Sabrblade wrote:Rial Vestro wrote:Now Armada made no freaking sence to begin with...
How does "Collect Them All" or "Gotta Catch'em All" make no sense? We do it all the time as fans collecting teh TF figures. We do it for a hobby, and they did it because the Mini-Cons had powers in them.
The whole compairison to Pok'emon doesn't really bother me. But "colecting things" does not qualify as a plot. Actully haveing characters who are consistant with their original origins and names is.
Besides that, the whole collecting Mini-cons thing only lasted while they were on Earth, after they started flying back to Cybertron the story no longer had much of anything to do with the Mini-cons. The last big thing they did with Mini-cons was creating the hydra cannon which didn't last verry long and actully would of been nice if they worked that into Unicron's destruction. Would of liked to see them fire that thing on Unicron insted of the whole "Unicron feeds on us fighting so now Megatron of all people is going to kill himself in order to create a state of peace on Cybertron and stop Unicron from feeding on their war." plot line.
Sorry but no matter how you look at it Armada was just one porly wrighten piece of crap. It had verry few if any good moments to speak of and the worst ending of any TF series. I'd rather have Unicron defeat by anyone or anything other than Megatron dieing as a hero while Optimus Prime tries to save his arch enemy. If they had to make Unicron so gawd awfully corny by makeing him feed on hate insted of Planets like he should be eating, why couldn't Optimus be the one to sacrifice himself insted of Megatron?
They couldn't even keep the factions straight for the series. It started out as the Autobots want to save the Mini-cons and the Decepticons want to use them as weapons, preddy simple. Then it turned to the Autobots want to use the Mini-cons as weapons too and to make matters worse once they left Earth no one even cared about Mini-cons anymore. Then going even forther into the shattered glass universe, the ending where Megatron gets to die a heroic and honerable death while Optimus knowing it was the only way to stop Unicron trys to SAVE Megatron. I mean come on, you've got one enemy willing to kill himself to stop another and finally bring peace to Cybertron, why would he not want that?
The whole, "heroes never let anyone die even the villains" thing really doesn't apply here. Look at the pros and cons. It's 2 lives die or 2 billion if Megatron and Unicron would of lived. Normally when a hero saves the life of a villain it's because that villain is going to serve time in prison which I think is much worse than death. But really, where are you going to get a prison the size of a planet? Pluse it's a war. Hitler wasn't taken prisoner, he was killed, and I exspect the same for Megatron.
Now Sideways isn't the only character who doesn't make any sence.
Thrust started out as a bad ass stratigist who was loyal to Megatron. As the series progressed he never came up with one decent plan that actully worked, started to look more and more like and insaine idiot, and ultimatly ended up betraying Megatron by working with Sideways behind his back which was all the complete oppisite of what his character was originally established to be. Sky-byte did the same thing in RID but at least for him there was actully a reason behind it and he came close to success before he was lanced into space and came back from space as an insain idiot. Thrust didn't even have a reason for the change in his character, it just happened without reason.
Tidal Wave was introduced as a millitary leader along the same rank as Megatron himself, he was worked up to be both powerfull and intelligent. Well they got the powerfull part right but this one they couldn't even wait a few episodes to change his character. In the verry same episode Tidal Wave proved to be the Decepticon's most powerfull IDIOT. He's about as smart as Animated Lugnut. Actully I think Animated Lugnut is smarter than Tidal Wave and certainly a better leader as seen in Decepticon Air. Tidal Wave was introduced as a millitary leader just comming back from a victory on another planet yet it strikes me that if he was some kind of leader returning from battle where the hell was the rest of his team? And how can a guy that stupid lead anyone to victory. I allso don't get why Megatron and Tidal Wave were able to combine when they had never met eachother before. Allso adding in, why was Tidal Wave so loyal to Megatron if he only just met him and suposidly had his own army. Yeah basically Tidal Wave's entire introduction didn't make any sence.
At least Optimus and Jetfire allready knew they could combine before they did it. Megatron and Tidal Wave combining, why did they even do that, they just met, why would they be able to?
Overload didn't even get to be a character. He was nothing more than a weapon they just happen to have, never an exsplination for it, that Optimus could combine with.
Only 5 of the Powerlink repaints were ever exsplained, the rest just randomly appeared at the end of the series. Optimus Prime was in his Powerlink colors at the end of the series and there was never any reason for him to change colors.
Optimus allso got other characters names wrong 90% of the time. And I'm convinced he thinks that he's Megatron sence he keeps calling Sparkplug "Leader-1".
Armada truely was nothing more than a toy commercial sence basically any toy they hadn't included in the series was cramed into the last few episodes weather or not it even made sence to have them there. I think the only characters they never managed to show were all of the beast wars remolds except for Rhinox who did get about 5 sec. on screen.
All the Transformers are toy commercials suposidly but Armada is really the only series I think that truely sacrificed whatever little plot they had in order to sell toys. Other series seem to be perfectly fine with non-show characters in the toy line but Armada, no, they had to cram nearly every toy they had into the show.
Sabrblade wrote:Rial Vestro wrote:I suddenly want to go watch ROTF.
That's a rather poor argument cuz ROTF was cool. Ignore the critcs, they're butchers and nitpickers.
Not really. My argument was simply that even though I hated the first movie and I'm sure I'm going to hate ROTF, I'd still bet that there's more of a plot than Armada had.
I hate Armada because of the lack of a plot that made sence. I hated the first Bay movie because I felt like the movie focused too much on the human characters and not enough on the actual Transformers unless your name was Bumblebee.
While yes Bay's movies do have alot of exsplosions, there's still some what of a decent plot in the first movie. Just not alot of that plot really shows the main characters and insted has humans trying to understand the plot of their own movie.
In simple terms, even the Bay exsplosion spectacular is bound to have a better plot than Aramada and I'd gladly watch the live action movies 100 times over before watching Armada ever again. Allthough honestly that's not saying much for the movies, they rank just abouve Armada for me. Basically it's like saying, I hate them but can at least tolerate them where as Armada, I just hate and I get a huge head ach any time I even try to think about it.
Hell forget Bay, I'm going to go assassinate the creators of Armada.
Seriously though I wasn't planing on seeing ROTF, but now that you've reminded me about Armada I've suddenly realized, "hey it could be worse." and now ROTF isn't looking so bad. I really don't think anything could ever be worse than Armada.
I'd rather go watch Go-Bots than Armada. You know, that cartoon that's allso from the 80's but no one liked.
Hell, you made the Pok'emon connection and I'm just going to throw this out there. Even Pok'emon cartoons are better wrighten than Transformers Armada. There I said it. The only reason I don't watch Poke'mon anymore is because at the end of the first season it was reviealed that Gary has never used his Pok'edex while Ash has used it every single time he comes across a new Poke'mon, some times even when seeing Poke'mon he's allready caught. Gary was actully smart enough to realize something that all the fans allready knew and apperently Ash was the only person too stupid to figure it out. Pok'emon say their names so it's really unnessisary to even have a Poke'dex to find out their names. There is other information you could use a Poke'dex for but Ash only uses it to point out the obvious.
Pikachu: Pikachu
Ash: What's that?
Oak: Here's a Poke'dex.
Dex: Pikachu
Ash: Oh it's a Pikachu, wow, that's Professor Oak. (leaves to start his jurney)
Oak: I hate thoughs stupid kids. I'm glad I made the Poke'dex so they stop calling me at all hours asking what the hell the bloody names of the Poke'mon they catch are.
In the game there's actully a reason for it sence part of the game is to fill the Poke'dex with information for him but on the show that was never a reason for it. I thought it was at first but then when I realized Ash was only useing it to state the obvious I realized he wasn't helping Oak to fill the thing with information it was allready there, he's just an idiot who doesn't realize they allready say their freaking names.
So yeah, I stopped watching Poke'mon because Ash is a freaking moron but I have played all the hand held games up till Ruby and Saphire, and all the consol games up till Collicum. Both of which I thought were really stupid. The problem with Ruby was by that point the "legendary" Poke'mon witch had allways been the colest looking characters before now looked like poop and all the original legendary characters weren't added to the game pluse it not being compatible to trade with the older versions. Collicum was a horrible attempt at bringing the hand held games to the screne. Insted of playing like you did Stadium you played like the little hand held versions except that now you can steal shadow Poke'mon from other trainers and they made it impossibly difficult to train your poke'mon sence you got them with only 1 attack and had to make them like you in order to unlock their other attacks and their XP bar. That's right before your even allowed to train your pokemon they have to like you first and the only way to get them to like you is either to summon Celiby which you can only do once or use them in battle WITHOUT killing them which is impossible when they only have one attack and won't even use it 90% of the time because they allso have to like you to follow your commands. Seriously, the Celiby thing, that's a little too easy sence it unlocks everything for a single character. The other way is impossible difficult. Why couldn't it just be as simple as leveling them. The XP bar on normal Poke'mon which you start out with 2, Espeon and Umbreon, moves 100 times faster the progress bar on Shadow Pokemon likeing you. It should just be that they get half XP for the next 5 levels or something. Anyway, Soon after that the games started to get even more rediculas and I stoped playing them.
All that being said. I'd rather watch Poke'mon than to Watch Transformers Armada. Hell I'll watch ANYTHING other than Transformers Armada. Well anything except porly made fan dubs of Japanese only series.