Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:11 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:As much as I disapprove of the voyager + extra crap Hasbro calls leader class now, if he were white and purple instead of gray and purple, I'd probably pick him up.

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They're using the Leader price point that way because all-the-mass-is-one-robot Leaders largely don't work for the cast of '84-'86. And hey, it beats buying a Voyager and then spending an additional $60 to get the accessories from 3P kits.

And who knows, maybe they'll do Astrotrain in that color scheme as a Selects figure.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:50 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:As much as I disapprove of the voyager + extra crap Hasbro calls leader class now, if he were white and purple instead of gray and purple, I'd probably pick him up.

:roll: *throws RiD Optimus, Armada Optimus, Energon Optimus, and Cybertron Optimus at you.
Those are not the same. They are not voyager + extra crap. Everything outside of the smaller bot is required to make an accurate larger bot. With Astrotrain this is not the case.
And G1 Optimus and Megatron for good measure.
Still not entirely acceptable. Prime needed the trailer to be screen accurate and Megatron needed his extra parts in gun mode as well. Again, with Astrotrain this is not the case.
And then waves Earthrise Doubledealer in your face*
**** Doubledealer. Waste of a leader class spot. >:oP
They're using the Leader price point that way because all-the-mass-is-one-robot Leaders largely don't work for the cast of '84-'86.
They shouldn't be made **** leaders then. Make them voyagers and sell them $20 cheaper.
And hey, it beats buying a Voyager and then spending an additional $60 to get the accessories from 3P kits.
That's just it, though. They don't need extra kits and stuff. Astrotrain didn't need it, and neither did Shockwave, if he had been designed better.
And who knows, maybe they'll do Astrotrain in that color scheme as a Selects figure.
Doubtful. Would have been done by now, or at least revealed.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:52 pm

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Problem is with making all them Voyagers is that they only have so many voyager class slots to go around
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:44 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Problem is with making all them Voyagers is that they only have so many voyager class slots to go around
Isn't that up to Hasbro's discretion, though? How many of each spot to select? Or do the retailers have a say from the start? And anyway, the 2 figures in question, Shockwave and Astrotrain, are larger in fiction than the other characters with Voyager figures except Prime and Megatron (who should have been real leaders anyway), so they should have gotten actual leader figures.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Omegatron. » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:22 pm

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Well, there's only so much room in a case. I doubt it would be practical to suddenly switch to larger boxes.

Shockwave and Astrotrain are only very slightly taller than, e.g. the seekers. A classic "full-size" leader would be far too tall.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:31 pm

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Omegatron. wrote:Well, there's only so much room in a case. I doubt it would be practical to suddenly switch to larger boxes.

Shockwave and Astrotrain are only very slightly taller than, e.g. the seekers. A classic "full-size" leader would be far too tall.
Too tall for the boxes? The boxes can be made bigger. Or too tall scale-wise?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:20 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Too tall for the boxes? The boxes can be made bigger. Or too tall scale-wise?

Tall scale wise and I agree.

We have gotten most of the characters that actually fit the actual leader class sizes (like Overlord, Sixshot, etc) and I don't think there is that many left besides I guess characters like Thunderclash or Star Saber (who would probably fit better as a Commander class)

Toys like Combiner Wars Megatron, Seekers or TR Soundwave/Blaster are fine figures but their main problem lies in their height when their out of scale with everyone else, not to mention that some of them were pretty hollow due to their height.

Leader class shouldn't be about how "tall" or whatever they are but about the mass or amount of features they have, stuff like Prime and his trailer, etc.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:40 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:As much as I disapprove of the voyager + extra crap Hasbro calls leader class now, if he were white and purple instead of gray and purple, I'd probably pick him up.

:roll: *throws RiD Optimus, Armada Optimus, Energon Optimus, and Cybertron Optimus at you.
Those are not the same. They are not voyager + extra crap. Everything outside of the smaller bot is required to make an accurate larger bot. With Astrotrain this is not the case.
1. Astrotrain and Shockwave are not the entirety of the WFC Leader class. If those are the figures you're pissy about, be smegging specific. What you said was "the voyager + extra crap Hasbro calls leader class now", which tars every WFC Leader other than Doubledealer with the same brush and implies dismissal of all smaller robot + extra parts figures as invalid uses of the price point. I know some people definitely think that way... If that wasn't what you meant, you should have been more bloody careful with your words.
2. As I see it, the only difference between Astrotrain and Shockwave's extra crap and the extra crap of the figures I mentioned? Is the former's extra crap wasn't used in the show.

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And G1 Optimus and Megatron for good measure.
Still not entirely acceptable. Prime needed the trailer to be screen accurate and Megatron needed his extra parts in gun mode as well.
Perhaps, but the toys came first (usually the case, but extra the case with pre-movie G1), and the show models were designed after them. Plus, if the Hasbro releases of the toys hadn't come with the extra crap, the show wouldn't have featured it (we never saw Soundwave's headphones, after all). And again, your wording implied you were writing off ALL WFC Leaders as invalid uses of the price point.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Again, with Astrotrain this is not the case.
You're right, it's not necessary for show accuracy. But it still adds play value, and it is necessary for his FINALLY having a complete locomotive mode.

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**** Doubledealer. Waste of a leader class spot. >:oP
Mm-hm, suuuure, having a Doubledealer that's not gimped and undersize is suuuuch a waste. NOT. He would have been screwed over if they'd made him a Voyager, and the Ultra size class has been retired for over a decade, so...

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They're using the Leader price point that way because all-the-mass-is-one-robot Leaders largely don't work for the cast of '84-'86.
They shouldn't be made **** leaders then. Make them voyagers and sell them $20 cheaper.
1. No thanks, I'd rather not have a repeat of Classics Ultra Magnus. And ER Voyager Megs' existence is bad enough, don't need to be double-dipping on that with Optimus.
2. They needed to have some Decepticons at the Leader price point in SIEGE, and Megatron had already been given a Voyager slot.. I think Astrotrain uses it better than Shockwave.

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And hey, it beats buying a Voyager and then spending an additional $60 to get the accessories from 3P kits.
That's just it, though. They don't need extra kits and stuff. Astrotrain didn't need it, and neither did Shockwave, if he had been designed better.
1. Reiterate statement about those two not being the entirety of the WFC Leader class
2a. Astrotrain has needed the extra kit since 1986 IMO, plus it makes him stand out further from the TR version... That and I think that as a Voyager he would have wound up with even more hollow spots.
2b. As for Shockwave... He probably would have worked better as a Voyager, but they needed another Leader to be Ultra Magnus' wavemate in a hurry, and Shockwave conveniently had a Leader design prepared thanks to the PotP poll (I remain firm in my belief that SIEGE Shockwave is really a hastily reworked PotP Evolution Leader, it would explain sooo much).
3. I was also thinking of characters yet to be done when I said that. Such as Rodimus Prime... Galvatron if they're going to re-do him (he might get screwed over at the Voyager price point since I think the plastic limit has gone down a bit since TR)...

Rodimus Prime wrote:
And who knows, maybe they'll do Astrotrain in that color scheme as a Selects figure.
Doubtful. Would have been done by now, or at least revealed.
Not necessarily, especially if he's a Hasbro-initiated Selects figure (news on those seems to come a lot slower than the Takara-led stuff). Why not allow yourself to have some hope?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:02 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Astrotrain and Shockwave are not the entirety of the WFC Leader class. If those are the figures you're pissy about, be smegging specific. What you said was "the voyager + extra crap Hasbro calls leader class now", which tars every WFC Leader other than Doubledealer with the same brush and implies dismissal of all smaller robot + extra parts figures as invalid uses of the price point. I know some people definitely think that way... If that wasn't what you meant, you should have been more bloody careful with your words.
Alright, I'll give you that one. I should have been more specific. My main problem is with Shockwave and Astrotrain, and Shockwave most specifically. And it's a personal view, influenced by the fact thst he's my favorite G1 Decepticon. So to me the way he was given to us in Siege was very disappointing. They should have left him as a voyager, because the figure itself is great. Or made him a leader, but that would have required both Prime and Megayron to be leaders as well.
2. As I see it, the only difference between Astrotrain and Shockwave's extra crap and the extra crap of the figures I mentioned? Is the former's extra crap wasn't used in the show.
Well when going for accuracy, like the Siege line seemed to be doing, that's a big difference.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Again, with Astrotrain this is not the case.
You're right, it's not necessary for show accuracy.
That's what matters. Everything else is just personal preference on your part.
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And then waves Earthrise Doubledealer in your face*
**** Doubledealer. Waste of a leader class spot. >:oP
Mm-hm, suuuure, having a Doubledealer that's not gimped and undersize is suuuuch a waste. NOT. He would have been screwed over if they'd made him a Voyager, and the Ultra size class has been retired for over a decade, so...
What I meant was I don't give a **** about Doubledealer. But like I said about the previous point, it's personal preference. I wish the spot would have went to someone else.
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And who knows, maybe they'll do Astrotrain in that color scheme as a Selects figure.
Doubtful. Would have been done by now, or at least revealed.
Not necessarily, especially if he's a Hasbro-initiated Selects figure (news on those seems to come a lot slower than the Takara-led stuff). Why not allow yourself to have some hope?
I've been disappointed too many times over the years. And seeing as how WFC has gotten the figures right mostly so far, they're bound to disappoint sooner or later. By keeping my expectations and hope very low, it's a smaller chance of disappointment.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:28 am

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I prefer to be optimistic. On the subject of Shockwave, with as much re-treading as is happening maybe he'll get another go. I'm pretty sure the SIEGE figure is a rush job "Uhh... Crap, we need another C.O.M.B.A.T. Leader to be Ultra Magnus' wavemate... Uhh... Oh hey, Shockwave's popular and we've got this Leader Shockwave design leftover from PotP, let's adapt that."

Re: Astrotrain... I'm a train fan as well as a TF fan, so to me the lack of a tender has always made his locomotive mode look almost as naked as G1 Rodimus Prime's altmode without the camper shell does :P It's like, steam engines of that sort need a tender to be able to work. Trying to operate one without the tender is like trying to start a car that's missing the gas tank.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:03 am

I wonder how many people actually use Astrotrain's parts. Shockwave's armor is pretty cool, if unnecessary, but most of AT's goes right on his back. The only mode it really helps is train mode. And, even then, it's a mess.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:08 am

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And I left this out of the other post, but I gotta disagree about Shockwave being in PoTP, I just don't see it, because he never had an evolution or power up gimmick in any fiction. I see what they did in Siege, but like you said, it seems hastily thrown together. If they had him planned for PoTP but didn't have time for him, they would have just released him as he was in a Siege box. Unless you're saying that what we got in Siege is what we would have gotten in PoTP as well. Even if I have to admit that the extra parts made into a hoverboard actually works fine, as it's something I can see Shockwave build for himself. But it still shouldn't be a part of his alt mode.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:15 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I swore to not open my Apeface until Snapdragon gets here, so mine is still sealed. But I'm kinda dreading it, having heard the issue with the pink piece.
You mean the transparent blue piece painted pink? For what it's worth I haven't had mine break.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I left this out of the other post, but I gotta disagree about Shockwave being in PoTP, I just don't see it, because he never had an evolution or power up gimmick in any fiction. I see what they did in Siege, but like you said, it seems hastily thrown together. If they had him planned for PoTP but didn't have time for him, they would have just released him as he was in a Siege box. Unless you're saying that what we got in Siege is what we would have gotten in PoTP as well. Even if I have to admit that the extra parts made into a hoverboard actually works fine, as it's something I can see Shockwave build for himself. But it still shouldn't be a part of his alt mode.
What I'm saying is this:
First, that while Shockwave may not have had an evolution/powerup gimmick in fiction, he was still on that Final PotP Leader poll (as were Arcee and Hound). And we know (or are at least fairly sure) that everybody who was on the poll had an evolution design prepared so that the designers could get right to work on whoever was chosen.
Second, that SIEGE Shockwave's design strikes me as a hasty re-work of said evolution design to fit the SIEGE C.O.M.B.A.T. armor gimmick. Here's why: His extra parts are larger versions of his limbs, and the core robot is between a Voyager and a Deluxe in size... exactly like PotP Hot Rod and Orion Pax.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:And I left this out of the other post, but I gotta disagree about Shockwave being in PoTP, I just don't see it, because he never had an evolution or power up gimmick in any fiction.
He was absolutely going to be in POTP if he had won that poll that got us POTP Optimal Optimus. Arcee and Hound never had power-ups either, but they were on the poll too. Whoever won the poll was going to get a power-up whether they ever fictionally had one before or not.
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Postby TF-fan kev777 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:02 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:And I left this out of the other post, but I gotta disagree about Shockwave being in PoTP, I just don't see it, because he never had an evolution or power up gimmick in any fiction.
He was absolutely going to be in POTP if he had won that poll that got us POTP Optimal Optimus. Arcee and Hound never had power-ups either, but they were on the poll too. Whoever won the poll was going to get a power-up whether they ever fictionally had one before or not.


I'll also take it 1 step further on speculation. My guess is that had Shockwave won the fan poll, his powered up version would have been as Onyx Prime to match up with what IDW was doing at the time. I believe that is why his powered up mode for Siege was just extra limb pieces as it was a rush job since any Onyx Prime bits they might have added under PotP wouldn't match up with the current IWD-verse
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:29 pm

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On a very different note, I know who else besides Grand Max's Cog that Siege Cog can be redecoed into: Car Robots Gadep!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:42 pm

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Only if Brave Maximus is following.
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Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:59 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:On a very different note, I know who else besides Grand Max's Cog that Siege Cog can be redecoed into: Car Robots Gadep!
Only if Brave Maximus is following.
Or those who own a vintage Brave Max could give it to him, since the original Gadep was so hard to come by having been a contest figure. Helpful to this is the notion that the original Fort/Grand/Brave Max is 5mm-port-compatible. ;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:53 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:On a very different note, I know who else besides Grand Max's Cog that Siege Cog can be redecoed into: Car Robots Gadep!
Only if Brave Maximus is following.
Or those who own a vintage Brave Max could give it to him, since the original Gadep was so hard to come by having been a contest figure. Helpful to this is the notion that the original Fort/Grand/Brave Max is 5mm-port-compatible. ;)
But how many actual ports does he have? I just remember the one on his chest where the radar dish goes.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:08 am

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There's at least a couple right here:
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And I'm fairly sure the Cerebros mold's fistholes are 5mm so there's that
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:46 am

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Nemesis Destron wrote:So a question for those that scored a Netflix Megatron...is the head issue from Siege still there or not so more or less? This will for sure will determine for me if I should get him or not...my thanks in advance! :VEHI:


Head issue seems to be a bit worse than the selects release on my figure, never had the original. His left foot ankle tilt is still gimpy too and his foot is loose/doesn't lock in place though not as bad as the selects. Might all be down to qc or luck.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ThunderThruster » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:44 am

Weapon: Twin Shoulder-Mounted Rocket Launchers
Rodimus Prime wrote:Even if I have to admit that the extra parts made into a hoverboard actually works fine, as it's something I can see Shockwave build for himself. But it still shouldn't be a part of his alt mode.


Hoverboard? I saw it more of an amalgam of his action master partner Fist Fight and the Diagnostic Drone from Beast Machines.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:12 pm

Motto: "Why is asking for a no-disassembly clay impression of a head seemingly such an extreme request?"
Weapon: Galaxial Rocket Launcher
PSA TIME
We interrupt your regularly scheduled broadcast to bring you a public service announcement to owners of Ratchet and Ironhide.

These toys are fine representations of the characters, but they contain a secret that seems to have been inadequately documented.

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As demonstrated here, it is possible to configure the windshield so that it slopes forward in robot mode, as per the cartoon and the original toys.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. Have a nice day.
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HFTD Starscream clay head impression
Energon Optimus super mode hat
Cyb Megs missile
Optimus Primal missiles, left back panel, mask
CW Dead End/Offroad HFG, Breakdown HFG
Armada Thundercracker missile
Armada Optimus front left trailer strut, cheekguards
ROTF Jetfire right "JTFR" Panel
BH Ult. Optimus Sword
RID Ultra Magnus missiles
Vector Prime Cyber Key
Armada Jolt, Thunderclash, Clench
RID Galvatron foot/dragon head, smol beast arms, 1x launcher/sword hilt
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:04 pm

Motto: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"
Shelf Warm to the power of THREE! :lol: . Seriously though, I think the Netflix deco is pretty cool, I think having the unique battlemasters despite the higher price will help it sell better than previous versions.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby LinaNui » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:47 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:PSA TIME
We interrupt your regularly scheduled broadcast to bring you a public service announcement to owners of Ratchet and Ironhide.

These toys are fine representations of the characters, but they contain a secret that seems to have been inadequately documented.

Image
As demonstrated here, it is possible to configure the windshield so that it slopes forward in robot mode, as per the cartoon and the original toys.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. Have a nice day.

That... that is just how you are supposed to transform them.
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