weigh in? Not just the current Cyberverse line, but older main lines as well.
Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
durroth wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Honestly I'm more bothered by the fact Battletrap *does*, but that's just me.
william-james88 wrote:The recent Seibertron galleries have shown the Transformers Siege toys to be smaller than previous incarnations. For instance, Siege Megatron and Hound are shorter than Titans Return Megatron and Combiner Wars Hound respectively. But does that mean we are getting ripped off? Especially since the MSRP is now $19.99 for deluxes and $29.99 for voyagers? Well TF Fan West Lee, on Facebook, chose to look at this from a mass perspective. Figures in the past might be tall but if they are hollow, a very common complaint from fans, then maybe fixing that aspect might mean more material and thus lower the overall height for this line. And he found that this line offers more in terms of mass (and thus meterial) than previous lines. Here is what he had to say along with the images showing that Siege Megatron, for instance, has much more material than most other voyagers.
o.supreme wrote:So...our toys are getting fatter, like me, not necessarily a good thing
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
Black Hat wrote:You know one of the things I'm happiest about with Siege? The Weaponizer gimmick is entirely based around 5mm ports, which means not only can you (as Ryan did) go crazy with mega-combinations, but literally any figure with 5mm ports is technically cross-compatible with the line. Like, if I'm not very much mistaken, Cog's torso/shield component could easily mount on Rook's shoulder, which combined with his already-present "power fist" gimmick with his combiner hand would allow for him to take his "violence arm" thing up to 11. Likewise, MechTech figures from DOTM made ample use of 5mm pegs and ports, so they can join in the fun too.
o.supreme wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
I know you added that "retail" part to justify Punch/Counterpunch, but I'd like to see said mandate. Also you can spin it the opposite way. One could say that Skytread was initially planned to be part of PotP, but because it was reduced to a 12 month line, Hasbro cut costs by ditching the individual bot mode designs, and just released it as a deluxe for the Siege line. ...I'm not saying this has any merit, but it is just as likely theorizing.
I wouldn't use the term "bothered", but I am definitely disappointed that it doesn't. This is not because I necessarily want a Flywheels like that, it's because PotP Battletrap was amazing and I would like more toys similar to it.Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Galvatronian wrote:Hadn't quite seen it that way, as like some others I agreed that battletrap should have been like skytread, but you reminded me of the joy of him when I first got him (having no idea there was a combined mode) and just exactly why it won toy of the year.
On the other note, we ask for less hollow transformers, they give it, then we're unhappy they are smaller? it just stands to reason, you can't have tall toys, no hallowness, the same price, good in both alts modes AND that intuitive/complex but not too complex, with a twist of clever transformation, it just doesn't work. More plastic, higher price. Scale up sideswipe or hound by a cm (1/3 of an inch), and it's volume increases a lot, probably putting up to voyager price point. If you really want perfect bots to perfect scale, not just fun kids toys with a g1 aesthetic buy masterpiece!
Emerje wrote:I'm fine with some easily hidden gaps in the torso and hollowness in the arms and legs like we mostly see in combiners. What I can't overlook is what we've seen with Ironhide and his gaping holes.
How did that even get out of the production stage!? I'm seriously on the fence about getting him, he had better be a surprisingly large Deluxe to make up for all that empty space in his back and arms, but I doubt it looking at his SDCC display.
Emerje
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