The Energon Pub

[o.supreme]

Well that was odd. For the entire length of the movie franchise, although I run the gamut of emotions and thoughts about trailers ranging from pretty cool to meh...I've never seen anything that incited an angry response until this morning, of course it could all be for nothing.

*Hopefully* what we are not seeing is Grimlock getting killed off (ala Leadfoot and Ratchet in AoE) . You don't kill the family dog...you just don't.

[william-james88]

Wonder in the dinobots with actually get to be something other than mindless wreaking machines. I certainly hope so. They were a disappointment in AoE.

You will be super dissapointed then, because it has been said that Grimlock is the only dinobot returning from AOE.

When did they say that? From all of the interviews and news articles I've read, they've never mentioned it being only Grimlock in the movie. They always said "the return of the dinobots" with the addition of newer minidinobots. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

Mark Walhberg mentioned mini dinobots, so not what we previously saw. And the producer said that grimlock has a role in the begining.

And thats it. There has been no mention of all the dinobots from the previous film returning, please show me where you read that.

Here is the mention:

So is it more than Grimlock, or mostly Grimlock?

Di Bonaventura: There’s a few others, but Grimlock is, to me–I like Grimlock the most, so that’s probably why I talk the most about it, you know? And I just saw a sequence, so that’s probably why it’s on the top of my head. He’s funny. He’s like a naughty dog in this movie. He’s really sheepish when he does something wrong. He’s a great character. He’s really–we’re bringing out a side of him that you’re going to like–you’re going to relate to.

From reading that, I would really not put my hopes up to see anything more than grimlock with significant screentime.

[Dagon]

Wonder in the dinobots with actually get to be something other than mindless wreaking machines. I certainly hope so. They were a disappointment in AoE.

You will be super dissapointed then, because it has been said that Grimlock is the only dinobot returning from AOE.

When did they say that? From all of the interviews and news articles I've read, they've never mentioned it being only Grimlock in the movie. They always said "the return of the dinobots" with the addition of newer minidinobots. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

Mark Walhberg mentioned mini dinobots, so not what we previously saw. And the producer said that grimlock has a role in the begining.

And thats it. There has been no mention of all the dinobots from the previous film returning, please show me where you read that.

We are all no doubt aware of the impeccable continuity from one movie to the next, so we know how improbably it is that a character would either appear or disappear without any explanation.

[o.supreme]

Mark Walhberg mentioned mini dinobots, so not what we previously saw. And the producer said that grimlock has a role in the beginning. And that's it.

I actually had no idea any Dinobots would be in this film, but this now even raises my suspicions. Looks like Cemetery Wind, or something worse still exists. Probably all the other Dinobots were hunted down in between films and Grimlock is the last... ...Really hope I am wrong.

[Guitarbot]

Can he please just keep his friggin word and leave the franchise so these movies MAY actually be able to get someone GOOD making them.

Like who?

Good is a subjective opinion there is no universal answer to who is the best choice and you know why?

Because there is no best choice that's how life works there is no perfect choice or ways to do things Bay leaving the movies isn't going to magically make them amazing and there is all the other people who work on the movies like producers and screen writers.


What would you do to make the movies "better" more robot screen time, no humans in a human made franchise?

How to make the movies "better"? How about internal logical consistency within the narrative and/or the franchise?

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

I just noticed that Cade is on Optimus in that last shot of the trailer. Wonder what he's doing there?

[o.supreme]

What would you do to make the movies "better" more robot screen time, no humans in a human made franchise?

I agree with your statement that removing Michael Bay does not automatically make the movie franchise better, but this above statement puzzles me. Are you stating that just because we are humans, and we make films, that the films themselves have to have human characters? Or are you saying that because this particular version of Transformers relies heavily on human characters over the past 5 films, that all-of-a-sudden removing them would not make things better?

In either case, the best 3 movies in TF history (yes I know this is my opinion but...) were:

1.Transformers:The Movie (1986) -very little human involvement
2. Predacons Rising -zero humans &
3. Beast Wars II: Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger -zero humans

My ideal Transformers film would be one with no humans, taking place perhaps between Cybertron and other Alien Worlds, but whether or not that could be done with this franchise, or require a full reboot I guess remains to be seen.

All that being said, I don't hate the current film series as many fans do. I really liked the first film, the 2nd and 3rd had great action sequences, but the human cast killed it for me, so I very rarely watch them. The 4th film actually made a great choice ditching most of the humans from the first 3 and replacing them with *better* choices IMHO. As for this 5th film, I reserve judgment until I actually see it.

[Stuartmaximus]

Erm...does the toy Bee we've seen come with a hammer?


+ who's that rushing Bee near the end where he's about to attack Optimus?

[o.supreme]

Also the alien/Quintesson/Unicron/ "creator" voice is female...

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Erm...does the toy Bee we've seen come with a hammer?


+ who's that rushing Bee near the end where he's about to attack Optimus?

No the toy seen so far does not have that.

I don't see anyone rushing Bee?

So Optimus accepts a mission of redemption from his creators? Willingly or what?

Also, with Grimlock: does it look like he is teleporting right into the ground? It just looks like he shows up magically in a blast of dirt

[Stuartmaximus]

Erm...does the toy Bee we've seen come with a hammer?


+ who's that rushing Bee near the end where he's about to attack Optimus?

No the toy seen so far does not have that.

I don't see anyone rushing Bee?

So Optimus accepts a mission of redemption from his creators? Willingly or what?

Also, with Grimlock: does it look like he is teleporting right into the ground? It just looks like he shows up magically in a blast of dirt

maybe Bee nicked the hammer from Solus Prime(the alien female voiced creator) (just a theory)

btw Grimlock is tunneling up from out of the ground

[Big Grim]

Di Bonaventura: There’s a few others, but Grimlock is, to me–I like Grimlock the most, so that’s probably why I talk the most about it, you know? And I just saw a sequence, so that’s probably why it’s on the top of my head. He’s funny. He’s like a naughty dog in this movie. He’s really sheepish when he does something wrong. He’s a great character. He’s really–we’re bringing out a side of him that you’re going to like–you’re going to relate to.

Wow. When I think Grimlock, I do not think "Sheepish, naughty dog." Even in the last film, his first action was transform and attack! I despair.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Erm...does the toy Bee we've seen come with a hammer?


+ who's that rushing Bee near the end where he's about to attack Optimus?

No the toy seen so far does not have that.

I don't see anyone rushing Bee?

So Optimus accepts a mission of redemption from his creators? Willingly or what?

Also, with Grimlock: does it look like he is teleporting right into the ground? It just looks like he shows up magically in a blast of dirt

maybe Bee nicked the hammer from Solus Prime(the alien female voiced creator) (just a theory)

btw Grimlock is tunneling up from out of the ground

I actually really like the forge of solus prime idea, but judging by the matching yellow on the hammer I think it's Bumblebee's.

[Houstonian Prime]

Awesome! Great teaser!! Cannot wait until this thing comes out. Looking forward to every bit of it. Why so many complaints? A true t'formers fan will accept it for what it is, not what YOU think it should be... so sick of reading about it. Enough with the speculation already. I love everything there is about the brand, past and present. Take the good, with the not so good. Brings joy to each and every one of my days. Wishing it would do the same for others. Either learn to live with it or find something else to b!+c# about. We should be celebrating this, not criticizing.

[william-james88]

What would you do to make the movies "better" more robot screen time, no humans in a human made franchise?

Cars is a human made franchise and they dont have any humans in it, so I dont really get that last point.

And the toys in Toy story have waaaaaay more screen time than any human. So I really dont think thats related to anything.

Also, that Combiner Wars youtube show had no humans... oh wait, forget that last part.

[Stuartmaximus]

Grimlock down(sounds like a movie itself)

[noctorro]

Awesome, just awsome.

I really hope they don't kill Grimlock.

I can't take stuff like that anymore.

[william-james88]

Awesome, just awsome.

I really hope they don't kill Grimlock.

I can't take stuff like that anymore.

Dont worry, I am sure they wont

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Awesome, just awsome.

I really hope they don't kill Grimlock.

I can't take stuff like that anymore.

Dont worry, I am sure they wont

I don't think those TRF guys could kill Grimlock, but it would be entertaining to watch them try! Also, when we get the Optimus close-up, not only does he have the red paint on his face, but the blue paint on that side of his head is gone

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Also, when we get the Optimus close-up, not only does he have the red paint on his face, but the blue paint on that side of his head is gone

Return of Sentinel Prime haunting Optimus?

[Kurona]

I'd be surprised if they kill Grimlock off. He was the big deal of the last movie, yeah, but surely a friggin' giant robot T-rex Optimus rides is still a selling point?

[Deadput]

What would you do to make the movies "better" more robot screen time, no humans in a human made franchise?

Cars is a human made franchise and they dont have any humans in it, so I dont really get that last point.

And the toys in Toy story have waaaaaay more screen time than any human. So I really dont think thats related to anything.

Also, that Combiner Wars youtube show had no humans... oh wait, forget that last part.

Never been a good explainer or decent with words sorry.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... rsAreHuman


For example my Mum really could not care that much for the robots themselves because their not real she mostly sees the movies just to watch an action movie that and she is going to watch this movie because Mark Wahlberg is in it.

My point being that humans are necessary to be in the movies because one the movies are not leaving Earth anytime soon unless we get an animated cartoon that is not live action but mostly because humans connect better with humans.

Also removing humans isn't going to make the movies magically amazing either its the plot not the characters in the plot that need adjustments.

[Kurona]

There's also, of course, the point of production to consider. Animating sophisticated CGI like this for... what's the average length of these movies, 2 and a half hours? on end is extremely taxing on the wallet. They've been able to give more screentime to the 'bots with each consecutive movie but focusing on humans and giving them screentime is also a budgetary reason as much as it is a so-people-can-relate-easier reason.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

*ehem* I will ask again: Has anyone thought of the possibility that Optimus is haunted by the dead Sentinel Prime?

[Deadput]

There's also, of course, the point of production to consider. Animating sophisticated CGI like this for... what's the average length of these movies, 2 and a half hours? on end is extremely taxing on the wallet. They've been able to give more screentime to the 'bots with each consecutive movie but focusing on humans and giving them screentime is also a budgetary reason as much as it is a so-people-can-relate-easier reason.

This too I just didn't mention it because I hope most people actually understand how difficult making believable Cgi like this with only half a year after filming to get it done before the movie comes out.