Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:13 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:blackeyedprime, take into account that Mirage's forearms are supposed to be his engine block. Does that help any?
I never saw an engine block look like that on a racecar, there is usually a bunch of space under the spoiler.
Well to be fair, aerodynamics don't seem to matter much on Cybertron. I think it's a good idea as far as transformation goes and implemented as well as that price point could allow. The spoiler bits do look cool on his shoulders though. I wonder if a few more moving parts could have put the arms behind or under the altmode with the spoiler clean and free on top?


From what I can tell, the legs form the whole front and middle (the spoiler folds into the legs), the chest forms the back end (Starscream style), and the lower arms form the engine block. The back spoiler also sits rather high for it to normally be effective... kinda like Energon Prowl:

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Bucky » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:37 pm

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I know that a number of fans have expressed their disappointment with both of these figures, ever since they were first revealed. But seeing the final product here, i’m Looking forward to grabbing both of these guys. Other than maybe the lower legs, Mirage looks solid overall. I wasn’t aware that he’d have some clear blue plastic prior to these pics, and I am a fan of clear plastic. So long as it’s not used for joints.

Impactor also looks good, all things considered. He’s got some good proportions. I do wish he had been a Voyager class though. Apart from his size, the bot mode looks fine. His alt mode, while having a unique and appealing look, does appear to be a little on the skinny side, which is a little off putting. I’d just expect a tank-like alt mode to have a little more bulk. So I guess my only complaints are size and volume related.

I’ll be picking them both up. Hopefully I’ll see them on the shelf. Otherwise they’ll be yet another online purchase. I feel like my mailman must be getting sick of brown boxes by now.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:49 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:blackeyedprime, take into account that Mirage's forearms are supposed to be his engine block. Does that help any?


Nope, but in some kind of mad thinking/reorganising the vehicle mode in a way the toy will not allow for -if the forearm pieces could move back and the the spoiler/mess could be lowered down so that the shoulder parts were behind the rear wheels Mirages alt might work for me (spoiler may end up being too low). Plus as an unneeded bonus to that lay out, the space created may allow for a titan master to fit in a seat.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:53 pm

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Bucky wrote:I feel like my mailman must be getting sick of brown boxes by now.


Seems like for-hire delivery is becoming more and more popular, after Uber and Lyft revolutionized the Taxi service, and similar services started delivering food, NOW I see Amazon trucks everywhere, in addition to independent drivers. I tell you, if I ever get laid off again, that's probably one of the first places I'll go to look for work. I get something almost once a week from Amazon now, and rarely do I ever see the same driver.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby carytheone » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:53 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:blackeyedprime, take into account that Mirage's forearms are supposed to be his engine block. Does that help any?
I never saw an engine block look like that on a racecar, there is usually a bunch of space under the spoiler.
Well to be fair, aerodynamics don't seem to matter much on Cybertron. I think it's a good idea as far as transformation goes and implemented as well as that price point could allow. The spoiler bits do look cool on his shoulders though. I wonder if a few more moving parts could have put the arms behind or under the altmode with the spoiler clean and free on top?
From what I can tell, the legs form the whole front and middle (the spoiler folds into the legs), the chest forms the back end (Starscream style), and the lower arms form the engine block. The back spoiler also sits rather high for it to normally be effective... kinda like Energon Prowl:
I'm probably looking at it wrong but it seems the back wheels are inside the back of the torso and the arms would fold over the check, but that seems like it would put the spoiler facing the wrong way and the wrist cuff engine scoop inside out as well. You can see the front wheels and front spoiler inside the legs, but where does the white nose cone come from? I guess time will tell :-?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nathaniel Prime » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:58 pm

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carytheone wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:blackeyedprime, take into account that Mirage's forearms are supposed to be his engine block. Does that help any?
I never saw an engine block look like that on a racecar, there is usually a bunch of space under the spoiler.
Well to be fair, aerodynamics don't seem to matter much on Cybertron. I think it's a good idea as far as transformation goes and implemented as well as that price point could allow. The spoiler bits do look cool on his shoulders though. I wonder if a few more moving parts could have put the arms behind or under the altmode with the spoiler clean and free on top?
From what I can tell, the legs form the whole front and middle (the spoiler folds into the legs), the chest forms the back end (Starscream style), and the lower arms form the engine block. The back spoiler also sits rather high for it to normally be effective... kinda like Energon Prowl:
I'm probably looking at it wrong but it seems the back wheels are inside the back of the torso and the arms would fold over the check, but that seems like it would put the spoiler facing the wrong way and the wrist cuff engine scoop inside out as well. You can see the front wheels and front spoiler inside the legs, but where does the white nose cone come from? I guess time will tell :-?

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby carytheone » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:01 pm

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Thanks, Nate-Prime ;)^ that really clarifies a lot (I didn't see the split of the nosecone). I dig the look of it from behind 8-}

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:the chest forms the back end (Starscream style)
I see it now.

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dat fake spoiler


Well there ain't no way to move the arms now.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:03 pm

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carytheone wrote:I'm probably looking at it wrong but it seems the back wheels are inside the back of the torso and the arms would fold over the check, but that seems like it would put the spoiler facing the wrong way and the wrist cuff engine scoop inside out as well. You can see the front wheels and front spoiler inside the legs, but where does the white nose cone come from? I guess time will tell :-?


The front spoiler doesn't move it looks like: rather, the legs twist 90 degrees and the transparent blue cover with the feet attached is hinged up or down. Also, I said "Starscream-style", as in the chest becomes the back. I believe there's a hinge inside to flip it upward.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby carytheone » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:07 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
carytheone wrote:I'm probably looking at it wrong but it seems the back wheels are inside the back of the torso and the arms would fold over the check, but that seems like it would put the spoiler facing the wrong way and the wrist cuff engine scoop inside out as well. You can see the front wheels and front spoiler inside the legs, but where does the white nose cone come from? I guess time will tell :-?
The front spoiler doesn't move it looks like: rather, the legs twist 90 degrees and the transparent blue cover with the feet attached is hinged up or down. Also, I said "Starscream-style", as in the chest becomes the back. I believe there's a hinge inside to flip it upward.
See the above few posts. All mostly makes sense now. The arms fold back and there is a lot of movement in the torso. The blue part of the legs always made sense to me, but I couldn't wrap my head around the rest.

Will be a cool transformation for sure.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Bucky » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:49 pm

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Bucky wrote:I feel like my mailman must be getting sick of brown boxes by now.


Seems like for-hire delivery is becoming more and more popular, after Uber and Lyft revolutionized the Taxi service, and similar services started delivering food, NOW I see Amazon trucks everywhere, in addition to independent drivers. I tell you, if I ever get laid off again, that's probably one of the first places I'll go to look for work. I get something almost once a week from Amazon now, and rarely do I ever see the same driver.


Sounds like it’d be steady enough work. I think that, for the most part, I see the same three Amazon drivers? But there’s been some one-offs.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Primal » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:12 pm

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Anybody else want to see him retooled into Demolishor, btw?

...now I want to hear Impactor played by Stallone. :lol: Also I've been campaigning for an Demolishor retool of Impactor since before we even saw the figure, so I'm with you there.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:36 pm

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Loving all the translucent sapphire rock candy bits on Mirage! Really excited for that figure. And he won't be replacing the lovely Classics version. There's plenty of room in my heart and shelves for multiple Mirages.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:51 pm

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I've never been too worried about clear plastic, gold plastic on the other hand...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:53 pm

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Regarding Classics Mirage vs. SIEGE Mirage, I would say that Classics Mirage is actually more GEEWUN - the bits all end up in the same places and he transforms very similarly to the original toy. SIEGE Mirage is back-to-front, comparitively and has a faux-parts chest. But he does have a better-proportioned head and more accessories. In fact, he's got the complete set.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:35 pm

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carytheone wrote:
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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:blackeyedprime, take into account that Mirage's forearms are supposed to be his engine block. Does that help any?
I never saw an engine block look like that on a racecar, there is usually a bunch of space under the spoiler.
Well to be fair, aerodynamics don't seem to matter much on Cybertron. I think it's a good idea as far as transformation goes and implemented as well as that price point could allow. The spoiler bits do look cool on his shoulders though. I wonder if a few more moving parts could have put the arms behind or under the altmode with the spoiler clean and free on top?


What I think Mirage "Needs" is a tad bit more length in his vehicle mode, he looks blocky and bunched up, which os why I still prefer the classics Vehicle Mode. I think even of thet coulda done something so that the spoiler could slide straight back off the arms so its more akin to a Dragster Spoiler he might have sold that blocky look better than trying to be an F1. And if that's the goal for people is the alt mode, CW gave us a GREAT Mirage.

But me, whats winning me over is the Robot Mode. I love the proportions on him, and the arm spoiler represebting the side panel of the G1 figure's arm is brilliant. And most important, he has that Missile Launcher we all remember his artwork having

Edit: and for the record, his arms arent supposed to be the "Engine Block", its the air intake scoop that is normally jist abpve the driver's head. Which is also isually ahead of the Spoiler, not jammed under it.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:44 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:04 pm

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Mirage looks great! Impactor still looks derpy. I don't think Hasbro knew who was the driving character in that pole. I love the clear plastic on Mirage too, and the transformation looks fun and new!

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:37 pm

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Bucky wrote:Impactor also looks good, all things considered. He’s got some good proportions. I do wish he had been a Voyager class though.


It was mentioned earlier by Sabrblade, but Impactor looks to be one of the "larger" Deluxe Class figures, a la Ironhide and the upcoming Ratchet. In fact, Impactor may be even bigger (in terms of height, at least) than those two. So, although he won't be truly Voyager Class sized, he'll be VERY close, much closer than say Prowl or Sideswipe, for instance.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Regarding Classics Mirage vs. SIEGE Mirage, I would say that Classics Mirage is actually more GEEWUN - the bits all end up in the same places and he transforms very similarly to the original toy. SIEGE Mirage is back-to-front, comparitively and has a faux-parts chest. But he does have a better-proportioned head and more accessories. In fact, he's got the complete set.


The robot mode always wins out over the alt mode for me when there has to be a compromise. Mirage is no different in this case. He's the better proportioned figure and has more of the screen accurate details I like in my Transformers figures. Plus, he's actually compatible with contemporary Generations toys with 5mm holes and pegs.

By the way, that back view of Siege Mirage is IMPRESSIVE. No hollowness to be found. Everything has a place to go, and there is no bulky backpack either! The most that sticks out is half of each of the rear wheels, and that only adds to the silhouette instead of detracting from it, IMO. Bravo!

Writing off the back end of the alt mode as "Cybertronian" is helpful too. I can see how the upper arms are forming an air intake, so that doesn't bother me. It's really only the lower arms that are causing an issue, sitting directly under the spoiler.

As for the use of faux parts, it's awesome when they're not needed, but Hasbro and Takara have been using them pretty judiciously of late. Take the "faux chest" on Masterpiece Sunstreaker, for example. I'm glad they went that route, because the robot mode looks so much better for it. I believe we'll see something similar with an eventual Masterpiece Mirage to get his "kibble" proportioned correctly in robot mode.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:09 pm

'Hollowness' has been less of a problem with Siege, usually limited to places where its not too noticeable (some back parts) or some place where its a shame but expected (forearms have a bad habit of remaining a hollowed place on figures with flip out fists). The only major hollow areas that instantly come to mind to me are Ironhide, who is excusable with his empty chest being similar to the G1 toy and Impactor's leg which...well actually these DO look bad.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:11 pm

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Well, the semi-faux chest on MP Sunstreaker was necessary not only for aesthetic purposes but also for the sake of giving his altmode functional scissor doors (which I would bet Lamborghini insisted on).
When it comes to Mirage, I don't see faux-parts being necessary to give an MP version of him good proportions that match the cartoon. Classics Mirage's odd proportions stem from his turning into a modern-day F1.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:30 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:35 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby carytheone » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:36 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:43 pm

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Cobotron wrote::APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: Rad, D!

Where are you getting all this bull****? Online or in store?
I gotta find this guy quick!

Thanks!

I was lucky enough to find all but 1 reflector and my Battlemasters from wave 3 in stores! Pulse provided the final Reflector and Amazon the Battlemasters. And you can't just have 1 Smashdown, it is impossible!

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:45 pm

Cobotron wrote::APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: Rad, D!

Where are you getting all this bull****? Online or in store?
I gotta find this guy quick!


If you have Amazon Prime you could have him tomorrow. Once it was clear I wouldn't find him and Caliburst before Amazon's July 1st ship date I ordered each from there.

Also, dammit D-Max (and by dammit I mean thank you), I think you just talked me into buying at least 1 more.
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