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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nathaniel Prime » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:49 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Like I said, I'll take either that or the cartoon one so long as it's not another Prowl-colored Ratchet.

Things like this always make it interesting how experiencing the different shows at different times impacts what we think, because to me the Ratchet helmets from Prime and Animated are the right ones and what I want the figure to have, with the comic red helmet white crest being alright and the cartoon white and gray being a turn-off.


This. I feel exactly the same way, and if Animated or Prime had Ratchet with different colored heads, I would have rooted honestly. For G1, anything goes really, and I would like any colored head option for the Siege figure.

sol magnus wrote:Anybody see a Straxus coming out of that Impactor? Just me?


I can sorta see where you are coming from, but for me, (insert unpopular opinion here), I prefer the Generations figure. I thought that was Straxus for me, and I don't really need another one for a while. Jhiaxus on the other hand, yeah, we need a new one of him.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:25 pm

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On the subject of Astrotrain...

The way I see it, we already got a SIEGE Astrotrain..
It just came out 2 years early during Titans Return :P

Hopefully the Astrotrain from the next part of the trilogy will have a steam engine mode. It's also good to hear about Apeface.

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sol magnus wrote:Anybody see a Straxus coming out of that Impactor? Just me?


I can sorta see where you are coming from, but for me, (insert unpopular opinion here), I prefer the Generations figure. I thought that was Straxus for me, and I don't really need another one for a while. Jhiaxus on the other hand, yeah, we need a new one of him.

I too am fine with the Generations version of Straxus. It has his signature weapon, it has decent articulation and resembles him in robot mode, and it can be configured into his "flying gun turret" altmode from the comics - which I somehow doubt the SIEGE Impactor mold could pull off.

Agreed about Jhiaxus. What would you say to adapting the SIEGE Seeker mold as him?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:02 pm

Considering the line is called War for Cybertron yet seems to begin at the end, the so-called final Siege...it really make me wonder if part 2 won't be In Media Res with pre-war characters like Sentinel Prime (admittedly I'd like a more Marvel comic version of him, even if the Trump Astrotrain of Titans Return/IDW is fine) and maybe Straxus or something.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nathaniel Prime » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:04 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:On the subject of Astrotrain...

The way I see it, we already got a SIEGE Astrotrain..
It just came out 2 years early during Titans Return :P

Hopefully the Astrotrain from the next part of the trilogy will have a steam engine mode. It's also good to hear about Apeface.

I think I agree with you on TR Astrotrain being compatible with Siege. He is in scale, has a cartoon accurate robot mode, and has recently "Cybertronian" alt modes that still scream Astrotrain to me. If he had waist rotation and ankle tilts, he would be on par with Siege completely.

I'll still wait for that rumored Leader Astrotrain, because if it's cartoon accurate with the G1 alt modes, I'll use that as my Earth CHUG Astrotrain.

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sol magnus wrote:Anybody see a Straxus coming out of that Impactor? Just me?


I can sorta see where you are coming from, but for me, (insert unpopular opinion here), I prefer the Generations figure. I thought that was Straxus for me, and I don't really need another one for a while. Jhiaxus on the other hand, yeah, we need a new one of him.

I too am fine with the Generations version of Straxus. It has his signature weapon, it has decent articulation and resembles him in robot mode, and it can be configured into his "flying gun turret" altmode from the comics - which I somehow doubt the SIEGE Impactor mold could pull off.

Agreed about Jhiaxus. What would you say to adapting the SIEGE Seeker mold as him?[/quote]

I don't know about the Siege Seeker mold. For one, I wouldn't mind seeing a new head retool of the Siege Seeker mold, but I would love to see something different for him, instead of repeating what happened in T30. A new mold would be nice, but that's probably wishful thinking.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:45 pm

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Well, I suggested the SIEGE Seeker mold as a base for him because A. Jhiaxus' original design took cues from the Seekers and B. the transformation engineering seems like it could be used to depict his original vehicle and robot modes. So not just a new head, but a new altmode shell as well.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Trocheman » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:47 pm

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So i see these Siege figures all the time but been sticking to the Studio Series figures. im not to familiar with Siege. what exactly is the history behind this collection? sorry just new to this
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:53 pm

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Trocheman wrote:So i see these Siege figures all the time but been sticking to the Studio Series figures. im not to familiar with Siege. what exactly is the history behind this collection? sorry just new to this

Story line wise it's telling the story of the final days before both sides abandoned Cybertron, though currently there's no specific fiction for the toyline (there is a Netflix show based on Siege next year though). IDW is currently using Siege designs but that's a pre war story.

For practical purposes though, it's to help user in a new scale for the bot mode and to recreate the robot modes so they look as they did in the G1 cartoon.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:53 pm

Trocheman wrote:So i see these Siege figures all the time but been sticking to the Studio Series figures. im not to familiar with Siege. what exactly is the history behind this collection? sorry just new to this


Its basically a remake of the Generation 1 cartoon-styled characters? How hard is that to guess?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Microbot » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:17 pm

I hope to get soon more preview for the bots AFTER Omega Prime...and hope for the next chapter, we don't get jus another prime and Megatron, but new molds too
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Microbot » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:37 pm

I hope is not a problem to post this here, in case of delete, please.

https://ibb.co/0rkc0tv

Just a strange message, and also some parts not available into base bot...maybe a preview?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:46 pm

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Skritz wrote:
Trocheman wrote:So i see these Siege figures all the time but been sticking to the Studio Series figures. im not to familiar with Siege. what exactly is the history behind this collection? sorry just new to this


Its basically a remake of the Generation 1 cartoon-styled characters? How hard is that to guess?

Hey now. Let's be fair - not everybody comes in familiar with the old stuff.

War for Cybertron: SIEGE is a continuation of the long chain of neo-G1 toys that began with the 2006 Classics line, featuring new toys of characters from the original toyline and cartoon - with occasional expansion to other Transformers universes. There have been varying design trends and premises over the years (for instance, in some years the toys leaned towards the quasi-Bayformer aesthetic that took over the first IDW continuity).

The conceit of SIEGE is that it takes place during the war as it was happening on Cybertron. It leans heavily towards the cartoon, to the point of translating the "Alien altmode, Earthly robot mode" laziness of the first three episodes into toy form for several characters - most notably the Seekers (Starscream, Thundercracker, etc).
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Trocheman » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:07 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:
Trocheman wrote:So i see these Siege figures all the time but been sticking to the Studio Series figures. im not to familiar with Siege. what exactly is the history behind this collection? sorry just new to this

Story line wise it's telling the story of the final days before both sides abandoned Cybertron, though currently there's no specific fiction for the toyline (there is a Netflix show based on Siege next year though). IDW is currently using Siege designs but that's a pre war story.

For practical purposes though, it's to help user in a new scale for the bot mode and to recreate the robot modes so they look as they did in the G1 cartoon.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Skritz wrote:
Trocheman wrote:So i see these Siege figures all the time but been sticking to the Studio Series figures. im not to familiar with Siege. what exactly is the history behind this collection? sorry just new to this


Its basically a remake of the Generation 1 cartoon-styled characters? How hard is that to guess?

Hey now. Let's be fair - not everybody comes in familiar with the old stuff.

War for Cybertron: SIEGE is a continuation of the long chain of neo-G1 toys that began with the 2006 Classics line, featuring new toys of characters from the original toyline and cartoon - with occasional expansion to other Transformers universes. There have been varying design trends and premises over the years (for instance, in some years the toys leaned towards the quasi-Bayformer aesthetic that took over the first IDW continuity).

The conceit of SIEGE is that it takes place during the war as it was happening on Cybertron. It leans heavily towards the cartoon, to the point of translating the "Alien altmode, Earthly robot mode" laziness of the first three episodes into toy form for several characters - most notably the Seekers (Starscream, Thundercracker, etc).


ok got it, thanks. I have to rewatch the old cartoons cause its been YEARS. trying to get back into the TF world. i like the G1 figures thats what me ask. im just not a huge fan of how theyre spaces-vehicles but understand how it would be that way. Thanks again for the help and quick answers. Skritz.....youre dead to me HAHAHA
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:32 pm

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No problem :) always happy to help in the community. Siege is definitely a good line to look into as there is a lot of fun figures.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:57 pm

Skritz wrote:I just hope Ratchet will show up at online retailers. He's definitely a character I want on my shelf, being the quintessential 'medic' of Transformers. Granted if things went my way I'd prefer a Marvel Comics head but w/e, GEEWUN toon is probably what we're getting.

Are you US based Skritz? Because if not, these can be a real pain to get at a decent price.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nathaniel Prime » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:37 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Skritz wrote:I just hope Ratchet will show up at online retailers. He's definitely a character I want on my shelf, being the quintessential 'medic' of Transformers. Granted if things went my way I'd prefer a Marvel Comics head but w/e, GEEWUN toon is probably what we're getting.

Are you US based Skritz? Because if not, these can be a real pain to get at a decent price.


Maybe Takara will release their own sometime later? They did that with Wreckgar, so I wouldn't see why they can't do it with Ratchet.

Still, on the pricing, yeah, looks like it would be pretty difficult to snag at a good price
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Primal » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:49 pm

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Had a thought because Skritz got me thinking about numbers again: if we get some sort of SDCC exclusive(s) like Throne Primal and the Retro Bees, will it/they count as numbered Siege releases? That could maybe help explain some of the missing numbers as well.

Reminder that we're still missing WFC-S26, S27, S34, and S44-S51, S44-S47 have no online codes, and to fill all those numbers so far we only know about Ratchet, Skywarp, the Firestormer Pack, and a possible Micromaster multi-pack and hinted-at 4th female combiner limb (Lancer). Furthermore, the code site lists S48-S51 as being available in December if you click on them, and hints at all missing number's factions via the background image being OP or Megs:

S26: Bot, probably Firestormers
S27: Con, probably Skywarp
S34: Bot, probably Ratchet
S44-S47: unknown
S48: Con
S49: Bot, maybe Lancer?
S50: Con
S51: Con
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:36 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Skritz wrote:I just hope Ratchet will show up at online retailers. He's definitely a character I want on my shelf, being the quintessential 'medic' of Transformers. Granted if things went my way I'd prefer a Marvel Comics head but w/e, GEEWUN toon is probably what we're getting.

Are you US based Skritz? Because if not, these can be a real pain to get at a decent price.


Nope. But at this point I'm very used to relying on online shipping from outside Canada. You see, my area is so bad at distribution it was still covered in Titans Return stuff from the first few waves when POTP had hit shelves elsewhere. So now I'd say most, if not all my collecting is done purely via online preorders.

Not only that but our only two chain stores which carry TF toys (at least in my part of the boonies) are Wal Mart and Toys R Us: the former is terrible and unreliable, never put anything on shelves in time and when it does everything gets sniped by scalpers and/or buyers. TRU has better stock but its unfortunately a good 10-20% more pricy. Their good side, however, is that they seem to stock up better on the Voyager and Leader price points. Edit: Oh they were the only ones carrying Titan sized figures, too, safe for EB Games with Predaking.

So yeah, its a mess. I just buy my crap online because I got sick of hunting down toys. >:oP
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:48 am

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Skritz wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Skritz wrote:I just hope Ratchet will show up at online retailers. He's definitely a character I want on my shelf, being the quintessential 'medic' of Transformers. Granted if things went my way I'd prefer a Marvel Comics head but w/e, GEEWUN toon is probably what we're getting.
At least he wouldn't be stealing Prowl's head deco anymore.


Oh, right, I assume you mean the mixed/reverse Marvel comic deco of 'white helmet red crest', correct?
Yeah, the one both the Animated and Prime Ratchets got saddled with, along with most G1 Ratchet toys beginning with the Universe one (on which it looked hideous).

Gimme red helmet with gray/white crest (Marvel) or white helmet with black crest (cartoon) over white helmet with red crest any day.


Smart money is on the cartoon helmet colors for Siege Ratchet, given his recent IDW comics appearance and the new Transformers TCG card featuring him as a redeco and slight retool of the Siege Ironhide mold.
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Postby Nemesis Primal » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:00 pm

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...so I got my girlfriend hooked on the old IDW comics, so she went to the local comic store in the mall to grab some books yesterday, which I already knew stocked actual TFs as well. What I didn't know though, is that they apparently get figures straight from Hasbro rather than from the warehouses, so they get some stuff earlier than local retail, which means...
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:28 pm

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:57 pm

Since I've been told many times that our opinions as grognard fans has no common group with what a kid think: what DO kids think of Siege so far? Does anyone here have kids that play with the Siege toys? Do they find them cool? Or is this truly just a line for crusty grognards. Just wondering.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nathaniel Prime » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:38 pm

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Skritz wrote:Since I've been told many times that our opinions as grognard fans has no common group with what a kid think: what DO kids think of Siege so far? Does anyone here have kids that play with the Siege toys? Do they find them cool? Or is this truly just a line for crusty grognards. Just wondering.


Every kid I met with so far has loved the line. Between the awesome new versions of fan favorites to introducing new characters, kids have loved what we got so far. They especially love the Weaponizers, and they cannot get enough of them.

This line has been a real hit on both the kids and the adults ;)^
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:53 pm

I'm just wondering because I've know people who, introduced through the Bay movies-era onward, that seem to think the classics look is 'dumb'. >:oP
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:03 pm

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I used to think Jack Kirby art was not that impressive when I was a kid. When I got older (grognard) I gained a lot more appreciation and love for his work and what it meant, not just how it looked. Appreciation and criticism all comes from a perspective sometimes that perspective changes in time - retro and classic become stylish terms know what I mean? I think I appreciate it getting them into the fandom at all then we can get our greedy grognard gloves on em and help steer them where to go what to see all the different awesome perspectives of the Transformer world. Bring us your Bayformers your tired and weary, let us show you the way :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:38 am

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I'd rather let the young ones have their likes and if they prefer the newer looks, then so be it. I always think the franchise should be moving forward.

Having said that, end of the day, kids do just want awesome toys to play with, so as long as they hold up well, don't fall apart, they aren't asking a lot.
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