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transformers_va wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The next TF movie might be a good opportunity for a Masterpiece
G1 Jazz finally.

That would be awesome!

Just because the vehicle is in the movie, doesn't mean it'll be in the toyline.



More images of Ravage
https://www.facebook.com/VR.TransFans/posts/989232405163452

Of Note: his instructions label him as SDCC

Here's a pic of Ravage in the cassette door.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The next TF movie might be a good opportunity for a Masterpiece
G1 Jazz finally.

That would be awesome!

Just because the vehicle is in the movie, doesn't mean it'll be in the toyline.



More images of Ravage
https://www.facebook.com/VR.TransFans/posts/989232405163452

Of Note: his instructions label him as SDCC

Here's a pic of Ravage in the cassette door.

There's also the chance that the rights would have to be negotiated further for Takara to be allowed to use it in a completely separate non-movie toyline.

On the other hand, we have no idea what truly goes on in these deals so, we'll get what were gonna get

I'm very excited about everything!

Ravage - Finally an opportunity to get a (new) BW Ravage! Don't care so much about the G1 Ravage, I feel like I can fill a drawer with them at this point. Wish they'd change him up a bit with gold chrome weapons or something. Nice to see cardboard backdrops are still around after the Throne of Primes and Pit.

Blackarachnia - I like having the toy colors and I suspect we'll see more of that later. Wouldn't be against toy colors Scorponok (swap the gray for black).

Bumblebee - Don't really need this, probably give his weapons to Netflix Bee so his weapons won't look like the rest on the shelf. I get why they didn't use the Beetle mold, people seem to forget that vehicles in movies are basically product placement for a brand and the toys are just some bonus synergy and doesn't mean free use of the license. But I am surprised they didn't use the same shade of yellow as the Netflix Bee to keep him from looking like Hubcap. Hasbro, you should know better.

Fangry - Neat, though it's strange that his read out is on his alt chest instead of his bot chest. Shame he doesn't have a weapon, but I have the perfect one for him. I wonder how long they've been sitting on this for, there's now way they made this just for the set? Bring on the rest, especially when the leaks say the Autobots are coming next year.

Nemesis Primal - Very happy with this one. I like that he isn't just Primal in Nemesis Prime colors. Thanks to the purple he has more of a Grand Scourge vibe and I'm all for that!




Needs some gold, though.

Emerje

optimeow wrote:Why can't they reissue the Netflix Bumblebee with the VW beetle alt mode?
That is impossible to find at a reasonable, non-scalper price.

These days, if you want to be a Transformers collector, you have to accept getting F**KED. Being F**KED-OVER is just a normal part of the game now.

The entire goal now is to get the prices as high as they can as fast as possible. If you want Netflix Bumblebee you're just gonna have to pay the scalpers. I'm going through the same thing with Soundwave. I saw him 1 time but didn't have the money because I had to buy a new battery for my car. So I got totally F**KED! Never ever saw him again. And Amazon never shipped my Ratchet/Lifeline pre-order, I got F**KED! And Titan Scorponok was BLINK-AND-YOU-MISS-IT, I got F**KED! And now they keep pushing the reissue date back month by month. I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever get that thing. He's the only Titan I ever missed & I'm totally pissed. I'm furious over it.

And finding somebody that will sell anything for a decent price is almost impossible. Your fellow collectors see the scalper prices & want that too. This is a hobby ruled by greed. Nothing but out-of-control greed.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

optimeow wrote:Why can't they reissue the Netflix Bumblebee with the VW beetle alt mode?
That is impossible to find at a reasonable, non-scalper price.

These days, if you want to be a Transformers collector, you have to accept getting F**KED. Being F**KED-OVER is just a normal part of the game now.

The entire goal now is to get the prices as high as they can as fast as possible. If you want Netflix Bumblebee you're just gonna have to pay the scalpers. I'm going through the same thing with Soundwave. I saw him 1 time but didn't have the money because I had to buy a new battery for my car. So I got totally F**KED! Never ever saw him again. And Amazon never shipped my Ratchet/Lifeline pre-order, I got F**KED! And Titan Scorponok was BLINK-AND-YOU-MISS-IT, I got F**KED! And now they keep pushing the reissue date back month by month. I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever get that thing. He's the only Titan I ever missed & I'm totally pissed. I'm furious over it.

And finding somebody that will sell anything for a decent price is almost impossible. Your fellow collectors see the scalper prices & want that too. This is a hobby ruled by greed. Nothing but out-of-control greed.

Your first time with capitalism?

Every hobby is like this, tfs are no different.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:

optimeow wrote:Why can't they reissue the Netflix Bumblebee with the VW beetle alt mode?
That is impossible to find at a reasonable, non-scalper price.

These days, if you want to be a Transformers collector, you have to accept getting F**KED. Being F**KED-OVER is just a normal part of the game now.

The entire goal now is to get the prices as high as they can as fast as possible. If you want Netflix Bumblebee you're just gonna have to pay the scalpers. I'm going through the same thing with Soundwave. I saw him 1 time but didn't have the money because I had to buy a new battery for my car. So I got totally F**KED! Never ever saw him again. And Amazon never shipped my Ratchet/Lifeline pre-order, I got F**KED! And Titan Scorponok was BLINK-AND-YOU-MISS-IT, I got F**KED! And now they keep pushing the reissue date back month by month. I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever get that thing. He's the only Titan I ever missed & I'm totally pissed. I'm furious over it.

And finding somebody that will sell anything for a decent price is almost impossible. Your fellow collectors see the scalper prices & want that too. This is a hobby ruled by greed. Nothing but out-of-control greed.

Your first time with capitalism?

Every hobby is like this, tfs are no different.

NEVER used to be like this. We NEVER had this many exclusives before. This is a totally new beast. And it was NEVER this bad back before ebay started that BUY IT NOW horse s**t. Most of these problems started when ebay stopped being an auction site & introduced BUY IT NOW. As soon as ebay introduced BUY IT NOW the scalpers started charging stupid, insane, unreasonable prices. And now that is the norm. Instead of just making $10-$20 profit now they are going straight for $200 or $300. And idiot toy collectors with more money than brains happily pay it. Ruining it for everybody else.

And I'm pretty sure people who's hobby is fishing or golfing or sewing don't have to go through this s**t.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:NEVER used to be like this. We NEVER had this many exclusives before. This is a totally new beast.

And I'm pretty sure people who's hobby is fishing or golfing or sewing don't have to go through this s**t.

I'm not going to say that you shouldn't be mad, but this part is generally wrong. This isn't specific to toys, this is a confluence of a few factors: supply chain pressure from the pandemic, the rise of bots to control access to limited products, and the resulting opportunity for arbitrage to become a viable side hustle. That's to say nothing of the increasingly predatory approach to capitalism at a macro level.

I don't know about fishing, but the crafting community has had price and resource pressures from pandemic demand for cloth materials. It's impossible to buy the newest video game consoles at retailers. PC gaming is challenged because graphic cards are scalped for aspiring crypto billionaires. There are apps dedicated to getting hot sneakers. I could go on.

Yes, toy makers are like any capitalist enterprise based on collecting where FOMO inflates demand to pressure customers into buying. But even when we're talking about retailer-specific exclusives, mass retail products like Transformers are generally not intended to be impossible to get. I genuinely believe that Hasbro wants everyone who wants a toy to be able to get one, but they don't want extra unsold stock, and they can't control how retailers put them out.

This isn't just me being a sucker, you can see how they've continued to push out Cobra Island product to meet the extreme demand. Many of their Pulse exclusives have been restocked after the initial release. The same thing is happening with other toy lines from other companies like with MotU and NECA's TMNT, though there are exceptions.

None of this should make you feel any better. Collecting is an expensive, high effort hobby in the best of times, and these aren't that. But if being a lifelong toy fan has taught me anything, it's that the number of new exciting toys in the future always outnumbers the unattainable grails.

We thank fellow Seibertronian Nuclearxpotato for letting us know of more images of Agent Ravage that have been posted on Facebook and Chinese social media. These show us that Agent Ravage is indeed based on the Kingdom Cheetor mold with most of the upper body being a completely new design with a different Transformation. The result is a rather organic looking big cat with guns on his hips. It's like an interpretation of what G1 Ravage would look like if the cassette turned into an organic animal rather than a robotic looking one.

We also see the instructions which show that this was indeed planned as a SDCC exclusive. While the world exclusive is thrown around, we have yet to confirm that this will only be obtainable at one retailer. Afterall, the Refraktor set was not an exclusive, so maybe this won't be either.

I have never seen this many Infernos all at once. My TRU got a major restock.

william-james88 wrote:We thank fellow Seibertronian Nuclearxpotato for letting us know of more images of Agent Ravage that have been posted on Facebook and Chinese social media. These show us that Agent Ravage is indeed based on the Kingdom Cheetor mold with most of the upper body being a completely new design with a different Transformation. The result is a rather organic looking big cat with guns on his hips. It's like an interpretation of what G1 Ravage would look like if the cassette turned into an organic animal rather than a robotic looking one.

We also see the instructions which show that this was indeed planned as a SDCC exclusive. While the world exclusive is thrown around, we have yet to confirm that this will only be obtainable at one retailer. Afterall, the Refraktor set was not an exclusive, so maybe this won't be either.

Looks good. I still await the MP figure that does this though:

I dislikevthat they cheated and made 1 gun instead of a keft and right copy.

Emerje wrote:
Bumblebee - Don't really need this, probably give his weapons to Netflix Bee so his weapons won't look like the rest on the shelf. I get why they didn't use the Beetle mold, people seem to forget that vehicles in movies are basically product placement for a brand and the toys are just some bonus synergy and doesn't mean free use of the license. But I am surprised they didn't use the same shade of yellow as the Netflix Bee to keep him from looking like Hubcap. Hasbro, you should know better.


Emerje

There's a chance that even the yellow paint job had to meet with VWs approval to match the actual yellow paint of a Type 1. FWIW, 'Bee is a shade darker than Hubcap unless it's a trick of the light.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Looks good. I still await the MP figure that does this though:

You're gonna be waiting a long time, but I'm sure there will be plenty of stop-motion videos that will do what you want.

Oh yeah, I have no realistic expectations he will ever see the light of day. Since they still haven't announced an extension into Season Two for the Beast Wars MP line. However, when it comes to the Mainframe show. That is Ravage. TM Cheetor-like Bot Mode, Cassette Altmode.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Can you confirm that Fangry doesn't come with any guns?

Unfortunately, Fangry does not include blasters. But he'll gladly take a set from Twinferno!

I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:NEVER used to be like this. We NEVER had this many exclusives before. This is a totally new beast.

And I'm pretty sure people who's hobby is fishing or golfing or sewing don't have to go through this s**t.

I'm not going to say that you shouldn't be mad, but this part is generally wrong. This isn't specific to toys, this is a confluence of a few factors: supply chain pressure from the pandemic, the rise of bots to control access to limited products, and the resulting opportunity for arbitrage to become a viable side hustle. That's to say nothing of the increasingly predatory approach to capitalism at a macro level.

I don't know about fishing, but the crafting community has had price and resource pressures from pandemic demand for cloth materials. It's impossible to buy the newest video game consoles at retailers. PC gaming is challenged because graphic cards are scalped for aspiring crypto billionaires. There are apps dedicated to getting hot sneakers. I could go on.

Yes, toy makers are like any capitalist enterprise based on collecting where FOMO inflates demand to pressure customers into buying. But even when we're talking about retailer-specific exclusives, mass retail products like Transformers are generally not intended to be impossible to get. I genuinely believe that Hasbro wants everyone who wants a toy to be able to get one, but they don't want extra unsold stock, and they can't control how retailers put them out.

This isn't just me being a sucker, you can see how they've continued to push out Cobra Island product to meet the extreme demand. Many of their Pulse exclusives have been restocked after the initial release. The same thing is happening with other toy lines from other companies like with MotU and NECA's TMNT, though there are exceptions.

None of this should make you feel any better. Collecting is an expensive, high effort hobby in the best of times, and these aren't that. But if being a lifelong toy fan has taught me anything, it's that the number of new exciting toys in the future always outnumbers the unattainable grails.

Exactly

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

This. For all the exposure Takara gave to Shadow Panther/Tripredacus Agent. Ravage is the only design variation that made it into a show. So there isn't really a purpose to both Shadow Panther and Ravage coexisting, in the same line, with the same altmode.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

This. For all the exposure Takara gave to Shadow Panther/Tripredacus Agent. Ravage is the only design variation that made it into a show. So there isn't really a purpose to both Shadow Panther and Ravage coexisting, in the same line, with the same altmode.

I think you're a little backwards, there. In Takara's market, Shadow Panther and Ravage were always separate individuals who coexisted in the same toyline. It was Hasbro who tried to make them into the same guy, with their "Tripredacus Agent" toy and later selling the original Shadow Panther under that name.

Sabrblade wrote:I think you're a little backwards, there. In Takara's market, Shadow Panther and Ravage were always separate individuals who coexisted in the same toyline. It was Hasbro who tried to make them into the same guy, with their "Tripredacus Agent" toy and later selling the original Shadow Panther under that name.

Purely referring to them both being in this Kingdom line. Bot Modes are different but altmodes, less so. Which shouldn't be the case.

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

Man I NEED that Ravage. I just hope it isn't one of those blink and it's gone figures like centurion drone pack or Netflix bee
And if it's overpriced, fork it. Imma get it

And I'll have my very first G1 toy as well, since I've never officially had one. I think my cousins had G1 Bee. It'll be fitting for my first to be a character that is both G1 and Beast Wars (my two favorites) and a Soundwave minion, Soundwave being quite possibly my all-time favorite character if not at least top 3

Fingers crossed this toy gets redone into a Tigatron. How wonderful that would be
The og botcon figure was like $300-$500 on eBay by the time I found out about it

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

I'm the one who said that. Ravage did have Tigatron's beast head in the show, but it was modified to have a metallic sheen instead of fur.

The original toy turned into a Transmetal cat, so logically this new toy ought to have done something similar, even without the metallic chrome paint. As is, the beast mode being organic and furry instead of mechanical makes it redundant with Shadow Panther's beast mode.

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

I'm the one who said that. Ravage did have Tigatron's beast head in the show, but it was modified to have a metallic sheen instead of fur.

The original toy turned into a Transmetal cat, so logically this new toy ought to have done something similar, even without the metallic chrome paint. As is, the beast mode being organic and furry instead of mechanical makes it redundant with Shadow Panther's beast mode.

Ahhhhhh okay I understand what you meant now
I suppose since they were reusing cheetor they had to stick with the organic beast mode because of the beast legs, as opposed to more extensive retooling

A metallic head wouldve been more accurate but I don't mind this one so far
Quizas (perhaps) as someone mentioned earlier, Shadow Panther will hopefully have some grey and black to be recognizable as a leopard Panther rather than just a black cheetor. Time will tell I guess

On the bright side, ravage is taller than cheetor, and Shadow Panther by that token. I wonder if tigatron will be taller or not

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

I'm the one who said that. Ravage did have Tigatron's beast head in the show, but it was modified to have a metallic sheen instead of fur.

The original toy turned into a Transmetal cat, so logically this new toy ought to have done something similar, even without the metallic chrome paint. As is, the beast mode being organic and furry instead of mechanical makes it redundant with Shadow Panther's beast mode.

Ahhhhhh okay I understand what you meant now
I suppose since they were reusing cheetor they had to stick with the organic beast mode because of the beast legs, as opposed to more extensive retooling

A metallic head wouldve been more accurate but I don't mind this one so far
Quizas (perhaps) as someone mentioned earlier, Shadow Panther will hopefully have some grey and black to be recognizable as a leopard Panther rather than just a black cheetor. Time will tell I guess

On the bright side, ravage is taller than cheetor, and Shadow Panther by that token. I wonder if tigatron will be taller or not

Tigatron will be a Voyager Class toy, and likely taller the cheetor to keep with the scale guide (basically they weren't the same height on the show, the toys won't be either)