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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Burn wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Me, Grimlock! wrote:For the record, I didn't take the "mortal" thing in your first post seriously. I took more in the same vein as Jack Black and Kyle Gass call Tenacious D the greatest band in the world: they're just having fun with a joke out of a conceit that really isn't there.
Nope, he meant it very seriously.
SlyTF1 wrote:Well, what do you want me to do? Lie? I don't lie, and I don't do facades.SlyTF1 wrote:And this, more or less, is how I am in real life. The only difference being, is that people in real life actually like me, because I'm an "*******."SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not trying to convince anyone. I couldn't give a **** what you believe. But I know who and what I am, and if you don't believe me, that's your fault, not mine.
To just about every joke, therein lies a hint of truth. Some jokes encompass more truth than others, though. Just saying.
Which I'm guessing is Sly's typical roundabout way of saying, "SKYWARPED_128 is essentially right, except I exaggerated more than I should have for comedic effect, and now Burn thinks I'm delusional."![]()
And Sly, you still haven't answered why you chose to ask for critiques in a TF forum, instead of an actual writer's forum where you can get proper professional feedback for your stories. People there are all writers like you, and actually know the technical side of story telling and prose, and can be of more help (no offense to those who critiqued his story).
Because I couldn't find any of those websites. If I can't find something in less than 5 minutes, I get bored and conclude it isn't worth my time. I found one site, which has been seemingly dead for ages. I posted my story on it anyway.
Holy sh!t, I think even Google hates you. I just Googled "writing forums", and (GASP!) guess what I found:
http://www.writingforums.com/
http://www.writingforums.org/
http://www.writersdigest.com/forum/
All of them are active. Try them out.
Wow. Even Google's involved in the ploy to try to steal my planet from me.
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Stop it, Sly. You're gonna give Burn a brain aneurysm one of these days.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Burn wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Me, Grimlock! wrote:For the record, I didn't take the "mortal" thing in your first post seriously. I took more in the same vein as Jack Black and Kyle Gass call Tenacious D the greatest band in the world: they're just having fun with a joke out of a conceit that really isn't there.
Nope, he meant it very seriously.
SlyTF1 wrote:Well, what do you want me to do? Lie? I don't lie, and I don't do facades.SlyTF1 wrote:And this, more or less, is how I am in real life. The only difference being, is that people in real life actually like me, because I'm an "*******."SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not trying to convince anyone. I couldn't give a **** what you believe. But I know who and what I am, and if you don't believe me, that's your fault, not mine.
To just about every joke, therein lies a hint of truth. Some jokes encompass more truth than others, though. Just saying.
Which I'm guessing is Sly's typical roundabout way of saying, "SKYWARPED_128 is essentially right, except I exaggerated more than I should have for comedic effect, and now Burn thinks I'm delusional."![]()
And Sly, you still haven't answered why you chose to ask for critiques in a TF forum, instead of an actual writer's forum where you can get proper professional feedback for your stories. People there are all writers like you, and actually know the technical side of story telling and prose, and can be of more help (no offense to those who critiqued his story).
Because I couldn't find any of those websites. If I can't find something in less than 5 minutes, I get bored and conclude it isn't worth my time. I found one site, which has been seemingly dead for ages. I posted my story on it anyway.
Holy sh!t, I think even Google hates you. I just Googled "writing forums", and (GASP!) guess what I found:
http://www.writingforums.com/
http://www.writingforums.org/
http://www.writersdigest.com/forum/
All of them are active. Try them out.
Wow. Even Google's involved in the ploy to try to steal my planet from me.
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Stop it, Sly. You're gonna give Burn a brain aneurysm one of these days.
SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Burn wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Me, Grimlock! wrote:For the record, I didn't take the "mortal" thing in your first post seriously. I took more in the same vein as Jack Black and Kyle Gass call Tenacious D the greatest band in the world: they're just having fun with a joke out of a conceit that really isn't there.
Nope, he meant it very seriously.
SlyTF1 wrote:Well, what do you want me to do? Lie? I don't lie, and I don't do facades.SlyTF1 wrote:And this, more or less, is how I am in real life. The only difference being, is that people in real life actually like me, because I'm an "*******."SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not trying to convince anyone. I couldn't give a **** what you believe. But I know who and what I am, and if you don't believe me, that's your fault, not mine.
To just about every joke, therein lies a hint of truth. Some jokes encompass more truth than others, though. Just saying.
Which I'm guessing is Sly's typical roundabout way of saying, "SKYWARPED_128 is essentially right, except I exaggerated more than I should have for comedic effect, and now Burn thinks I'm delusional."![]()
And Sly, you still haven't answered why you chose to ask for critiques in a TF forum, instead of an actual writer's forum where you can get proper professional feedback for your stories. People there are all writers like you, and actually know the technical side of story telling and prose, and can be of more help (no offense to those who critiqued his story).
Because I couldn't find any of those websites. If I can't find something in less than 5 minutes, I get bored and conclude it isn't worth my time. I found one site, which has been seemingly dead for ages. I posted my story on it anyway.
Holy sh!t, I think even Google hates you. I just Googled "writing forums", and (GASP!) guess what I found:
http://www.writingforums.com/
http://www.writingforums.org/
http://www.writersdigest.com/forum/
All of them are active. Try them out.
Wow. Even Google's involved in the ploy to try to steal my planet from me.
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Stop it, Sly. You're gonna give Burn a brain aneurysm one of these days.
I wouldn't have to stop anything if Google hadn't risen up and raised up its voice against me. Blame Google.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Burn wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
To just about every joke, therein lies a hint of truth. Some jokes encompass more truth than others, though. Just saying.
Which I'm guessing is Sly's typical roundabout way of saying, "SKYWARPED_128 is essentially right, except I exaggerated more than I should have for comedic effect, and now Burn thinks I'm delusional."![]()
And Sly, you still haven't answered why you chose to ask for critiques in a TF forum, instead of an actual writer's forum where you can get proper professional feedback for your stories. People there are all writers like you, and actually know the technical side of story telling and prose, and can be of more help (no offense to those who critiqued his story).
Because I couldn't find any of those websites. If I can't find something in less than 5 minutes, I get bored and conclude it isn't worth my time. I found one site, which has been seemingly dead for ages. I posted my story on it anyway.
Holy sh!t, I think even Google hates you. I just Googled "writing forums", and (GASP!) guess what I found:
http://www.writingforums.com/
http://www.writingforums.org/
http://www.writersdigest.com/forum/
All of them are active. Try them out.
Wow. Even Google's involved in the ploy to try to steal my planet from me.
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Stop it, Sly. You're gonna give Burn a brain aneurysm one of these days.
I wouldn't have to stop anything if Google hadn't risen up and raised up its voice against me. Blame Google.
Well, if you weren't trying to take over the world so much, Google would have no reason to hate you. Besides, I need Google for...stuff.
SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Burn wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
To just about every joke, therein lies a hint of truth. Some jokes encompass more truth than others, though. Just saying.
Which I'm guessing is Sly's typical roundabout way of saying, "SKYWARPED_128 is essentially right, except I exaggerated more than I should have for comedic effect, and now Burn thinks I'm delusional."![]()
And Sly, you still haven't answered why you chose to ask for critiques in a TF forum, instead of an actual writer's forum where you can get proper professional feedback for your stories. People there are all writers like you, and actually know the technical side of story telling and prose, and can be of more help (no offense to those who critiqued his story).
Because I couldn't find any of those websites. If I can't find something in less than 5 minutes, I get bored and conclude it isn't worth my time. I found one site, which has been seemingly dead for ages. I posted my story on it anyway.
Holy sh!t, I think even Google hates you. I just Googled "writing forums", and (GASP!) guess what I found:
http://www.writingforums.com/
http://www.writingforums.org/
http://www.writersdigest.com/forum/
All of them are active. Try them out.
Wow. Even Google's involved in the ploy to try to steal my planet from me.
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Stop it, Sly. You're gonna give Burn a brain aneurysm one of these days.
I wouldn't have to stop anything if Google hadn't risen up and raised up its voice against me. Blame Google.
Well, if you weren't trying to take over the world so much, Google would have no reason to hate you. Besides, I need Google for...stuff.
I'm not trying to take over anything.
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Oh my god this is the best thread ever, I want midnight screenings of it where people dress up as our avatars and yell things at the computer
SlyTF1 wrote:Where's the best place I can get my book published? I talked to someone from one place, but they want me to pay $700 per story. Is that a typical rate, or is that too damn high?
SlyTF1 wrote:Because I couldn't find any of those websites. If I can't find something in less than 5 minutes, I get bored and conclude it isn't worth my time. I found one site, which has been seemingly dead for ages. I posted my story on it anyway.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Where's the best place I can get my book published? I talked to someone from one place, but they want me to pay $700 per story. Is that a typical rate, or is that too damn high?
I'm only familiar with full-sized novels, and the last places that still accept traditional unsolicited manuscript submissions are Tor and Baen. IIRC, they don't accept anthologies or short stories. But those aren't for self-publishing anyway; you'll have to go through an editor before being considered for publication.
If you're shooting for e-publishing, why not go for Amazon's direct Kindle publishing? I think Counterpunch did something similar. You should shoot him a private message and ask.
Or, you can give Bob's Lulu a try.
And this place you were talking about, what do the 700 dollars pay for?
Me, Grimlock! wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Because I couldn't find any of those websites. If I can't find something in less than 5 minutes, I get bored and conclude it isn't worth my time. I found one site, which has been seemingly dead for ages. I posted my story on it anyway.
Ugh. By this, I hope you mean you posted a request asking for critiques and not the story itself. If you posted a good chunk of the story itself, that's considered first publication. Won't mean anything if you're self-publishing, but if you go through traditional publishing, you've just given up first publishing rights. And most publishers want first publication rights.
SlyTF1 wrote:I've considered both LuLu and Amazon, but I'm leaning towards Amazon. The $700 is for advertising, I'm guessing. And that's the problem I'd have if I published it with either of those two; advertising.
SlyTF1 wrote:I write my best everywhere I go. That includes here,
SlyTF1 wrote:The hell are you talking about?
SlyTF1 wrote:I don't know how you'd want me to react.
Va'al wrote:Learn to communicate in a civil manner
Mykltron wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I write my best everywhere I go. That includes here,
And yet you can't even tell when your tone is arrogant, off-hand and/or offensive. If this is your best writing then I can't see you writing prose that is sensitive to the character, mood or events at that part of the story.
SlyTF1 wrote:I've considered both LuLu and Amazon, but I'm leaning towards Amazon.
SlyTF1 wrote:The $700 is for advertising, I'm guessing. And that's the problem I'd have if I published it with either of those two; advertising.
SlyTF1 wrote:The website said I get to keep every right. If not, they lied. And even if I go in and edit the story after posting it, would it still not be eligible?
Me, Grimlock! wrote:First publication rights is exactly what it sounds like: the right for someone to publish the material first. So first publication rights, in a sense, is a publishing house's right, not yours, since they'll be the ones offering you money for the chance to use that right. It's your choice to give that right to whatever publisher you want, but it's that publisher's right to be the first if you sign on the dotted line. When they pay you, they're buying first publication rights from you. So you haven't given up any right when you post something on the Internet, since you technically don't have first publication rights in the first place (unless you yourself are the publisher). You've just given up the chance to sell first publication rights to someone else.
So when you post a story or at least a good percentage of it, you give up the chance to sell first publication rights to a publisher, since by posting it on the Internet, you can't then go to a publisher and tell them, "Hey, you there, legitimate publishing house, I'm giving you the chance to publish this first. Pay me for that right," because you've given it to the Internet as a whole. It's out there already. If you post a chapter or an excerpt, you're okay. Just how much is considered okay? I guess that's up to the discretion of the parties involved. Some publishers might be okay with you posting 10 percent, some might not be.
So the site didn't lie: you've retained any right you already had. You still own the material. You just gave up first publication rights if you posted it. And a lot of publishers won't consider something unless they get first publication rights.
But, again, if you self-publish, that's not an issue. Just know that, if it gets out that you've given it away somewhere, you might lose sales. How does the saying go? Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I've considered both LuLu and Amazon, but I'm leaning towards Amazon. The $700 is for advertising, I'm guessing. And that's the problem I'd have if I published it with either of those two; advertising.
Yeah, advertizing is your number one enemy when it comes to self-publishing. The more charismatic authors have little trouble selling their books, though. I guess if 700 dollars is what it takes to get your story some publicity, I say go for it. No idea if that's a reasonable price, though. Maybe you should google the company and see if these guys are legit, and if they're any good at what they do.
Have you considered expanding your story into a novel? That way, you can actually submit it to either an agent or a publishing house. Sure, you'll have to be REALLY good to catch the editor or agent's attention, but if you do, the publishing house takes care of almost everything else (though it still never hurts to self-advertise). Also, you stand to make more than you would with self-publishing.
Mykltron wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I write my best everywhere I go. That includes here,
And yet you can't even tell when your tone is arrogant, off-hand and/or offensive. If this is your best writing then I can't see you writing prose that is sensitive to the character, mood or events at that part of the story.SlyTF1 wrote:The hell are you talking about?
If you know **** about English you must be aware that this isn't a complete sentence. However you respond to this will contradict something you've said before.SlyTF1 wrote:I don't know how you'd want me to react.
The clue is in Va'al's response when he said:Va'al wrote:Learn to communicate in a civil manner
Suddenly, you seem to be doing this. I'm bored with this thread now.
SlyTF1 wrote:Um, it's a sentence if I say it's a sentence.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
SlyTF1 wrote:I haven't yelled or cursed anyone out. How is this not civil? I've been civil from the start. I can do a whole lot worse if I wanted to. If I were truly being "offensive," you'd know.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Va'al wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I haven't yelled or cursed anyone out. How is this not civil? I've been civil from the start. I can do a whole lot worse if I wanted to. If I were truly being "offensive," you'd know.
Civility is a matter of respecting the people you are talking to (or typing to), be it them, their opinions or their contributions.
You do not have to be swearing, insulting, or attacking to qualify as uncivil. Passive-aggressiveness is not civility. 'I can do a lot worse' is not civility. You are treating the people in this conversation with contempt, even when some of us are giving you help and tips on how to succeed in your project.
Blast Cannon wrote:I simply can't understand why you all continue to engage with him. He's clearly a lonely neckbeard whose only joy in life is to maintain an Internet persona which is probably the direct opposite to what he is in real life. I seem to remember him saying that he works at a cinema? He'll probably reply to this post chewing on the popcorn he retrieves from his hair each night. Ignore the prat and he'll soon get bored.
Me, Grimlock! wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I've considered both LuLu and Amazon, but I'm leaning towards Amazon.
I considered Lulu too, but when it came time to weighing pros and cons, Createspace came out on top of the ones I considered. They publish through Amazon (they're owned by them), but that's not to say publishing straight through Amazon isn't the way to go either. Let me know how it works out, wherever you go.
SlyTF1 wrote:Va'al wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I haven't yelled or cursed anyone out. How is this not civil? I've been civil from the start. I can do a whole lot worse if I wanted to. If I were truly being "offensive," you'd know.
Civility is a matter of respecting the people you are talking to (or typing to), be it them, their opinions or their contributions.
You do not have to be swearing, insulting, or attacking to qualify as uncivil. Passive-aggressiveness is not civility. 'I can do a lot worse' is not civility. You are treating the people in this conversation with contempt, even when some of us are giving you help and tips on how to succeed in your project.
I've been respectful and grateful to the people who have actually helped me. Everyone else proceeds to try to judge me and tell me who and what I am. I'm not trying to buy into that. If I see it, I'm going to cut that **** to a halt. It's as simple as that.
SlyTF1 wrote:I hate asking people to do **** for me, but I wrote a book. A short story to be precise. And before I release it to the public, I need people to read it and give me their thoughts on it. I already know it's perfect, but I want to see what you mortals think about it. After all, it's marketed towards you. So, if anyone wants to read it and criticize the **** out of it, let me know. And you can be as mean, spiteful, or biased in your criticisms as you want. Don't make up complaints, though.
And in case you're short on time, it's not that long. At all.
SlyTF1 wrote:Blast Cannon wrote:I simply can't understand why you all continue to engage with him. He's clearly a lonely neckbeard whose only joy in life is to maintain an Internet persona which is probably the direct opposite to what he is in real life. I seem to remember him saying that he works at a cinema? He'll probably reply to this post chewing on the popcorn he retrieves from his hair each night. Ignore the prat and he'll soon get bored.
And all you can do is hide behind a computer and attempt to label me with false assumptions. You don't know me.
Blast Cannon wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Blast Cannon wrote:I simply can't understand why you all continue to engage with him. He's clearly a lonely neckbeard whose only joy in life is to maintain an Internet persona which is probably the direct opposite to what he is in real life. I seem to remember him saying that he works at a cinema? He'll probably reply to this post chewing on the popcorn he retrieves from his hair each night. Ignore the prat and he'll soon get bored.
And all you can do is hide behind a computer and attempt to label me with false assumptions. You don't know me.
What film would you recommend I go and see this Friday?
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