Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Siege Deluxe Wave 3 and 4 Case Breakdown Reveals 3 Reflectors per Case

Postby william-james88 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:51 pm

With collectors needing to get three deluxe Reflector figures, there was worry that it would be hard to find the figure at retail in a decent amount. Well, it turns out the figure will be far from shortpacked. It is part of wave 3 and out of the eight deluxes in the case, there will be three Reflectors, just one shy of half the case. Since there are only three deluxes in this case, none of the figures will be shortpacked. We also have breakdowns of the wave 4 which shows that all the figures will be evenly spread two per case. One of those figures is a repack of Sixgun. The case breakdowns were found on Entertainment Earth and you can see the details below:

Wave 3

3x Red Alert
3x Reflector
2x Brunt
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Wave 4

2x Sixgun
2x Barricade
2x Impactor
2x Mirage
(subject to change)

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:30 pm

Holy crap. Hasbro actually learned from their mistake and not only didn't shortpack their 'army builder', they went and overpacked it too. This is great. :APPLAUSE:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:11 pm

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Just to be sure, we are talking ONLY about the middle member of the reflector trio, right? And the other two will come out one at a time, in separate waves?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Tresob » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:20 pm

I really wish they had just put all three in one Leader-scale box...

-Kanrabat- wrote:Just to be sure, we are talking ONLY about the middle member of the reflector trio, right? And the other two will come out one at a time, in separate waves?


I'm pretty sure the lens pops off so one mold can serve as all three.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:24 pm

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Tresob wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Just to be sure, we are talking ONLY about the middle member of the reflector trio, right? And the other two will come out one at a time, in separate waves?


I'm pretty sure the lens pops off so one mold can serve as all three.


Hmmmmm…… That is a possibility. Making Reflector basically a quadruple changer. :-?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby TAAO » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:26 pm

It's just the one figure, but if you get 3 of them, you can make the complete camera mode. Each figure comes with what would be 1/3 of the lens and 1/3 of the tripod. I believe the figure also comes with additional parts to differentiate from 3 figures.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:48 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Tresob wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Just to be sure, we are talking ONLY about the middle member of the reflector trio, right? And the other two will come out one at a time, in separate waves?


I'm pretty sure the lens pops off so one mold can serve as all three.


Hmmmmm…… That is a possibility. Making Reflector basically a quadruple changer. :-?

There is no remolding, you buy three of the same figure and mash them together to form the camera mode, they also have individual 'laser cannon' modes
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:04 pm

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It's that simple."
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Hellscream9999 wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Tresob wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Just to be sure, we are talking ONLY about the middle member of the reflector trio, right? And the other two will come out one at a time, in separate waves?


I'm pretty sure the lens pops off so one mold can serve as all three.


Hmmmmm…… That is a possibility. Making Reflector basically a quadruple changer. :-?

There is no remolding, you buy three of the same figure and mash them together to form the camera mode, they also have individual 'laser cannon' modes


Ao that will make things easier then.
Let's hope the stars will align for when I hunt for them, at least 3 are on the shelf AND they are on sale.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:23 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Tresob wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Just to be sure, we are talking ONLY about the middle member of the reflector trio, right? And the other two will come out one at a time, in separate waves?


I'm pretty sure the lens pops off so one mold can serve as all three.


Hmmmmm…… That is a possibility. Making Reflector basically a quadruple changer. :-?

There is no remolding, you buy three of the same figure and mash them together to form the camera mode, they also have individual 'laser cannon' modes


Ao that will make things easier then.
Let's hope the stars will align for when I hunt for them, at least 3 are on the shelf AND they are on sale.

Reflector's Shield is 1/3 of the Zoom lens, and his gun is one leg of the tripod. You buy 3 of the same fig, put the accessories together, and slap one on each side of another.

From the looks of things, Reflector has 3 "modes", Robot, laswr gun thing a la CW Shockwave, and camera body component. The outrr 2 look to be identical to the middle component, just spun 180*

Ooh! What if Hasbro did Relflector in the Selects line 8n his Toy colors?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:49 pm

Considering I’ve seen every figure in wave one a couple dozen times since December, not worried about finding three
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:24 pm

Just to be sure, none of you have a Siege Magnus which has perfectly locking shoulder armour on both sides right? I am referring to that grey piece that is supposed to slot into a shoulder peg to further anchor the shoulder armour. Only one works for me, not sure if its the same for all of you or not.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby starrhero » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:36 pm

william-james88 wrote:Just to be sure, none of you have a Siege Magnus which has perfectly locking shoulder armour on both sides right? I am referring to that grey piece that is supposed to slot into a shoulder peg to further anchor the shoulder armour. Only one works for me, not sure if its the same for all of you or not.


Both of the shoulder pieces work properly on my copy, the only thing is that it's a total pain to actually get it to lock on. Literally took me 10 minutes to do it the first time & it's not like I'm a weak guy. I'm not the strongest, granted, but still.

You might just need to force it with all your strength, cause that's how I got mine on.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:53 pm

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starrhero wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Just to be sure, none of you have a Siege Magnus which has perfectly locking shoulder armour on both sides right? I am referring to that grey piece that is supposed to slot into a shoulder peg to further anchor the shoulder armour. Only one works for me, not sure if its the same for all of you or not.


Both of the shoulder pieces work properly on my copy, the only thing is that it's a total pain to actually get it to lock on. Literally took me 10 minutes to do it the first time & it's not like I'm a weak guy. I'm not the strongest, granted, but still.

You might just need to force it with all your strength, cause that's how I got mine on.

Mine don't, but I just don't bother with them, the shoulder armor can stay on via friction - at least on my copy they can, I just saw the grey pieces as more of a convenience
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:55 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Just to be sure, none of you have a Siege Magnus which has perfectly locking shoulder armour on both sides right? I am referring to that grey piece that is supposed to slot into a shoulder peg to further anchor the shoulder armour. Only one works for me, not sure if its the same for all of you or not.

I eouldnt say mine are "locking" but they are tight enough to keepbit from falling off. I can pretty easily pull the shoulders off sideways though.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Bucky » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:15 am

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Flashwave wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Just to be sure, none of you have a Siege Magnus which has perfectly locking shoulder armour on both sides right? I am referring to that grey piece that is supposed to slot into a shoulder peg to further anchor the shoulder armour. Only one works for me, not sure if its the same for all of you or not.

I eouldnt say mine are "locking" but they are tight enough to keepbit from falling off. I can pretty easily pull the shoulders off sideways though.


Ditto. Mine don’t actually lock into place, but it’s enough to keep them on. They also pull off easily. It’s the one and only gripe I have with that figure.


What a relief to see that Reflector shouldn’t be a problem to collect. This line is pretty much a troop builders dream come true. It’s not easy on the wallet though. That’s for sure.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:45 am

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Randomhero wrote:Yeah and Brawn and Gnaw were listed for thrilling 30 and combiner wars multiple times through out the years and didn’t happen for years till the last waves of Titan Returns. It even shows that online retailers arnt always correct or a name is placed for a different figure. We’ve seen those 2 alone so many times that never turned out to be true until it was a con that revealed them not an online listing when we saw they were real.

In the case of Brawn and Gnaw those figures were canceled outright. It happens, in fact it happened to several Legends figures, not just those two. Legends figures 11 through 17 are unaccounted for with the numbering both picking up and ending with Nemesis Prime and Cliffjumper at 18 and 19 respectively. There's five more figures there that we don't know about, but we did know about Brawn and Gnaw. Their existence was confirmed later when either the designer or maybe Warden himself said Titans Return Gnaw and Brawn were not retooled from the figures that were planned for T30 (I really think it was the designer that said that).

So I have to wonder, how long would you have us wait before putting a rumor in the news if store listings aren't good enough? Figures can be canceled at any time including shortly before release so why should we hold off on something that could potentially be big news? Like Will said, 4chan posts are questionable, but a store listing should be more than acceptable, especially when they tend to be reliable source. And to be fair we have a pretty good track record when it comes to posting rumors that come true or (in the case of Brawn and Gnaw) are based in truth.

We may need to rethink how Hasbro is handling War for Cybertron compared to Prime Wars. PW was handled very loosely as a trilogy, it didn't even have an official name until Power of the Primes whereas WfC has had its name from the start and it's on all of the packaging. I suspect WfC will flow smoother from one part into the next which might be why we're getting a full wave 4 in Siege rather than one single wave 4 figure in PotP. For all we know part two of WfC will start with wave 5.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 am

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william-james88 wrote:Just to be sure, none of you have a Siege Magnus which has perfectly locking shoulder armour on both sides right? I am referring to that grey piece that is supposed to slot into a shoulder peg to further anchor the shoulder armour. Only one works for me, not sure if its the same for all of you or not.

Couldn't tell ya. My kids lost those pieces within a week of me giving them the figure. :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:56 am

Emerje wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Yeah and Brawn and Gnaw were listed for thrilling 30 and combiner wars multiple times through out the years and didn’t happen for years till the last waves of Titan Returns. It even shows that online retailers arnt always correct or a name is placed for a different figure. We’ve seen those 2 alone so many times that never turned out to be true until it was a con that revealed them not an online listing when we saw they were real.

In the case of Brawn and Gnaw those figures were canceled outright. It happens, in fact it happened to several Legends figures, not just those two. Legends figures 11 through 17 are unaccounted for with the numbering both picking up and ending with Nemesis Prime and Cliffjumper at 18 and 19 respectively. There's five more figures there that we don't know about, but we did know about Brawn and Gnaw. Their existence was confirmed later when either the designer or maybe Warden himself said Titans Return Gnaw and Brawn were not retooled from the figures that were planned for T30 (I really think it was the designer that said that).

So I have to wonder, how long would you have us wait before putting a rumor in the news if store listings aren't good enough? Figures can be canceled at any time including shortly before release so why should we hold off on something that could potentially be big news? Like Will said, 4chan posts are questionable, but a store listing should be more than acceptable, especially when they tend to be reliable source. And to be fair we have a pretty good track record when it comes to posting rumors that come true or (in the case of Brawn and Gnaw) are based in truth.

We may need to rethink how Hasbro is handling War for Cybertron compared to Prime Wars. PW was handled very loosely as a trilogy, it didn't even have an official name until Power of the Primes whereas WfC has had its name from the start and it's on all of the packaging. I suspect WfC will flow smoother from one part into the next which might be why we're getting a full wave 4 in Siege rather than one single wave 4 figure in PotP. For all we know part two of WfC will start with wave 5.

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They weren’t cancelled. Brawn and game never got announced. They showed up in listings and that’s it. Wasn’t until the end of titans return that they actually got announced and shown

It was called Prime War by the end of of combiner wars. Titans return was the one that changed names late in the game. A lot of early promo stuff a a few months before launched was called Titan Wars.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby LordTwann » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:02 am

Kind of hard to praise Hasbro on this one. It’s better I guess than what they have been doing, but you’re still going to have red alert warming pegs all over the place. If Cog’s been any indication Brunt is going to be pretty popular as well and will sell out like crazy and fans will buy all three reflectors and then maybe one Red. So the remaining two will sit there ard the stores won’t restock.
Then there’s people who buy cases from online retailers (a small market to be sure). They get the three reflectors and two brunt’s they want keep one Red and flood the secondary market with the other two, further diminishing in-store demand for the figure.
It’s PotP Jazz all over again.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Cobotron » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:08 am

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@ WillyJ'a Magnus armor question:

Mine is like yours. One locks, one doesn't. And I've tried applying great force to no avail.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby carytheone » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:22 pm

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Flashwave wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Tresob wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Just to be sure, we are talking ONLY about the middle member of the reflector trio, right? And the other two will come out one at a time, in separate waves?


I'm pretty sure the lens pops off so one mold can serve as all three.


Hmmmmm…… That is a possibility. Making Reflector basically a quadruple changer. :-?

There is no remolding, you buy three of the same figure and mash them together to form the camera mode, they also have individual 'laser cannon' modes


Ao that will make things easier then.
Let's hope the stars will align for when I hunt for them, at least 3 are on the shelf AND they are on sale.

Reflector's Shield is 1/3 of the Zoom lens, and his gun is one leg of the tripod. You buy 3 of the same fig, put the accessories together, and slap one on each side of another.

From the looks of things, Reflector has 3 "modes", Robot, laswr gun thing a la CW Shockwave, and camera body component. The outrr 2 look to be identical to the middle component, just spun 180*
To add a very small amount to this convo and just to point out the one piece that allows Refraktor to become Viewfinder, Spectro and Spyglass. The circled piece can pop on/off.

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Flashwave wrote:Ooh! What if Hasbro did Relflector in the Selects line in his Toy colors?
That would be cool. If so I hope they announce it sooner than later, of course that would blow up their 3 per case strategy.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:44 pm

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carytheone wrote:Dat Reflector


:shock:

Okay. I'm impressed.
And I don't think I'll wait for a sale to buy this. The irony is that the total price will be one deluxe shy of my Maketoys Visualizer. I mean, price total, including taxes and shipping.
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Siege Soundwave Video Review, and Wave 2 Voyagers sighted in Australia

Postby RobRobRobRobRob » Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:45 pm

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With War For Cybertron: Siege's second wave steadily marching into stores, we have a new video review for Voyager Class Soundwave! Sent to us by our fellow Seibertronian Maverick Prime and coming from newcomer reviewer Grim Trigger on Youtube, the video goes into considerable detail regarding the figure's detailing in both modes, as well as an intervening step-by-step demonstration of the figure's transformation sequence. Grim Trigger also brings the figure into comparison with his predecessors, Siege Megatron, Hound, Sideswipe and Ultra Magnus, as well as a Marvel Legends Ant Man figure, and admittedly bizarre choice for a size comparison. Unfortunately, Trigger neglects to showcase Soundwave's hidden Lamp-mode, though he does mention it briefly while discussing the vehicle mode.

The video is provided below, so be sure to take a look!



In related news, Soundwave and his fellow Wave 2 Voyager Starscream have both been sighted in Australian retail! Found at a Toyworld in the Forest Hill Chase Shopping Centre in Melbourne, Victoria by Ozformers member jroam and shared on the Ozformers Facebook profile, the Decepticon duo were sighted alongside various Wave 1 figures, so it appears these newcomers are only trickling out as of now. If you live in the area, the hunt appears to be on!

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:02 pm

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Randomhero wrote:They weren’t cancelled. Brawn and game never got announced. They showed up in listings and that’s it. Wasn’t until the end of titans return that they actually got announced and shown

They were planned, leaked, wave numbers were set aside, and their existence was confirmed years later. If that is "canceled" then what is it? Things get canceled internally all the time, an official announcement isn't required.

And again, those TR figures are not the same as the figures that were cancelled, they wouldn't have designed T30 figures to have a play feature from several years later.

It was called Prime War by the end of of combiner wars. Titans return was the one that changed names late in the game. A lot of early promo stuff a a few months before launched was called Titan Wars.

Wrong. All three were going to follow a naming theme of Combiner Wars, Titan Wars, and Prime Wars. Early images showing the name "Prime Wars" at events were referring to the third part of the trilogy. The trilogy wouldn't officially be called Prime Wars until PotP was officially announced.

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Postby Randomhero » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:57 pm

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Randomhero wrote:They weren’t cancelled. Brawn and game never got announced. They showed up in listings and that’s it. Wasn’t until the end of titans return that they actually got announced and shown

They were planned, leaked, wave numbers were set aside, and their existence was confirmed years later. If that is "canceled" then what is it? Things get canceled internally all the time, an official announcement isn't required.

And again, those TR figures are not the same as the figures that were cancelled, they wouldn't have designed T30 figures to have a play feature from several years later.

It was called Prime War by the end of of combiner wars. Titans return was the one that changed names late in the game. A lot of early promo stuff a a few months before launched was called Titan Wars.

Wrong. All three were going to follow a naming theme of Combiner Wars, Titan Wars, and Prime Wars. Early images showing the name "Prime Wars" at events were referring to the third part of the trilogy. The trilogy wouldn't officially be called Prime Wars until PotP was officially announced.

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But they were calling it prime wars trilogy before POTP title was released. Plenty of places referred to it as prime wars trilogy and weren’t referring it to the third installment
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