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News Credits: 273 · by **Delicon** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:27 pm

The Los Angeles Times ran an article today which featured Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen as well spotlighting the past success of director Michael Bay. While such articles are appearing all over the country this week, this story contains some rather interesting data about "exit polls."

Paramount's national exit polling revealed several notable facts. While the first "Transformers" film, released in 2007, skewed 60-40 toward men over women, the split in the new film was more even at 54% male, 46% female. More than 90% of those surveyed said the new movie was as good as or better than the first film. About 67% of moviegoers polled said the film was "excellent," an even better score than that generated by Paramount's "Star Trek," one of the year's best-reviewed movies.

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News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:43 pm

Its stuff like this that makes those Hulu.com commercials pure genius.

News Credits: 23 · by **1337W422102** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:16 pm

"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:21 pm

1337W422102 wrote:"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

by **Fananga** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:24 pm

I call Bullshit.

Seriosuly. Better than Star Trek?

....I knew Scotty's little pet thing should have Humped more.

by **Primus C-00** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:10 pm

1337W422102 wrote:"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

*Lolth*

Seriously like Paramount are going to publish or even acknowledge the existence of any exit poll results that would in anyway harm their cash cow.

:lol:

News Credits: 3 · by **Archanubis** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:13 pm

I think this movies proves that Transformers fans are as much a force to be reckoned with - and just as contensious - as either Star Trek or Star Wars fans.

TransFans are also used to "continuity resets" more than the other two, as well.

Fananga wrote:Seriosuly. Better than Star Trek?

Primus C-00 wrote:Seriously like Paramount are going to publish or even acknowledge the existence of any exit poll results that would in anyway harm their cash cow.

You two do realize that Star Trek is a Paramount product, right?

News Credits: 8 · by **Megatron Wolf** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:34 pm

Better then star trek? are you frakin kidding me? Trek was 100 times better than bayformers 2. Hate to say it but so was Terminator. I enjoyed both those movies a lot more then ROTF. I guarantee if Megan Fox were running in slow mo in those movies and shia ladouche and his horrid acting(if you can call his add ridden rants acting) were there as well even for a minute they'd be just as good to those people. Oh and dont forget the shitload of explosions gotta have them.

News Credits: 1 · by **T-Macksimus** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:11 pm

Archanubis wrote:I think this movies proves that Transformers fans are as much a force to be reckoned with - and just as contensious - as either Star Trek or Star Wars fans.

TransFans are also used to "continuity resets" more than the other two, as well.

This would explain why I didn't bat an eye at how the path of the new Trek Movie went.

Although you do have to admit that while Trek has had fewer full on "resets" they have had WAY more "tamperings with" in regards to the timelines which also helps.

I'm a fan of all 3, TF's, SW and Trek and I have to say that, in all fairness, you really can't call one better or worse than the other. They are all seperate creatures and the recent Trek movie and RotF were so much like apples and oranges that you can only say one was better for your own tastes. A blanket statement just will not work and those who think it does can take their arrogance and stuff it because I know someone is going to be foolhardy enough to try and shove their opinion down my throat like its some damn scientific fact. I don't want to piss anyone off, well, for the most part...some folks I don't mind, but mostly I just want people to step back and really think about how much of a disservice they are doing themselves by firing off snap judgements and then shoving them off on others.

Also (and this is mostly for the "haters") take a second look at those figures from the poll indicating the gender balance. That aint all "Fangirls" making up those statistics, those are Moms, Aunts, Sisters, Grandmas, all types going to see this and generally with kids in tow. They are the reason you die hards are having issues with the new movie and guess what?? THEY OUTNUMBER YOU!! So quit your complaining because Hasbro and Michael Bay hit the bullseye on this one and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it and you know what...they are going to do it one last time in 2012 whether you like it or not JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN! This is now everyones franchise!

"My wallet hurts!"
"'Course it hurts, it just got an ass kickin'"

by **hugoace** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:34 pm

ROTF is Batman & Robin

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:01 pm

i don't get this critic stuff. I'm not saying they have to kiss Bay's butt or anything, but they're seein the movie for free for christsakes. They could at least say 1 positive thing about the film. It's different if you paid for a flick and it was terrible. Also, to the haters - if you don't like it, then don't watch it. Simple as that.

by **BATTLEMASTER IIC** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:51 pm

Most of the film critics are too old-fashioned to appreciate all this movie has to offer compared to the moviegoers. The $400 million that this film has made shows that.

by **Primus C-00** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:55 am

Archanubis wrote:I think this movies proves that Transformers fans are as much a force to be reckoned with - and just as contensious - as either Star Trek or Star Wars fans.

TransFans are also used to "continuity resets" more than the other two, as well.

Fananga wrote:Seriosuly. Better than Star Trek?

Primus C-00 wrote:Seriously like Paramount are going to publish or even acknowledge the existence of any exit poll results that would in anyway harm their cash cow.

You two do realize that Star Trek is a Paramount product, right?

And the better movie?

Of course!

:grin:

by **Joshua Vallse** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:59 am

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

HA HA HA HA,
If only TF2 featured two future governors.....or Bot nipples. Wait, did the Isabella bot have laser nipples? (Isabella mode doesn't count)

I agree I enjoyed Terminator more, and Star Trek, and I'm not really a core fan of either. I saw this film three times and loved it verses when I took my siblings out to watch TF2 after I already saw it Thrusday...it felt more like a chore then a fun experience. In fact the more I watch TF2, the more things I find wrong with it verses me enjoying it more....*sigh*

Hopefully Spielberg is pressured to find another Director and greenlight TF3 before Bay falls off his high arse horse.
-Josh

News Credits: 127 · by **Counterpunch** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:14 am

I love how the films and their influence are stepping on and crushing all of the old expectations of what the franchise is supposed to be about.

Every time someone's perception of what Transformers is gets challenged, first by Beast Wars, then Beast Machines, then Armada, then Animated...the bleating and crying of some out there just proves that the franchise is on the right track.

Because those same people are the ones who would have rode the 1984-1985 cartoon ride into its grave. If the franchise did not change, become something new, challenge perceptions, and tell different stories, it would have long ago been forgotten.

I've got enough credibility on the boards and the fandom that no one out there is going to be able to say that I'm a Bay supporter, a GEEWUN-er, an anti-GEEWUN-er, or otherwise. My favorite franchise story is the Unicron Trilogy. I didn't like Animated and I thought Robots in Disguise was a lot of fun. My shelves are packed with G1 toys, everything from Prime and Twin Twist to Victory Leo and Chainclaw. So, I'm either a TRUE FAN or I'm RUINING TRANSFORMERS FOREVER. Maybe both.

I enjoy the franchise and most all of what it has to offer, but when I don't (as with Animated), I don't set out to ruin other fan's enjoyment of the series.

I don't make inferences at their taste or intelligence. Talking about how the movie was bad, poorly written, under developed, lacking judgment, poorly representing characters, too fast paced, too slow paced, too violent, too sexy, etc etc etc. These are all valid discussion points.

Check your agendas at the door though people, because I am pretty sick of seeing some of the posts which contain back-handed insults to others. Calling out others with insults because they enjoyed the film is not a valid discussion point and I am going to start taking some action on repeat offenders.

Like Optimus_Prime007 on Facebook · by **Optimus_Prime007** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:34 am

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

Care to state why or just leave quick spam?

I am a Batman fan and i didn't like that movie either due to the bad acting and crazy campy reality it took place in.

I thought ROTF was great and it played very well to people of all ages. Anyone could walk into the theater and watch this movie and enjoy it. I'm glad its doing so well repaying the budget so that we can have a great 3rd movie in 2012.

I'd rather have this movie, then a movie that the general public hates and the TF community loves. The simple reason is that the movies would die out so quickly that only we would care to watch it/remember it.

Counterpunch wrote:I love how the films and their influence are stepping on and crushing all of the old expectations of what the franchise is supposed to be about.

I agree with you, I'd rather see a new perspective on TFs instead of remakes of old episodes.

Counterpunch wrote:Check your agendas at the door though people, because I am pretty sick of seeing some of the posts which contain back-handed insults to others. Calling out others with insults because they enjoyed the film is not a valid discussion point and I am going to start taking some action on repeat offenders.

News Credits: 104 · by **Cyber Bishop** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:42 am

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

This is the second thread that you posted this in.
All of our posts bash the movie.
Are you here just to bash the movie and attempt to bait people into an argument?

News Credits: 8 · by **Megatron Wolf** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:59 pm

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

Thats a good one. Both movies had bad acting but at least ROTF didnt have nipple suits.

by **Fananga** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:23 pm

Well if we have to go through a 'Batman & Robin' to get to a 'Dark Knight' then im all for it

by **Rock Sexton** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:32 pm

1337W422102 wrote:"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

Hahahahah

It's true. People should just fess up to it already. Mike Judge wasn't that far off with "Ideocracy" .....

by **Rock Sexton** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:34 pm

BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:Most of the film critics are too old-fashioned to appreciate all this movie has to offer compared to the moviegoers. The $400 million that this film has made shows that.

See that's not true at all. I've read PLENTY of critics who are in their 20's and 30's who have torn this movie to shreds.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:58 pm

Rock Sexton wrote:
BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:Most of the film critics are too old-fashioned to appreciate all this movie has to offer compared to the moviegoers. The $400 million that this film has made shows that.

See that's not true at all. I've read PLENTY of critics who are in their 20's and 30's who have torn this movie to shreds.

But are these critics well versed in G1 and comics? Probably not. Then they should shut their mouths. They can analyze it strictly from a movie POV only -- anything else they mention about authenticity or legitimacy of TF lore can be thrown out. And again, there are some story points I don't exactly agree with, but this is a complete re-imagining of TF and it's story, and I'm willing to accept that. You'd get sick of it if your favorite music artist put out an album in the same exact style 10 times wouldn't you? In this case, reinvention is good.

by **Rock Sexton** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:53 pm

vectorA3 wrote:But are these critics well versed in G1 and comics? Probably not. Then they should shut their mouths. They can analyze it strictly from a movie POV only -- anything else they mention about authenticity or legitimacy of TF lore can be thrown out. And again, there are some story points I don't exactly agree with, but this is a complete re-imagining of TF and it's story, and I'm willing to accept that. You'd get sick of it if your favorite music artist put out an album in the same exact style 10 times wouldn't you? In this case, reinvention is good.

Doesn't matter if they were well-versed. This movie is for a "general audience" ........... I wouldn't even call this a re-invention. It's just filler for the times the robots aren't fighting or there's not CGI.

The first one had a soul. This one lacked it.

by **Fananga** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:57 am

Yeah to be fair i respect the opinion of the non Trans-fan critics more simply because they lok at it as a film.

This is a Badly written/directed film but the Dedicated Trans-fans out there would love it if it had been Directed by Kermit the Frog.

by **Joshua Vallse** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:15 am

Fananga wrote:Well if we have to go through a 'Batman & Robin' to get to a 'Dark Knight' then im all for it

Don't Jynx it, remember "Batman Forever" came before "Batman and Robin".....Bay might be running his film train in reverse. In which we might get a robo arse shot ala "Forever". Or Grimlock voiced by Jim Carrey's "Grinch" persona.

*Shudder*

BTW, I haven't seen too many post release Ravage rants. Anyone else here not care for Ravages look? The character played out well enough, but the look was just dreadful. And even Frenzy transformed into a stereo, you would think Ravage would transform into a Sat Com pack or some other military communications piece. Just to keep with theme and give Ravage some sort of Transformation. I always find it moot to have Transformers in a movie titled so that don't transform. Hence why I didn't care for the Fallen, bastard didn't transform either.
My God its 5 in the morning....ugh
Laters,
Josh I-)