Rodimus Prime wrote:TFA and TFP had nearly identical Autobot casts when each started. Which did you like better?
I haven't seen TFP since it originally aired, so I can't remember specifics. I am currently going through TFA, and as soon as I'm done watching it, it's onto TFP. Maybe I will have my opinion swayed...Kurona wrote:I agree with you on Ratchet and Bulkhead, but for what it's worth I feel Ratchet was pulled off better in terms of performance in TFP which led me to love him more - his outburst at the rest of the team at the end of Season 2 really got to me.
Then let's just narrow it down to the ones both casts had in common, namely Megatron and Starscream. (Those are the only ones I remember.)Cons are pretty difficult. I would go with TFP, but going by the strictest adherence to the guidelines set out by the thread; Knock Out and Breakdown only joined the cast right after Darkness Rising. Starscream and Soundwave are great, but Knock Out just made that cast...
You're in for a treat! Personally, I prefer the US version of the G1 comics, due to the streamlined stories compared to some of the excess and unnecessary sidetracking the UK version has, but it also has great stories like Target: 2006, Space Pirates, and Time Wars. If you have the patience to sit through the entire 332-issue series, you will more than likely not regret it.This feels weird to say since I'm only on Issue 13 so far, but Marvel UK could be a good contender - Ravage is impressing me decently.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:NOPE, HE DOESN'T HAVE A TOY IN THE NEW WAVE.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Rodimus Prime wrote:You're in for a treat! Personally, I prefer the US version of the G1 comics, due to the streamlined stories compared to some of the excess and unnecessary sidetracking the UK version has, but it also has great stories like Target: 2006, Space Pirates, and Time Wars. If you have the patience to sit through the entire 332-issue series, you will more than likely not regret it.This feels weird to say since I'm only on Issue 13 so far, but Marvel UK could be a good contender - Ravage is impressing me decently.
Really? Beast Machines is the worst TF series I have seen. Ever. I did like Megatron and the surprise we got with Rhinox/Tankor, but the rest of the cast was just not doing it for me. Especially Nightscream (ugh) and Savage/Noble.shajaki wrote:So I gotta go with Beast Machines. Primal, Rattrap, Megatron, and Jetstorm. So much love
Yes, Ratchet was very well done in the comics. I especially loved his recurring conflicts with Megatron. It was honestly 1 of the best character arcs in the comics, especially with how it ended. And Soundwave? I'm not sure about the UK version, but I know that in the US version, he is the only character to survive the entire comic series without being killed, knocked off-line, or even hurt.Kurona wrote:Since we're talking about original casts; I'm really liking Marvel Ratchet, and I'm surprised at how much I like Marvel Soundwave too. He's like Shockwave and Megatron's marriage counselor.
In your opinion, sure.Rodimus Prime wrote:Really? Beast Machines is the worst TF series I have seen. Ever. I did like Megatron and the surprise we got with Rhinox/Tankor, but the rest of the cast was just not doing it for me. Especially Nightscream (ugh) and Savage/Noble.shajaki wrote:So I gotta go with Beast Machines. Primal, Rattrap, Megatron, and Jetstorm. So much love
Not really sure I understand that... how does it not "work"? Its the same characters, and it picks up from where they left off at the end of BW...Kurona wrote:I've been meaning to rewatch Beast Machines more than any other series. At the time I was hating on it due to pre-conceptions and the fact that it is REALLY not a good sequel to Beast Wars... but since then having considered quite a few things about it, I want to approach it from the angle of it being its own thing and seeing if it's any better. I don't think anything will convince me that it works as a sequel to Beast Wars, but it might just be good on its own.
shajaki wrote:Not really sure I understand that... how does it not "work"? Its the same characters, and it picks up from where they left off at the end of BW...Kurona wrote:I've been meaning to rewatch Beast Machines more than any other series. At the time I was hating on it due to pre-conceptions and the fact that it is REALLY not a good sequel to Beast Wars... but since then having considered quite a few things about it, I want to approach it from the angle of it being its own thing and seeing if it's any better. I don't think anything will convince me that it works as a sequel to Beast Wars, but it might just be good on its own.
I agree it was handled completely differently. But I think it was amazing, and we'll likely never see the likes of it again. It is hands down the most adult oriented series we've ever seen on the screen, and its all about the kiddies these days. And actually, the no explanation thing adds mystique. It was hella interesting. After watching episode 1 I was instantly hooked because "WHATTHEHELLWASTHATWHATHAPPENEDOMGWHAT???!".Kurona wrote:Due to how it was handled. It's an extremely different tone and type of story from Beast Wars, and the characters I feel had drastic changes with no explanation -
Huh. I thought his character change was the easiest to understand. The BW episode "Dark Designs" might as well be a blueprint for Tankor, and completely justifies his change.Kurona wrote:Rhinox's complete 180 is the worst offender, but there are others that just feel off.
Change is good though! Were you around in the days BW first started? The Geewunners? Truk not munky? I guess I'm just a minority. I grew up with G1, but instantly accepted BW, love BW, and instantly accepted BM.Kurona wrote:It -technically- continues the same story with -technically- the same characters, but I only know it's the same story and characters because I'm told that rather than it actually feeling like a continuation. To me at least; maybe you feel different but to me this just wasn't what a continuation of Beast Wars would look like.
I'm glad you have resolve, I hope you find what I see in itKurona wrote:Again though, that doesn't mean it's a bad show and it's why I want to rewatch it - especially since having been watching RiD 2015 for a while, I've come to accept it as a fine show and its own thing rather than being annoyed that it doesn't make a good sequel to Prime. Being a bad sequel is I believe a valid criticism, but it shouldn't invalidate the rest of the show so I dearly want to give Beast Machines another chance.
And that was its main drawback. It was too serious. It was what I imagine Transformers would be if George Orwell had written it. Unlike Kurona, I accept it as a sequel to Beast Wars. It was just taken totally to the extreme, and after a while it just wasn't fun to watch anymore. (It might also have to do with the fact that my sociopath ex-girlfriend made me watch it almost all at once, so I just got sick of watching it) Even looking at it as its own thing, if I totally disregard Beast Wars, it's still an extremely dark and dystopian setting for a series. It was just too much.shajaki wrote:It is hands down the most adult oriented series we've ever seen on the screen
Of coarse. A similar comparison would be 70's comic Batman and (RIP) Adam West vs the current dark Batman in the comics and Nolan trilogy. Only in this instance is the darker version people seem to prefer.Rodimus Prime wrote:And that was its main drawback. It was too serious. It was what I imagine Transformers would be if George Orwell had written it. Unlike Kurona, I accept it as a sequel to Beast Wars. It was just taken totally to the extreme, and after a while it just wasn't fun to watch anymore. (It might also have to do with the fact that my sociopath ex-girlfriend made me watch it almost all at once, so I just got sick of watching it) Even looking at it as its own thing, if I totally disregard Beast Wars, it's still an extremely dark and dystopian setting for a series. It was just too much.shajaki wrote:It is hands down the most adult oriented series we've ever seen on the screen
In my opinion, of course.
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