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[william-james88]

D-Max, which do you think is better overall, MPM Screamer or HftD leader Screamer?

Yikes, hard decision.

Both transformations are really fun and good to do, and are different enough it's not like it's the same figure.

Jet modes are both really solid. I would hand the RotF leader the slightly better jet mode overall, but it also depends on how you feel about tattoos vs. regular F22 paint work.

Robot modes both have strengths and weaknesses. RotF leader feels more solid, but is backheavy and needs ankle tilts and wrist swivels. MPM is much more detailed and accurate, and is more balanced, but lack of bicep swivels and the loose shoulder kinda negate that.

Overall, I can't really give a recommendation on one or the other. They are both pretty equal to one another in terms of good toys. MPM would win if you are more a stickler for movie accuracy as the 2, but that's about the only way the tie is broken

It's cool to know that they are equal. I love the HFTD Leader. Would you say either or is the best Starscream toy ever released (movie or otherwise) ?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

D-Max, which do you think is better overall, MPM Screamer or HftD leader Screamer?

Yikes, hard decision.

Both transformations are really fun and good to do, and are different enough it's not like it's the same figure.

Jet modes are both really solid. I would hand the RotF leader the slightly better jet mode overall, but it also depends on how you feel about tattoos vs. regular F22 paint work.

Robot modes both have strengths and weaknesses. RotF leader feels more solid, but is backheavy and needs ankle tilts and wrist swivels. MPM is much more detailed and accurate, and is more balanced, but lack of bicep swivels and the loose shoulder kinda negate that.

Overall, I can't really give a recommendation on one or the other. They are both pretty equal to one another in terms of good toys. MPM would win if you are more a stickler for movie accuracy as the 2, but that's about the only way the tie is broken

It's cool to know that they are equal. I love the HFTD Leader. Would you say either or is the best Starscream toy ever released (movie or otherwise) ?

I would have to say no, but both are close to being top of both piles. No other Starscream has really come close to them outside the movies for me, but in all cases, I think the SS figure is the better Starscream and best one made

[-Kanrabat-]

I have a soft spot for the OG 2007 voyager mold.
I'm weird that way.

[Tuned Agent]

D-Max, which do you think is better overall, MPM Screamer or HftD leader Screamer?

Yikes, hard decision.

Both transformations are really fun and good to do, and are different enough it's not like it's the same figure.

Jet modes are both really solid. I would hand the RotF leader the slightly better jet mode overall, but it also depends on how you feel about tattoos vs. regular F22 paint work.

Robot modes both have strengths and weaknesses. RotF leader feels more solid, but is backheavy and needs ankle tilts and wrist swivels. MPM is much more detailed and accurate, and is more balanced, but lack of bicep swivels and the loose shoulder kinda negate that.

Overall, I can't really give a recommendation on one or the other. They are both pretty equal to one another in terms of good toys. MPM would win if you are more a stickler for movie accuracy as the 2, but that's about the only way the tie is broken

It's cool to know that they are equal. I love the HFTD Leader. Would you say either or is the best Starscream toy ever released (movie or otherwise) ?

I would have to say no, but both are close to being top of both piles. No other Starscream has really come close to them outside the movies for me, but in all cases, I think the SS figure is the better Starscream and best one made

Thanks D-Max. I've only ever heard good things about the HftD leader, so for the MPM to be as good even with a few blemishes is high praise.

I have a soft spot for the OG 2007 voyager mold.
I'm weird that way.

That mold is a good example of why accuracy isn't everything. It sucks accuracy-wise, but once you get past that it's actually pretty fun. I mean, how can you go wrong with miniguns for hands?

[-Kanrabat-]

Furthermore, the 2007 voyager Starscream have one of the sweetest automorph gimmick ever. Plus the fact that the arms and legs of the bot are not really part of the vehicle make it easily swappable for some mad customs.

Ironically the 2007 mold is my #1 Bayverse Starscream. Next is the HFTD leader. And after, the DOTM deluxe and the SS voyager on equal term. The ROTF voyager is an abomination that dosent exist.

As for where the MPM will rank on my personal list? Time will tell.
Lots and LOTS of time.

[Rysquad]

Finally spotted MPM-10 at my Target.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Some long overdue pics of Starscream with the other MPMs. MPM Starscream has really grown on me, his transformation is a beauty, it's so enjoyable. He is a fun toy to play with and switch modes

[ZeroWolf]

Is that shelf going to be big enough when you get Ratchet?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Is that shelf going to be big enough when you get Ratchet?

No, I'm going to need to figure something out when he arrives.

[-Kanrabat-]

Well, I did NOT expect that.

MPM Starscream at Toys R Us Laval, QUEBEC!!!!

For 230$CAN plus taxes.

[Hellscream9999]

Well, I did NOT expect that.

MPM Starscream at Toys R Us Laval, QUEBEC!!!!

For 230$CAN plus taxes.

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lol I can do one better, target (not my pic):

[-Kanrabat-]

lol I can do one better, target (not my pic):

[Hellscream9999]

lol I can do one better, target (not my pic):

Yeah, I had similar feelings, I had been waiting for christmas coupons to get him, but 50% off is way better - so much for budgeting money...

...it's a great figure

[-Kanrabat-]

I still had a deal with the Amazon.jp price.
I can expect Target to pull a "50% off" shenanigan sooner or later. But it's mostly the scalpers who will benefit.

The real pain come from the fact that I must wait until MID NOVEMBER to get mine.
It's unfair.

[Sowndwave76]

Maybe news-worthy that my local Target had MPM for 50% off.

[Bounti76]

Well only about a month has passed since Movie Masterpiece Starscream went on sale at Target, the exclusive distributor in the U.S. Even so, we have word from Seibertronians Hellscream9999 and Sowndwave76 that he's already on clearance pricing, for $74.99, or half off his MSRP of $149.99. Photo proof is provided below.





What do you think this represents? A quick clear out to make room for MPM-11 Ratchet, who's due out next week? A different conclusion altogether? Feel free to speculate away below!

[-Kanrabat-]

I have absolutely no clue WTF Target is thinking. The Holidays season is just around the corner, Black Friday is not even here yet, and that MPM Starscream JUST came out.

SO WHY PUT ON CLEARANCE A NEW THING?

Clearance is meant to get rid of old shelf clogger or overstock. There will be a few lucky fans who will be able to get their MPM Starscream at that price but we all know it will only benifit scalpers.

Meanwhile, those like me who ordered from Amazon.jp are still waiting, Canadians get the shaft with their 230$CAN pricetag, Quebec get screwed as usual, and Age-3-And-Up (and especially their consumers) must be pretty PISSED.

[Ravage2031]

I'm going to carry my old receipt for when I paid full price and if I see it for $75 buy it and return it for full price. Yeah, maybe a dick move but $75 is $75.

[-Kanrabat-]

I'm going to carry my old receipt for when I paid full price and if I see it for $75 buy it and return it for full price. Yeah, maybe a dick move but $75 is $75.

Not a "dick move" at all. It's the RIGHT thing to do. As long that you are in within the legal time limit. You just have to return with your receipt and they refund the difference.

The "specials window" in Quebec is 2 weeks or a month (I think) but with Toys R Us Club R, it's 3 months. That's why I don't hesitate buying things full price at TrU because the special price always come sooner or later. Now I'm waiting with my Skylinx receipt.

[blackeyedprime]

They probably realised it's a mass factory defect from having missing thrusters in jet mode and that's why they reduced it Version 2.5 to follow for a reasonable $300

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

That’s an awesome deal! I’d love to pick it up but after buying SS Scavenger, Jetfire, ROTF Megatron, and Leadfoot all in a short time span I’ve depleted my Transformers budget for quite a while.

[o.supreme]

I really wanted to comment about this earlier, but now is the perfect time. I know that as far as high priced toys go comparing ER Scorponok and MPM Starscream isn't exactly the same but c'mon...

Target obviously backed the wrong horse on this one. I have been seeing this MPM everywhere, while Scorponok is extremely hard to find. I myself have never personally seen it on a store shelf, though I have seen it's price marker and shelf space reserved for it at a few stores. (I fought with 2 levels of management to get the one I have out of the back room, and my daughter actually saw one on another occasion, no other sightings since).... Imagine if Scorponok was available only 25% as often as MPM Starscream, Target would be be making quite a bit of profit, and certainly no reason to go on clearance.

[Hellscream9999]

I really wanted to comment about this earlier, but now is the perfect time. I know that as far as high priced toys go comparing ER Scorponok and MPM Starscream isn't exactly the same but c'mon...

Target obviously backed the wrong horse on this one. I have been seeing this MPM everywhere, while Scorponok is extremely hard to find. I myself have never personally seen it on a store shelf, though I have seen it's price marker and shelf space reserved for it at a few stores. (I fought with 2 levels of management to get the one I have out of the back room, and my daughter actually saw one on another occasion, no other sightings since).... Imagine if Scorponok was available only 25% as often as MPM Starscream, Target would be be making quite a bit of profit, and certainly no reason to go on clearance.

I feel kinda bad, but at least they're out here trying to be more collector friendly, way more than I will ever be able to say for wal mart or the like; but as far as comparisons to scorponok goes, I think you're right, there is way more interest in him than mpm starscream, except starscream takes up way less space on the shelf

[zatara1701]

Target is already pretty collector friendly... They might have done better to place it in the collector section instead of the toys... Plus, let's be honest, while Masterpiece TF's are still coole per see, they have gotten quite pricey. Hell, even at $75 I wouldn't pull the trigger.

While I have a decent number of MP's in my collection, I have shyed away from them simply because I would rather spend a fraction of the money on a cool toy that looks good, still has playability and I will not freak out if it takes a tumble off it's shelf from my dogs, my son or any other unfortunate accident. And while I cannot speak for everyone, I know I still like being able to "play" with my toys from time to time... taking 30 minutes to an hour to transform something sucks the fun out of it.

$400 for Prime also sucked the spirit out of it... Lack of variety sucked the fun out of them... How many times are we going to redo OP and Starscream?? Then you have half a dozen versions of the same toy after that to clog the line up. Being from a retail background, the reason it is one clearance is probably because they do not have any more in the pipeline... If the supply has been exhausted then they want to clear that shelf space to make room for other stuff. They should still put it with all the collector toys and such near the electronics area if they want to sell them and retain the profit... sad part is they are probably still making a chunk of change off $75.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I actually want to pull 2 things from your comment to address in at least Starscream's case

Masterpiece TF's are still coole per see, they have gotten quite pricey. Hell, even at $75 I wouldn't pull the trigger.

While MPs have gotten really pricey, the MPMs are still around the old day prices. Megatron and Starscream were the first to break the $100 retail price point (Prime and Ironhide were $99.99), and they have been worth that price. They've been impressively sized and intricate, I don't have a problem with the MPM prices. Other MPs, that's a different story.

I know I still like being able to "play" with my toys from time to time... taking 30 minutes to an hour to transform something sucks the fun out of it.

I also have to take this point to further discuss MPM-8 Megatron and MPM-10 Starscream. Both of them are large toys but also still fun toys. 2nd time transforming him, I had MPM-10 down to a 7 minute conversion. MPM Megatron is similarly as time consuming. Neither are finnicky in any real way, and both form solid modes. I would argue they use the fun factor to their advantage, and I hope Ratchet heads that way too. Jazz was a little more complex, but still not time consuming either, main thing is getting his forearms and feet right going either direction