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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:34 am

For a line that's supposed to be pre-Earth G1, this isn't much of a lamp post mode...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Ultra Markus » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:38 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:For a line that's supposed to be pre-Earth G1, this isn't much of a lamp post mode...

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Re: Australian Toy Fair 2019 Transformers: Seige Official Images & Barricade Reveal

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:13 am

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Wireless_Phantom wrote:It's not canon, but my mental workaround has always been the animated explanation of their being a variety of basic body types with different variations based on whoever is wearing it.


I can buy that if they're on same faction like with the Seekers (as much as Hasbro takes the pee with making new colour schemes just to sell another one of those) but I just can't see an honorable heroic Autobot ever wanting to resemble a murderous evil Decepticon and vice versa. :P


Rodimus Prime wrote:For a line that's supposed to be pre-Earth G1, this isn't much of a lamp post mode...


Is not like it was a particularly convincing alt-mode to begin with. Bumblebee, Wheeljack and the seekers had proper alt-modes (even if they had nonsensical robot modes with already earth-mode parts). Soundwave they clearly couldn't be bothered. I guess if they'd given him a vehicle mode it would seem like a downgrade when he took on a tapedeck mode but a crap 'lamppost' mode? Anything's an upgrade from that.
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Re: Australian Toy Fair 2019 Transformers: Seige Official Images & Barricade Reveal

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:40 am

Carnivius_Prime wrote:I guess if they'd given him a vehicle mode it would seem like a downgrade when he took on a tapedeck mode but a crap 'lamppost' mode? Anything's an upgrade from that.
Except the POS alt mode they gave the Siege figure. :lol: What the hell is he supposed to be?

I do hope if we see Siege Bee and Siege Wheeljack, they have their Cybertronian modes from MTMTE.

As for all the Barricade talk, this might be the first figure of this mold I'll get, as I don't have any Barricade figures, and I thought Sideswipe and Prowl were both seriously bland and underwhelming.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:19 am

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I know it's not the same guy but if it means anything the Aligned version of Barricade (where I think the purple on Barricade originated from) I think was said to being from Iacon which is basically seen as the "Autobot origin" city of Cybertron just like how most characters from Kaon tend to be Decepticons.


I think it's a fascinating concept for a character that exists in a continuity with a Decepticon army that is either military or utensil/tool in form that for in all odds probably should be an Autobot yet for whatever reason he's a Decepticon probably only due to personality alone. (I'm ignoring the actual physical brute aspect of the character which as fun as that is has only been present in the original movie version and the Transformers Universe interpretation which didn't even turn into a car but a van instead)

Kinda like how it's implied that Animated Lockdown was or at least should of been an Autobot by his body design as according to the Almanacs for TFA.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:28 am

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I think the only other head that could of worked was his Earth Wars head. (I think it's my preferred head, gives me the vibe the guy used to be an Autotrooper until he went rogue and joined the cons)

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Even then I think the lower half of the face is too "complicated" for the G1 cartoon aesthetic, most face plates are smooth or have a slight outward in the middle, but their never bumpy or pointy or anything like that.

The Eververse concept head itself is too complicated (for the aesthetic I don't mean the design is bad itself or anything)

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Thing is these are more like The Last Knight Barricade then the 2007 version, I think the gold face is part of Barricade's charm. (Even if I like the helmet look better I don't think it's a particularly good Barricade head, probably works for a Vehicon more)

Plus there is the whole thing with Hasbro starting to base some designs off of Guido's work, which I think is pretty good.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:41 am

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Deadput wrote:I know it's not the same guy but if it means anything the Aligned version of Barricade (where I think the purple on Barricade originated from)


Many movie Barricade toys have purple on them.


Rodimus Prime wrote:I do hope if we see Siege Bee and Siege Wheeljack, they have their Cybertronian modes from MTMTE.


They'll probably be compromised by forcing the G1 robot forms into the Cybertronian alt-modes like Starscream has been. It would have been better to just come up with new bot modes that fit those alt-modes than the illogical cheap/lazy use of the earth-based robot modes that the cartoon did. Any attempt to make the seeker cybertronian jet mode look sleek at all is ruined by those bricks under it. Could have maybe tucked legs in if space wasn't used up by the earth jet-style torso.

And yeah that TLK Barry-inspired Evergreen (is that the term?) design would have been far more interesting and make a lot more sense than a cheapass redeco.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:01 am

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Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Many movie Barricade toys have purple on them.


But he was the first one to have it as a bigger part of his color scheme, the purple (which most of the time is navy blue anyways) on 2007 Barricade were only on minor small details of the character.

The aligned versions used purple on a lot more parts as a secondary color.


Carnivius_Prime wrote:And yeah that TLK Barry-inspired Evergreen (is that the term?) design would have been far more interesting and make a lot more sense than a cheapass redeco.


It's not cheap if it's intended to be a reference to this:

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Cheap would of been a straight up redeco of Prowl with no new parts or head and no new paint layouts, which this Barricade has even if it's obvious their planned for a Smokescreen reuse at a later time.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Albatross250 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:09 am

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While everyone is on the Barricade argument i'll look forward for Apeface reveal. :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:12 am

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Albatross250 wrote:While everyone is on the Barricade argument i'll look forward for Apeface reveal. :lol:

You'll be waiting a while as I suspect he's part of next year's line ;) so maybe SDCC?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:19 am

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Deadput wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Many movie Barricade toys have purple on them.


But he was the first one to have it as a bigger part of his color scheme, the purple (which most of the time is navy blue anyways) on 2007 Barricade were only on minor small details of the character.


But that's where it comes from originally and yeah most of the toys have it purple (as I mentioned on a previous page, including 2007 Deluxe, Robot Replicas, DotM Deluxe, Human Alliance) though the MPM uses a bright blue. So yeah very often the main colours on Barricade toys have been Black and white for cop car with purple/blue details on body and gold details on face in robot mode. Me having to buy paint to colour those details on my Studio Series figure to make it more screen accurate means it's definitely part of his colour scheme. :P
The mobile game uses a purple/blue too. Not as purple as some, but definitely not the blue of the MPM.
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It's not cheap if it's intended to be a reference to this:

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Cheap would of been a straight up redeco of Prowl with no new parts or head and no new paint layouts, which this Barricade has even if it's obvious their planned for a Smokescreen reuse at a later time.


That design in the drawing is lazy and cheap too. There's no good reason for Barricade to resemble Prowl in robot mode. This is just Hasbro not bothering to design and produce a new unique mold when they can just change the colour scheme of an already existing one and not even do a new head to distinguish it and just because that Guido person drew a pic of it that way doesn't make it any less cheap. Being a redeco of boring Prowl is not worthy of the bad cop (as opposed to the poor forgettable Micromaster) Barricade name
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jeddostotle7 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:24 am

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:39 am

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Jeddostotle7 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:that Guido person


What? I can never remember how to spell his name properly. :(
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jeddostotle7 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:40 am

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Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Jeddostotle7 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:that Guido person


What? I can never remember how to spell his name properly. :(


Ah, sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were implying he was some random nobody or something. I apologize.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:43 am

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Jeddostotle7 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Jeddostotle7 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:that Guido person


What? I can never remember how to spell his name properly. :(


Ah, sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were implying he was some random nobody or something. I apologize.


No need to apologise. Is me who should say sorry. I should have looked up how to spell his name properly. This be what happens when I'm doing too many things at once and feeling a bit overwhelmed. I know he's a popular artist who's done a lot of TF stuff. Not one of my faves but he's done some great work.
*checks*
Ok it's Guido Guidi
Guido Guidi
Guido Guidi
It's the same name twice but change o to i. O and I. Like OI! That's how I'm gonna remember it. :)

I'mma shush now and get on with other stuffs I gotta get done. Have a good day. :D
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Jeddostotle7 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:51 am

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I do think it should be noted, though, that something done with less effort is not inherently "cheaper" or "lazier", especially when, like in the case of Guidi's G1 character model-style Barricade, it was something that was done as a fun "what if?" exercise.

I, for one, also enjoy its translation into an actual figure partly because I do kinda enjoy the whole "stock body-types" thing as an in-universe reason for identical bodies between characters, and like when it's actually explicitly incorporated into fiction in some form (like in Animated), although dislike when it's fully tied into faction (aside from the occasional specific one, usually Seekers), which is, again, another reason I enjoy this.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:56 am

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Barricade has always been evil Prowl in design even the 2007 version.

Door wings, hood chest, forehead crest, back of the car as legs.

It's likely a movie Prowl would of looked similar to Barricade but with less brutish arms and more heroic face.

This concept art shows it more

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So there is a biases there.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Knight » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:30 am

If you think about it, Reflector is still short packed. If you consider you need 3 in order to create it's most famous mode, then Reflector is only packed 1 in a case. Most collectors are going to pick up all three as soon as they see them.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:52 am

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Barricade is cool and fun. Would much rather see repaints like that than the mega predictable stuff like Bluestreak in this case.

The head's also a weird hill to die on, to me. There are four deluxe movie Barricade toolings. Swap it out.

On a lighter note I think we're up to about a dozen different users that have posted Guidi Barricade :lol: Guessing at this point it isn't gonna change anyone's mind, which is fine I just find it kinda funny.
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Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:41 am

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Personally, I would have preferred them to make figures based on Don Figueroa's designs over Guidi's.

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Postby william-james88 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:46 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Personally, I would have preferred them to make figures based on Don Figueroa's designs over Guidi's.

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They did a Don Figuera design in this very line, from the same comic you just posted:

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That's Brunt's robot mode.
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Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:50 am

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Indeed. But that is just one (it's not like Brunt or Centurion had a rabid fanbase screaming for a new figure) I mean all of them. The more bulky and robotic designs he drew in Stormbringer, The Gathering/Ascending etc technically would look more Pre-Earth G1 than anyone else's.
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Postby ScottyP » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:05 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. But that is just one (it's not like Brunt or Centurion had a rabid fanbase screaming for a new figure) I mean all of them. The more bulky and robotic designs he drew in Stormbringer, The Gathering/Ascending etc technically would look more Pre-Earth G1 than anyone else's.
I'd be on board for a big ol Thunderwing, some cool Pretender character designs in there too iirc.
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Postby william-james88 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:07 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. But that is just one (it's not like Brunt or Centurion had a rabid fanbase screaming for a new figure) I mean all of them. The more bulky and robotic designs he drew in Stormbringer, The Gathering/Ascending etc technically would look more Pre-Earth G1 than anyone else's.

Sure those are cool, and i would be down for them. But I feel its stuff we can still get in the future, so I am not sad of what we have gotten so far either.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:11 am

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william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. But that is just one (it's not like Brunt or Centurion had a rabid fanbase screaming for a new figure) I mean all of them. The more bulky and robotic designs he drew in Stormbringer, The Gathering/Ascending etc technically would look more Pre-Earth G1 than anyone else's.

Sure those are cool, and i would be down for them. But I feel its stuff we can still get in the future, so I am not sad of what we have gotten so far either.


You know what, his style would really improve on some designs in need of a modern makeover: Car Robots and Unicron Trilogy. They were bigger, more mechanical in their aesthetic. Less "People in robot suits".

Note, when I talk about Car Robots designs, I'm not talking about the Beast Wars redecos, nor the G1 equivalents.
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