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Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Mon May 23, 2022 8:13 pm

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sol magnus wrote:
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sol magnus wrote:He may have a point.

And he'll be right because I'll definitely by it. They already got me with Galvatron.
x4 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I currently have more Galvatrons than even Ultra Magnuses from WFC/Legacy. But Magnus will have his revenge in the end since I'm getting two SG versions.
"Hook, line, and sinker!" - Hasbro :twisted:

Speaking of which, some us Marvel G1 fans would LOVE figures of those 3.

And FYI Hasbro got me twice with both Galvatron and Ultra Magnus.

I wouldn't mind them even though they aren't "Transformers."

I said a while ago that they could sort of rework them from Modulators and Weaponizers. Hook from Ironworks and Sinker from Airwave are kinda obvious, but Line is tricky so I'm thinking Fasttrack would be a good fit.

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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon May 23, 2022 11:51 pm

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Just put Hook, Line, and Sinker in the RED line. Sure, they'd shelf-warm like crazy, but at least we'd finally have them.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Starseeker » Tue May 24, 2022 10:51 am

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sol magnus wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
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sol magnus wrote:He may have a point.

And he'll be right because I'll definitely by it. They already got me with Galvatron.
x4 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I currently have more Galvatrons than even Ultra Magnuses from WFC/Legacy. But Magnus will have his revenge in the end since I'm getting two SG versions.
"Hook, line, and sinker!" - Hasbro :twisted:

Speaking of which, some us Marvel G1 fans would LOVE figures of those 3.

And FYI Hasbro got me twice with both Galvatron and Ultra Magnus.

I wouldn't mind them even though they aren't "Transformers."
Yeah, but they would go well with WFC Unicron. Again, if you're a Marvel G1 fan. Anyone else probably doesn't even know what we're talking about. :-D

Around here? I dunno man, most of us know who they are.


They would jump at the opportunity to make that a Target exclusive 3-pack.
Speaking of the comics though, I'd love to see a figure of Flame from Marvel UK. His fire tank mode is pretty awesome. They could also re-release the sparkless bots to be his zombie army!
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Destron » Tue May 24, 2022 2:35 pm

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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Tue May 24, 2022 6:34 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right... #-o

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie ;)


Yeah, the only two that count.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Wed May 25, 2022 8:44 am

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right... #-o

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie ;)


Yeah, the only two that count.


Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Wolfman Jake » Wed May 25, 2022 10:02 am

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First-Aid wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right... #-o

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie ;)


Yeah, the only two that count.


Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

36 years of Transformers and only the first 3 matter. >:oP


I think Chuck was just being facetious. ;)
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 25, 2022 10:45 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right... #-o

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie ;)


Yeah, the only two that count.


Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

36 years of Transformers and only the first 3 matter. >:oP


I think Chuck was just being facetious. ;)

You hope :lol:

Though thinking about it, are we reaching a point where every year is an anniversary of some description?
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Wed May 25, 2022 12:13 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right... #-o

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie ;)


Yeah, the only two that count.


Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

36 years of Transformers and only the first 3 matter. >:oP


I think Chuck was just being facetious. ;)

You hope :lol:

Though thinking about it, are we reaching a point where every year is an anniversary of some description?


Yep. It's called "birthdays" and they well and truly suck at this age...
It finally happened. The Chicago Cubs won the World Series. Yes, I cried.

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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Wed May 25, 2022 3:30 pm

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First-Aid wrote:Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

36 years of Transformers and only the first 3 matter. >:oP


38 years but who's counting... ;)

Just curious, as someone who is obviously mostly attached to the original cartoon (I'll never use that other term as I find it highly offensive), is it the fans you hate, or Hasbro, who keeps making (seemingly) toys based on characters you hate, but they sell extremely well, so they keep getting made?

For the record, I'm mostly attached to the lore of the animated series, My favorites aside from the original are: BW (including BWII and Neo), Car Robots, and Prime. While I may not purchase any Legacy toys of certain characters, I think they all mostly look great, and I hope the additional use of unique characters continues.

In terms of toys The only *must haves* on my Legacy list so far are 2 Fossilizers from the Amazon Wreckers sets (based on characters with no prior established fiction). Red Cog (based on a toy from 2019), and Wrecker Twintwist (based on a toy from 2017). So I'm not sure where I fall in your hate spectrum, but I hope its not all the way in.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed May 25, 2022 5:38 pm

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o.supreme wrote:My favorites aside from the original are: BW (including BWII and Neo), Car Robots, and Prime.
And thus, you would not be considered a "Geewunner" since, despite your still liking 1980s G1 the best, you also like other things that came later. ;)
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Wed May 25, 2022 6:31 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right... #-o

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie ;)


Yeah, the only two that count.


Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

36 years of Transformers and only the first 3 matter. >:oP


I think Chuck was just being facetious. ;)



Ooooh, take a bow Mr. fancy big word! Yes, I was being funny but allow me to share a point I made to some GI Joe friends; Hasbro is a company that has been around for a very long time and they like to make money, lots of money. They have shareholders who like to make money, lots of money. To that end, Hasbro employs people whose sole job is to make them money, lots of money. Maybe these people have had all the same ideas we've had, and have thought about all the possibilities we've had, but unlike us, they have the ability to really run these ideas up the flag pole and have discovered they just won't work. What we see is what works and makes Hasbro money, lots of money. Which, at the end of the day, is what's most important.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Wed May 25, 2022 7:04 pm

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First-Aid wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right... #-o

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie ;)


Yeah, the only two that count.


Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

36 years of Transformers and only the first 3 matter. >:oP


I think Chuck was just being facetious. ;)


He was. Chuck is the most open minded TF collector I ever met.
He doesn't look down on any era or toy.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed May 25, 2022 7:43 pm

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william-james88 wrote:He was. Chuck is the most open minded TF collector I ever met.
He doesn't look down on any era or toy.


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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Wed May 25, 2022 10:05 pm

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First-Aid wrote:Aaaand this is why i have issues with geewunners...F*$# everything else, evErYtHiNg MuS bEe GeEwUn

36 years of Transformers and only the first 3 matter. >:oP


38 years but who's counting... ;)

Just curious, as someone who is obviously mostly attached to the original cartoon (I'll never use that other term as I find it highly offensive), is it the fans you hate, or Hasbro, who keeps making (seemingly) toys based on characters you hate, but they sell extremely well, so they keep getting made?


That is a fair question. I'm not so much sure it's hatred or if it's disgust or annoyance. There is a fair amount on both, as it's a "chicken or the egg" situation. Do I blame Hasbro for making money? Nope. That's what they do. Do I blame the fans for loving what they do? No, because they are fans. To be honest, I find myself hoping for a return to the late 80s and early nineties, where the product was so repetitive that Hasbro had no choice but to reinvent the brand. But as long as people seem to not mind buying the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again, my dream is essentially toast. On one hand, it means the brand continues. On the other hand, it means no reinvention , no diversity, nothing NEW. Looking back at the Generations lines we have seen the same characters repeatedly reissued with "new and exciting updates". Each new update is minimally differentiated from the previous ones...just enough to make them collectable and to fool the collectors that what they are getting is something new and exciting. And like gullible fools, they snap them up EXACTLY BECAUSE it's the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again. Seekers by the dozens. How many Sideswipes, Red Alerts, Springers, and Hot Rods have we gotten over the last 10 years? Ironhide, Ratchet, Scourge? Sunstreaker, Tracks, and Soundwave? Each "New Line" has the exact same core characters with ever so slight modifications. FOr the love of God, we're comparing new molds of the same character to ones that came out less than 10 years ago...and in some cases, even less than that! Hell, even the Masterpiece line of Takara has figured out that the sheep flock to the same characters. WHat edition of Starscream are we on now? ANd like babbling idiots, the collectors buy it up while HasTak cashes in on our lack of desire for change in toy line that is, ironically, all about chang. It used to be we would get new molds of characters for special occasions...it made them special (the Commemorative Line, Takara's reissues, the Thrilling 30, etc) while getting some original mainline molds (the Unicron Trilogy, Prime, Animated, RiD). Now, it's nothing BUT the special characters repeatedly. At what point did collectors become trained to accept "same shtuff, different shovel"? We used to CRAVE new molds. I remember the thrill when a brand new leak came out...something we hadn't seen before, like Cybertron Scourge or Prime Arcee. Now collectors thrill because it's something they HAVE seen before, only slightly modified to be "new". And it makes me sad. Repaints have always been a part of Transformers. They always will be. But it's beyond that. It's just cookie cutters now.

Where does the blame lie? I don't know. I wish I could make a difference, but I'm outnumbered. And frankly, I think that's where my disgust lies. I almost feel sorry for GI Joe collectors...at least TF fans have gotten a couple new characters over the last couple decades. I'm jealous of Star Wars collectors. They continue to get new characters and stories...TONS of them...and with them, new toys and collectibles. Since 2002, there have been over 100 Seekers released by my count. That's 5 a year. How many new toys do we get a year? 30? For us TF fans, until the brand goes the way it did in the late 80s, there will be no more Beast Wars...if they even decide to put the effort into it. But why should they? They have people trained exactly how they want them.
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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby grimdragon2001 » Wed May 25, 2022 10:39 pm

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First-Aid, I get what you're saying, and it is true, so long as people buy what being put out, things wont change, but this isn't exclusive to Transformers. For all your talk of Star Wars, many in that fandom only care about the original trilogy and the characters within it with maybe a few exceptions. Luke sells as well as Optimus and Vader sells like Megatron does. Marvel and DC arnt any different, they've gotten to the point that they are putting out cheap knock-offs of the popular characters for the sake of diversity because the popular characters are all anyone cares about. How many Iron Man or Captain America figures flood the shelves? how often do Batman and Superman get new figures? Nostalgia is a driving force for the current toy industry, and if you want something new, you are going to have to look outside the franchises you currently enjoy. Its the sad truth of the times. But at the same time, its ok to let a franchise ride off into the sunset and let something new take their place.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Wed May 25, 2022 11:01 pm

I think there's a big misconception implicit in the post above: while we are getting repeats of the same core characters within a ten year span of Generations, that doesn't mean that only the same audience is buying the same figures over and over again. New collectors are entering the fandom all the time, and the major characters are the obvious entry point. I had picked up one or two figures from Classics, Universe, and FoC, but nothing kept me in. It wasn't until the '86 cast in Titan Returns that I bought many figures in a single line, and it wasn't until Siege that I started collecting almost every figure in a line. In a lot of ways I'm kind of a classic G1er, but being new to collecting, this was the right way to get me in. I don't want to overgeneralize from my personal experience, but just from my time on boards, I know there are other people who are effectively new via Prime Wars or WfC. For us, the fourth new figure in ten years may still be our first.

That's not to say I want that to be the only way it works ... but I also don't think it's accurate to act like the brand or even Generations have been static in the last decade. Though it's doing a detour back into G1, Studio Series has elevated movie characters, releasing multiple versions of its core cast while also getting into deep cuts.

We didn't get an Arcee until, what, 2014? That was one of--though not the first--female characters. In the last decade we've probably gotten more female Transformers than maybe in the whole rest of the life of the brand. The beasts are going to be part of Generations for over three years at least based on the current schedule.

I think it's a reasonable complaint that the G1 engineering, design, and aesthetic is dominant in mainline Generations in a way it arguably wasn't earlier. I think that might be a practical necessity, though. Handling Animated and Prime toys recently reminded me that they had an internal consistency across their lines that would be incredibly out of place in Generations, and I imagine it would be much more difficult to have output where a few figures per wave are built and play very differently. That's not to say it's not limiting, just that I'm not sure it would fit well.

I also think it's silly to look to Generations for the next Beast Wars. Generations is frankly not where the brand innovates. That's in new media and new toy lines, and I expect that to continue to be the case. Maybe ten years from now we'll get BotBots in Generations, and that's probably the way the lifecycle should go.

Also, there's tons of Star Wars and Marvel product out there, and tons of companies doing Turtles, but I don't think there's any toy brand that has a better set of product offerings, especially for collectors, than Transformers. We have hundreds of characters and get dozens ever year across different lines. The core play feature is built into every one and there are still little surprises even if not the range of playability from the old days. Besides, look at the scraps other toy fandoms get. My closest collector friend is a lifelong MotU fan, and he buys just a couple things a year, and doesn't have nearly as much to choose from. Quite frankly, even when there's too much G1, there's a lot to choose from.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu May 26, 2022 12:01 am

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First-Aid wrote:Where does the blame lie? I don't know.
Therein lies the tale.

For all of the 2000s and up until then, the Transformers brand had been headed by a team led by Aaron Archer, who spearheaded such ventures as the Unicron Trilogy, the first three live-action movies, and the Aligned continuity (Animated was in there too, but it was kinda treated by the higher ups as a side thing meant only to tide us over until the Aligned continuity came along *cough*cough*Prime killed Animated*cough*).

Suddenly, by 2013, the winds of change were blowing. The first sign was the Beast Hunters subline of TF: Prime, which was brought about by change in the brand team that wanted TF: Prime to be cut short for a new cartoon featuring Predacons and a new Optimus Prime toy. The Prime creators convinced Hasbro to let them finish Prime with one more season, with the promise of rebranding the show to incorporate both the new Optimus toy design and at least one Predacon (the epilogue movie was a later decision made after the series had ended its intended 65-episode run).

Then, in 2014, the whole Transformers brand team at Hasbro had changed completely, now headed by John Warden. The Age of Extinction movie hit with its toyline being radically different from those of the first three films, and quite different from pretty much every Transformers toyline since Beast Wars. The engineering was quite different, and the line was split between "Generations" toys for older fans and "Robots in Disguise" toys for younger fans. Little did we know at the time that this would be a sign of things to come.

By 2015, Warden's team had rolled out the first Generations line to arguably be a new toyline all on its own instead of just the next phase of the 2010-2014 Generations line (as had previously been the case for the War for Cybertron, Fall of Cybertron, and Thrilling 30 toys): Combiner Wars. They also launched a new line aimed at younger fans named "Robots in Disguise" (sound familiar?). It was at this point that the Transformer brand had truly begun to put a greater focus on the older fan consumers than it ever had before, while also steering the TV show line more towards younger consumers with simpler and more gimmicky toys, a trend that would continue throughout both the Prime Wars and War for Cybertron trilogies and the Cyberverse line.

Whereas, previously, under Archer's team, the TV and movie lines had been the primary focus while the likes of Alternators, Classics, Universe, Power Core Combiners, Reveal the Shield, and Generations 2010-2014 had all been regarded as side lines. It was because of the popularity of these nostalgia-focused side lines (sans PCC) that they kept coming back every time Hasbro tried to end each of them (heck, Classics was always meant to be a filler line that would die in 2007 once the first movie line came out). And once the changeover at Hasbro had occurred, what were once seen as siden lines became the main focus by Warden's team, superseding at least the TV lines (the movie lines pretty much evolved in Studio Series, which is also a Generations line) in terms of promotion to the fanbase and the press.

And now, we're currently under the watch of another man's team since Warden left Transformers for Power Rangers last year, and said current team seems to be going full steam ahead with the same flavor of fervor that Warden's team had.
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Burn » Thu May 26, 2022 1:53 am

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Or to put simply, as I feel, different designers putting their stamp on major G1 characters.

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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu May 26, 2022 7:29 am

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Also we are at a time now when fans of that older content are now in charge, so particular designs and eras will be favored over others.
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First Images of Upcoming Velocitron Clampdown

Postby william-james88 » Thu May 26, 2022 8:36 am

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We wanted to share these images with you just in case it was indeed the first look at a new Transformers Clampdown toy. It uses the Red Alert head, which makes sense since Clampdown has been more of a Red Alert redeco in the past. This image has been found on a few servers and discussion boards with no clear origin. We know Clampdown is part of the Walmart exclusive Velocitron line as we already have listings for him.

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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby RodimusPrimeUkraine1 » Thu May 26, 2022 9:20 am

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Funny how this was revealed or leaked now, I was just thinking about it a month ago. :BOWDOWN:
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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Thu May 26, 2022 9:24 am

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The doors are only one color, must be fake. ;)

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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby Overcracker » Thu May 26, 2022 9:36 am

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Emerje wrote:The doors are only one color, must be fake. ;)

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Re: Walmart Exclusive Velocitron Line Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Thu May 26, 2022 9:54 am

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Thanks for at least getting the title correct. TFW had correct pics and details, but the article Title refers to "Countdown", not Clampdown. I mean I know we got the character with Siege Omega Supreme, but I had false hope for a second, for a full on Micromaster Base...oh well :(
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