The Energon Pub

Shadowman wrote:The problem with Shockwave getting up and taking things over after landing in Tunguska, is that the blast from the event hit with the force of a 10 megaton nuclear warhead, with a blast radius larger than the state of Texas. If Shockwave was at the center, he'd be completely obliterated.

An afterthought: In the Prime series, Megatron survived the Space-bridge blast. The Tunguska blasts definitely sounds worse, and I know Dark Energon was involved,(And that it's a seperate series, the writers of which were recently quoted to say that when they kill a Bot, they kill it, Period,) but...yeah, it's another consideration there to work around.

Shadowman wrote:The problem with Shockwave getting up and taking things over after landing in Tunguska, is that the blast from the event hit with the force of a 10 megaton nuclear warhead, with a blast radius larger than the state of Texas. If Shockwave was at the center, he'd be completely obliterated.

Well his name is SHOCKWAVE!!!

get it SHOCKWAVE!!!!

oh come on, i thought it was funny....

I like how there's a breakdown of what the T-Event is and whats been established in the previous films considering Transformers arriving on earth and so on and so forth....I really do.


Sadly, I feel this level of logic and foresight is asking too much of this film. There's already so much the films don't explain from movie to movie that I'm pretty sure they're not going to bat an eye at Shockwave surviving the blast that is theorized to have been responsible for Tunguska. Better yet I see them not even caring really.

I mean it's a mysterious destructive event, which they pin on the films newest baddie as perhaps a example of how destructive he is.....simple as that. I honestly don't even think they'll give it a halfway descent montage like they did with Megatron explaining how he got to earth and who found him and why he's on ice....

This film is already soooooooooooo filled with plot mechanisims I think there will be a breif meeting, some pictures, hey we traced shockwave to Tunguska and now he's online and destroying things. Lets go get him team! I don't think they can really waste anymore time on his arrival to earth at the expense of telling his orgin story, and the current ongoing plotlines of time travel and space and whats up with the dark side of the moon and an invasion. I thik the more one just looks at the T-Event as just being what it is, a plot device to further develop & establish Shockwaves character, the better off you'll be when it comes time to see the movie.

Joshua Vallse wrote:

As for what happened, my 2 cents is that when shockwave landed he went offline...like Megatron. He was then used to spear head Russia's technological savvy, and without a doubt their weapons and space program..being they were the first to really launch organisms and such in space (We were the first to land on the moon...but after they had launched a few tid bits of their own).

I think it would be pretty cool to have Shockwave be the same way as Megatron was, except for the Russians. Megatron supplied all the technological advancements for America through reverse engineering. It would be neat if the Russians did the same with Shockwave. Except, with the Russkies and Shockwave, he came online by himself instead of having Starscream's help. Or what if he had Soundwave's help?

I always thought that in G1 Shockwave and Soundwave made a good and contrasting pair against Megatron and Starscream.

Yeah thats where I see this going in terms of Shockwaves orgins, and I think it would be kinda neat. As for who or what is responsible for freeing Shockwave, it can be any number of things...it may even be tied to the MIR space station which I believe offically ended the Cold War for both America and Russia.

That would be kinda interesting, if they used MIR as a joint force between Sector 7 and Russia's Secret Organization to tackle the mystery of "whats Behid the Moon?" MIr may even pan out to be the Space Bridge for all we know ha ha

I'll be very upset if the Russians are portrayed in an intellectually backward way.

I'd rather plenty of smaller and rare bigger TFs were captured around the world. China could use one in the storyline.

Joshua Vallse wrote:it may even be tied to the MIR space station which I believe offically ended the Cold War for both America and Russia.

No, actually, Mir had nothing to do with the Cold War. It was launched in 1986, which is when things began to cool off between the US and Soviets, but it was unrelated to the Cold War, which wasn't "Officially" over for several more years in 1991, I think. It was no more instrumental in ending the Cold War than Transformers movie released the same year.

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:I'll be very upset if the Russians are portrayed in an intellectually backward way.

I'd rather plenty of smaller and rare bigger TFs were captured around the world. China could use one in the storyline.

Hey, what do you expect from a country whose intelligence department is obsessed with killing Moose and Squirrel?

that shockwave looks like his WFC concept if you look closely
that was a very good theory though

Shadowman wrote:

Joshua Vallse wrote:it may even be tied to the MIR space station which I believe offically ended the Cold War for both America and Russia.

No, actually, Mir had nothing to do with the Cold War. It was launched in 1986, which is when things began to cool off between the US and Soviets, but it was unrelated to the Cold War, which wasn't "Officially" over for several more years in 1991, I think. It was no more instrumental in ending the Cold War than Transformers movie released the same year.

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:I'll be very upset if the Russians are portrayed in an intellectually backward way.

I'd rather plenty of smaller and rare bigger TFs were captured around the world. China could use one in the storyline.

Hey, what do you expect from a country whose intelligence department is obsessed with killing Moose and Squirrel?

+LOL+ you mean Russia? I think I heard something about 'killing Mosse and squirrel' yonks ago but I only listened with half an ear.

Propaganda sciences aside, I strongly beleive President Kennedy was a genuinely benevolent and good man, just as he has been portrayed to be by many nations beyond his own (which is a BIG statement).As such, I would be happier if "the Russians", or any one group representing a full on population (All the rest of Russia,Egypt,Jordan,China,France and hopefully more to come),were shown to be the appropriate for their Ancient culture and its' position in the quickening of global events at the Dotm opening, a period that was a bad and often unsuccessful transition for old cultures into the new world:Point being it's easy to make up the political opposite of Kennedy into so far as a bad example of a human specimen-Transformers is a global childrens' toy and any one group of children shouldn't be shown in the official televisation/cinemisation to be beneath another group because of "something they did and should feel bad about" which was not necessarily wrong or even incorrect at the time.Using TFs as a medium to lower one group in the eyes of others would be criminal.There are two sides (at least) to any story.
(I have purposefully been as vague as possible in the above text).
(Fowler, from Prime comes to mind: The belly is used to remind of his weaknesses, rather than some petty attitude-when it comes to business, he'll fly a jet into combat and even growl at and stare down suspicious Autobots).He can 'not be right' in the viewers eyes, but he is not wrong to his world, he is TRUE to his world.Even faithful to it.

Shadowman wrote:

Joshua Vallse wrote:it may even be tied to the MIR space station which I believe offically ended the Cold War for both America and Russia.

No, actually, Mir had nothing to do with the Cold War. It was launched in 1986, which is when things began to cool off between the US and Soviets, but it was unrelated to the Cold War, which wasn't "Officially" over for several more years in 1991, I think. It was no more instrumental in ending the Cold War than Transformers movie released the same year.

Anything havin to do with Russians during the 80's was related to the Cold War, haven't ya seen War Games! Ha ha, but anyways we cant be so foolish to think a small thing like the history books is going to stop someone like Bay! I mean, we have rumored time travel now, skies the limit Muahahaha

But I stil think it would be neat to include MIR, as noted it was the start of the desolving of the Cold War, which ended when the Iron Curtain fell, so it would make sense that around then is when Sector 7 and Russian Intel would begin comparing notes being they would both have a "Non Biological" in their nations possession. Also, just fun to say MIR was really a transformer, hence why we had to crash it finaly in 2001
~Josh

I have an interesting spin to add to this tunguska event theory. So lets suppose that shockwave did cause the tunguska event by his crash landing. Now the tunguska event happened in June so it wouldn't have been cold enough there to freeze him in stasis like megatron. I say he was just hurt so bad that he went into stasis from that similar to how sentinel prime is in stasis on the moon. (I read something about in a transformers series before that shockwave was in stasis on earth from being so badly damaged. Think it said he got hit by a rock slide lol...) Anyways so maybe the Russians took him in to be their science project like the Americans did with Megatron.

Now for the title of the movie."Dark of the Moon'. Ok so we all know the big space rush in the 1900's was between Russia and America both of who could have an alien robot in the basement and are reverse engineering them to make strides in their space program. So somehow they find out about the ship on the moon (no ideas on that yet) but they both know its there and want to get there first to see what they can learn about it and possible weapons on it.

As far as reviving shockwave I gotta wonder if soundwave has something to do with that as he did finding the all spark sliver. Gotta assume the decipticons are looking to schockwave for answers/help since megatron has taken an earthly form to hide and is still banged up from his last fight with prime. (we know he is still banged up by images of his toy fro the movie).

Anyways this is just an idea but let me know what you think.

Joshua Vallse wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Joshua Vallse wrote:it may even be tied to the MIR space station which I believe offically ended the Cold War for both America and Russia.

No, actually, Mir had nothing to do with the Cold War. It was launched in 1986, which is when things began to cool off between the US and Soviets, but it was unrelated to the Cold War, which wasn't "Officially" over for several more years in 1991, I think. It was no more instrumental in ending the Cold War than Transformers movie released the same year.

Anything havin to do with Russians during the 80's was related to the Cold War, haven't ya seen War Games! Ha ha, but anyways we cant be so foolish to think a small thing like the history books is going to stop someone like Bay! I mean, we have rumored time travel now, skies the limit Muahahaha

But I stil think it would be neat to include MIR, as noted it was the start of the desolving of the Cold War, which ended when the Iron Curtain fell, so it would make sense that around then is when Sector 7 and Russian Intel would begin comparing notes being they would both have a "Non Biological" in their nations possession. Also, just fun to say MIR was really a transformer, hence why we had to crash it finaly in 2001
~Josh

We all know what really ended the Cold War was Tetris.

BeastWarsFTW wrote:I read something about in a transformers series before that shockwave was in stasis on earth from being so badly damaged. Think it said he got hit by a rock slide lol...)

It was the IDW comics, and it was a volcanic eruption set off by Grimlock.

BeastWarsFTW wrote:I have an interesting spin to add to this tunguska event theory. So lets suppose that shockwave did cause the tunguska event by his crash landing. Now the tunguska event happened in June so it wouldn't have been cold enough there to freeze him in stasis like megatron. I say he was just hurt so bad that he went into stasis from that similar to how sentinel prime is in stasis on the moon. (I read something about in a transformers series before that shockwave was in stasis on earth from being so badly damaged. Think it said he got hit by a rock slide lol...) Anyways so maybe the Russians took him in to be their science project like the Americans did with Megatron.

Now for the title of the movie."Dark of the Moon'. Ok so we all know the big space rush in the 1900's was between Russia and America both of who could have an alien robot in the basement and are reverse engineering them to make strides in their space program. So somehow they find out about the ship on the moon (no ideas on that yet) but they both know its there and want to get there first to see what they can learn about it and possible weapons on it.

As far as reviving shockwave I gotta wonder if soundwave has something to do with that as he did finding the all spark sliver. Gotta assume the decipticons are looking to schockwave for answers/help since megatron has taken an earthly form to hide and is still banged up from his last fight with prime. (we know he is still banged up by images of his toy fro the movie).

Anyways this is just an idea but let me know what you think.

Yeah, that's a good theory. It would make a good movie.

BeastWarsFTW wrote: Gotta assume the decipticons are looking to schockwave for answers/help since megatron has taken an earthly form to hide and is still banged up from his last fight with prime. (we know he is still banged up by images of his toy fro the movie).

Anyways this is just an idea but let me know what you think.

Hmmmmm...All this time, I've been assuming Shockwave comes to Earth to eradicate Megatron for being a pretender to Shockwaves' Dictatorial throne...it never occured to me that he might be rushing in to take emergency command because Megz is in hiding.

Good angle.Nice theory.

Autobot Smoketreader wrote:

BeastWarsFTW wrote: Gotta assume the decipticons are looking to schockwave for answers/help since megatron has taken an earthly form to hide and is still banged up from his last fight with prime. (we know he is still banged up by images of his toy fro the movie).

Anyways this is just an idea but let me know what you think.

Hmmmmm...All this time, I've been assuming Shockwave comes to Earth to eradicate Megatron for being a pretender to Shockwaves' Dictatorial throne...it never occured to me that he might be rushing in to take emergency command because Megz is in hiding.

Good angle.Nice theory.

Thank you.

Some other points that may be are that Megatron knows shockwave is on earth somewhere and orders the decipticons to find him because of how badly damaged he is.

Another thing is that in the second movie megatron says to prime (while they were fighting) "there is another source of energon hidden on the planet" and I have a hard time believing he was talking about the sun harvester in the desert because "another" obviously means there is more than one. He could be referring to the cube being the first source and the sun harvester being the second but I still wonder if he meant the second source were actual energon crystals on the earth or moon somewhere. Maybe there really deep in the earth or moon (possibly why the ark crashed on the moon) and humans cant dig that far or something.

I mean why in the world would a whole freaking decipticon army come to earth? What could they possibly gain from conquering a planet with no energon? I know megz has a grudge against prime and the autobots but that seems a little rediculous to send a whole army to kill a few autobots and the humans and not to save the army to conquer cyberton? In bay verse cybertron is not inhabitable it is just ravaged from war I believe. The autobots only came to earth because bumblebee signaled for them in the junkyard in the first movie.

This is just another theory of mine but let me know what you think.

I could see the whole soundwave finds Shockwave. Even this pic from the movie news feed shows there standing together in the streets.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/the-decepticons-show-their-faces-in-chicago-once-more/19360/

And I'm not sure if Autobot Skyhammer is in the movie or not, but he resembles a Russian Hind helo IMO anyways.

BeastWarsFTW wrote:I mean why in the world would a whole freaking decipticon army come to earth? What could they possibly gain from conquering a planet with no energon?

EDIT: That was three things, I am awful at math:

1. To kill every single Autobot..

2. Energon can be refined from other energy sources, which was the Decepticons MO for much of G1.

3. The Sun harvester refined Energon from stars.

BeastWarsFTW wrote:I know megz has a grudge against prime and the autobots but that seems a little rediculous to send a whole army to kill a few autobots and the humans and not to save the army to conquer cyberton?

This is Megatron we're talking about. he started the war in the first place, and continued waging it long after Cybertron is a dead heap.

The thing is, why conquer a planet if you're going let your sworn enemies have a nice new one? It's not about Cybertron, it's about killing every last Autobot.

BeastWarsFTW wrote:In bay verse cybertron is not inhabitable it is just ravaged from war I believe. The autobots only came to earth because bumblebee signaled for them in the junkyard in the first movie.

They came to Earth for the AllSpark, they made that one pretty apparent.

Shadowman wrote:

BeastWarsFTW wrote:I mean why in the world would a whole freaking decipticon army come to earth? What could they possibly gain from conquering a planet with no energon?

Two things:

1. To kill every single Autobot..

2. Energon can be refined from other energy sources, which was the Decepticons MO for much of G1.

3. The Sun harvester refined Energon from stars.

BeastWarsFTW wrote:I know megz has a grudge against prime and the autobots but that seems a little rediculous to send a whole army to kill a few autobots and the humans and not to save the army to conquer cyberton?

This is Megatron we're talking about. he started the war in the first place, and continued waging it long after Cybertron is a dead heap.

The thing is, why conquer a planet if you're going let your sworn enemies have a nice new one? It's not about Cybertron, it's about killing every last Autobot.

BeastWarsFTW wrote:In bay verse cybertron is not inhabitable it is just ravaged from war I believe. The autobots only came to earth because bumblebee signaled for them in the junkyard in the first movie.

They came to Earth for the AllSpark, they made that one pretty apparent.

Agreed, you made good arguments. Ok bad theory lol so stick with my other one.

Megatron and Prime join forces to beat Shockwave!

Sorry, this is just a great thread and I felt I should say so even though I've nothing to contribute. I think there's more intelligence in the posts here than will ever end up in the film but I'm having a great time reading it. So, without wishing to completely derail this thing, please continue, speculation adds to antici.....

Cliche or not, I wouldn't mind that storyline. I'd like it better if Shockwave had been here the whole time planning an invasion from the inside. Further showcasing the TF's are superior to the human race, as Megatron and the Fallen started to do in ROTF when the went public(no pun intended).

Mr O wrote: please continue, speculation adds to antici.....

I never knew speculation added to "antici fire".

Moving forward, your thoughts about this might not be too far off. I see perhaps two things going on, Megatron is either killed off early, be it Autobots or Star Screams backstabbing, end result will be a villianous void to fill for the duration of the movie; enter Shockwave.

Or, Megatron is backstabbed by Starscream, in an attempt to get in good with the new big baddie (Shockwave) because there's simply too many cooks in the ol' evil lair kitchen,and Megatron conspires with the Autobots to regain command of his own faction. Then backstabs everyone, then we enter into epic battle, conclusion, Linkin Park Song, Thee End.

I see both more then a possibility, just because both Shockwave and Megatron are too simular in design and such to play side by side of each other in a Michael Bay film. Bay has a newer, shinny toy in the form of Shcokwave, I see him killing off Megatron early on. With his whimsical Burlap Tarp/Cape

Mr O wrote:Megatron and Prime join forces to beat Shockwave!

yeah, That'd be so cool if they would Tag team on Shockwave.

Joshua Vallse wrote: Bay has a newer, shinny toy in the form of Shcokwave, I see him killing off Megatron early on.

I have to disagree. Megatron would not have been given an entire new alternate mode and a new toy to go with it just to have it wasted in the first act. Yeah, it would have been an awesome way to establish Shockwave as the new badass on the block, but then Megatron would have been marginalized as a supporting character, much like he was in RoTF, and that was one of the things that made RoTF so bad.

Also, I don't want Shockwave to go down the same road of The Fallen, where all he does is run his mouth. He couldn't even give Prime a good fight.

That sounds awesome! I have theory. Okay what if Shockwave does come in 1908, and Russia takes Shockwave for their experiments like us did with Megatron. I heard somewhere that Megatron could still think while he was frozen, what if Shockwave could do the same. So he plans an evasion to make earth the new cybertron. Then Optimus Prime, Ironhide, and Lennox find out about him and go get when they go he breaks free and finds Megatron. he tells Megatron his plan. Megatron also has a plan and they put thier plans together. so Shockwave goes and finds all the Decepticons he can, while Megatron gets all the Decepticons on earth together to form an army. Also part of Shockwave's plans are to betray Megatron and take control of the decepticons and earth. Because he failed(ROTF).
Just a theory

Also what about Dylan's character. I am not sure if this was a rumor or what. but does he build those nascar vehicals so the can be alt modes for transformers? If he does, maybe, he makes the weapons for humans(like that thing on sam's hand)and the MechTech and the stealthforce mode for the transformers so they are prepared for their last battle or something.

hmm, then they can add tie ins to more human history, explaining the cold war and our "Race to Space" as a competition between the only two nations with a transformer to reverse engineer from. PLOT TWIST!
they'll probably reveal this halfway through the movie.
heh, maybe they'll make someone do a Reagan impression for a flashback or something...
"Mr. Gorbechev(sp?), tear down this.... (transformer?)!