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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:57 am

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Sounds like y'all need to read "A Meeting of Minds" by Simon Furman. ;)
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:59 am

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Let's be honest, we could fill a thread with ideas on how to make Beast Machines a better show...
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:13 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Let's be honest, we could fill a thread with ideas on how to make Beast Machines a better show...

Would the first point be to not to have made it :lol: what hurts more and with the loss of transtech (at least in terms of non-club material) is the loss of potential. I know some designs were salvaged but there's always the thought of what could have been.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:18 am

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It could have work, if they hadn't undermined practically all of Beast Wars characterisation. As far as Transtech goes... My stance is the same as with the rest of the Beast Era IE if it wasn't part of a show, it doesn't count. So in that way I put Transtech in the same "concept only" boat as Machine Wars. The convention exclusive stuff, just non-canon fanfic.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:26 pm

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At least Machine Wars made it to some store shelves though :lol:
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:55 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:At least Machine Wars made it to some store shelves though :lol:



True. Weirdly enough, to look at some of the Transtech concept art I was curious how some of them would even work as figures...

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Let alone, how they would stand??? :lol:
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:29 am

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I like how they tweaked it to make Animated Blurr, also getting Guyver vibes from Cheetors head there.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:50 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:I like how they tweaked it to make Animated Blurr, also getting Guyver vibes from Cheetors head there.



Indeed. Definitely saw Guyver there myself. Transtech sounded so interesting in that it seemed to be Reboot, with Transformers. I wonder if we would have gotten some Vok resolution from it?

Meanwhile, DREAM CASTING:

Season One - 14 characters.

I stuck to the character limit but not how they were arranged by the show. I like the concept of Guerrilla Warfare, so my roster would have been based around squads, defending Territories.

Maximal - Axalon:

Optimus Primal (Bat)
Silverbolt (AKA Magnaboss Silverbolt)
Airazor

Maximal - Combat:

Dinobot
Armordillo
Wolfang
Polar Claw

Predacon - Darksyde:

Megatron
Transquito
Terrorsaur

Predacon - Raiders:

Manterror
Razorclaw
Spittor
Jetstorm - Drone

The idea being the Base unit is Stasis Pod recovery and air support. The secondary team is direct conflict and Energon retrieval.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed May 13, 2020 8:23 am

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Interesting... :APPLAUSE:
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed May 13, 2020 8:43 am

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Makes sense. I wouldn't have expected him to have known about the change from Wolfang to Tigatron, but it does explain Tigatron's sort of "lone wolf" status in the show.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed May 13, 2020 8:51 am

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Exactly. When you look at the dialogue in Fallen Comrades, it could easily have been applied to any of the three candidates - Tigatron, Wolfang or Polar Claw.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed May 13, 2020 8:55 am

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Polar claw would have been a nice addition as would Wolffang
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed May 13, 2020 8:59 am

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If budget hadn't forced their hand, ideally I would have liked Wolfang as Tigatron (Or Polar Claw, but with a Bulkhead-type personality). Plus either Snapper or Razorclaw in lieu of Blackarachnia. Either design could have been repurposed as a Fembot.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed May 13, 2020 9:06 am

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Interestingly enough, since we didn't get Polar Claw in the show, the Japanese toyline of Beast Wars season 1 gave Polar Claw a cartoon-based bio that gave him a command rank, as though Takara intended to market him as Optimus Primal's second-in-command.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed May 13, 2020 9:11 am

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That is the strangest part of it all though. The toys clearly marketed Polar Claw as the rival to Scorponok. Mirrored by the second-in-command idea. Plus he was one of the biggest figures in the Maximal ranks. Yet the show just bypassed him completely? They never really mention why? If not "Tigatron", why was he not "Rhinox"? Who more or less filled that role.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed May 13, 2020 9:18 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:That is the strangest part of it all though. The toys clearly marketed Polar Claw as the rival to Scorponok. Mirrored by the second-in-command idea. Plus he was one of the biggest figures in the Maximal ranks. Yet the show just bypassed him completely? They never really mention why? If not "Tigatron", why was he not "Rhinox"? Who more or less filled that role.
Perhaps due to the Africa setting is why they chose mainly African-based Maximals for the show's initial cast: Optimus, Rhinox, Cheetor, and such. A polar bear would have been out of place in such locales, and only later when they decided to expand the cast did they decided to include a polar operative, but ultimately picked Tigatron to save on creating a whole new CG model from scratch, but kept the polar lone wolf status for the character.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Wed May 13, 2020 9:22 am

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True, true. Although Bearhawk would have looked pretty cool (and massive). I imagine "snowstalker" might even have been the bat accessory, if Tigatron had been Polar Claw. That pairing (much like Scorponok and his Cyber Bee) without context, was very strange.
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Re: What Might Have Been - Beast Wars Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:22 pm

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I just had an epiphany!

New headcanon: Any characterization discrepancies between the Beast Wars and Beast Machines depictions of the Maximals can be chalked up to the Oracle secretly reformatting more than just their bodies. ;)
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