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Thew got his hands on a pre-release copy of X-Transbot Apollyion!

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Another great video review.

Loved the, Sideways elbow action, Titan longhaul video near the end.

His reviews are always hilarious and awesome. I liked his reference to the "blue pimple??"...

Autobot Genocide wrote:

Took the time to watch this review. I was impressed with everything except for the shoulders on ball joints. Since ive seen the actual firearm in person, I can confirm that it is actually the same size as the vintage G1 toy. Thus, they compromised gun scale accuracy to give you a bigger robot. If this thing were voyager sized, it would be in scale for CHUG with both modes and I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Rated X wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote:

Took the time to watch this review. I was impressed with everything except for the shoulders on ball joints. Since ive seen the actual firearm in person, I can confirm that it is actually the same size as the vintage G1 toy. Thus, they compromised gun scale accuracy to give you a bigger robot. If this thing were voyager sized, it would be in scale for CHUG with both modes and I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Think your mistaken there mate:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/comparing-g1-megatron-to-his-reallife-counterpart/27666/

Apollyon is closer in scale with the actual P-38' not perfect I grant you, the grip is longer and he's "fatter" for want of a better word, but G1 Megs is a fair bit smaller than the gun he's based on.

leakin' lubricant wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote:

Took the time to watch this review. I was impressed with everything except for the shoulders on ball joints. Since ive seen the actual firearm in person, I can confirm that it is actually the same size as the vintage G1 toy. Thus, they compromised gun scale accuracy to give you a bigger robot. If this thing were voyager sized, it would be in scale for CHUG with both modes and I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Think your mistaken there mate:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/comparing-g1-megatron-to-his-reallife-counterpart/27666/

Apollyon is closer in scale with the actual P-38' not perfect I grant you, the grip is longer and he's "fatter" for want of a better word, but G1 Megs is a fair bit smaller than the gun he's based on.

Well I saw the Walther P-38 in an firearms museum exhibit years ago. I didnt have my G1 Megatron handy to lay it on the glass to compare. While the pics you provided clearly show the actual firearm to be larger than the G1 vintage toy, Apollyon appears to be way bigger in this review. Thew isnt exactly a small guy and Apollyon seems to be bulging out of his hands and clearly dwarfs most modern police issue firearms. I would be inclined to believe the G1 vintage toy is closer to the actual firearm's size than Apollyon. That's just my opinion. Hopefully somebody will provide a pic of Apollyon next to the real thing.

Rated X wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote:

Took the time to watch this review. I was impressed with everything except for the shoulders on ball joints. Since ive seen the actual firearm in person, I can confirm that it is actually the same size as the vintage G1 toy. Thus, they compromised gun scale accuracy to give you a bigger robot. If this thing were voyager sized, it would be in scale for CHUG with both modes and I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Think your mistaken there mate:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/comparing-g1-megatron-to-his-reallife-counterpart/27666/

Apollyon is closer in scale with the actual P-38' not perfect I grant you, the grip is longer and he's "fatter" for want of a better word, but G1 Megs is a fair bit smaller than the gun he's based on.

Well I saw the Walther P-38 in an firearms museum exhibit years ago. I didnt have my G1 Megatron handy to lay it on the glass to compare. While the pics you provided clearly show the actual firearm to be larger than the G1 vintage toy, Apollyon appears to be way bigger in this review. Thew isnt exactly a small guy and Apollyon seems to be bulging out of his hands and clearly dwarfs most modern police issue firearms. I would be inclined to believe the G1 vintage toy is closer to the actual firearm's size than Apollyon. That's just my opinion. Hopefully somebody will provide a pic of Apollyon next to the real thing.

Best I could find:





Like I said not perfect, but not far off.

It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

MFUP38.jpg

WOW, great tidbit! And quite topical since a new man from UNCLE is coming out starring superman.

william-james88 wrote:

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

MFUP38.jpg

WOW, great tidbit! And quite topical since a new man from UNCLE is coming out starring superman.

Yeah I am wondering how good the film will be...

I was just happy to see on XTB's facebook page the boxes of Apollyon(s) being shipped out.

I also thought it was kewl that they changed their background pic to Thew in his "Chechnyan Hitman" get up... He's hilarious.

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a side note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

MFUP38.jpg

WOW, great tidbit! And quite topical since a new man from UNCLE is coming out starring superman.

Yeah I am wondering how good the film will be...

I was just happy to see on XTB's facebook page the boxes of Apollyon(s) being shipped out.

I also thought it was kewl that they changed their background pic to Thew in his "Chechnyan Hitman" get up... He's hilarious.

Very cool to all of the above!! U.N.C.L.E. Apollyon?!

Think this X-T Apollyon toy in both modes is as perfect as it gets. It's going to be a great to to buy and display. Think this will easily become the best 3rd party TF toy of the year.

Could care less about this be the same size as a real gun or not. Since none of us are going to use it as a real gun.

Think the proportions for Apollyon turned out better than other update gun Megatron toys. Think the selling point of this toy is that it's scales the same robot height as MP-10

Do not think it is possible to down size or up size complicated toys like Appollyon. Without the need to remove or add parts. Alter the joints tech, alter the plastic density, Alter the engineering. Resculpt a few parts. Take away or add articulation. If all this has to be down. Might as well just create a new toy from scratch.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Do not think it is possible to down size or up size complicated toys like Appollyon. Without the need to remove or add parts. Alter the joints tech, alter the plastic density, Alter the engineering. Resculpt a few parts. Take away or add articulation. If all this has to be down. Might as well just create a new toy from scratch.

You underestimate these 3rd party engineers Tsu. Voyager sized figures like FP Motormaster, Quickswitch, and Broadside prove size has nothing to do with complexity. You can have a figure of MP complexity that is voyager scale. The big size is all for show in my opinion.

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

MFUP38.jpg

Your right Donny, that's the only time a P-38 has used that arrangement, it could never have been used in reality as looking through the scope whilst firing would have taken your eye out.

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

Out of interest which version represents Megs in your collection? When I collected Classics United Megs was mine.

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

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Good catch, I was hoping someone would figure that out. Megatron's design does indeed come from Man From U.N.C.L.E. It was a Walther P38 modified to hold a stock, silencer and scope, which the real gun does not do in it's stock configuration. (It's only real configuration.) They thought it would look like a neat sniper pistol and be all fancy for a secret agent.

It clearly worked. In fact, the Microman version of Megatron has U.N.C.L.E. on it's box, no joke.



If it wasn't for U.N.C.L.E. we wouldn't have Megatron as we've come to know and love him. Good catch, dude!

If it was so easy and cheap to down size or up size 3rd party TF toys. then 3rd parties would be doing this all the time.

No 3rd party has ever up sized or down sized a 3rd party TF toy. For valid reasons, not because they don't feel like doing it.

Autobot032 wrote:

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

Good catch, I was hoping someone would figure that out. Megatron's design does indeed come from Man From U.N.C.L.E. It was a Walther P38 modified to hold a stock, silencer and scope, which the real gun does not do in it's stock configuration. (It's only real configuration.) They thought it would look like a neat sniper pistol and be all fancy for a secret agent.

It clearly worked. In fact, the Microman version of Megatron has U.N.C.L.E. on it's box, no joke.

If it wasn't for U.N.C.L.E. we wouldn't have Megatron as we've come to know and love him. Good catch, dude!

That is completely awesome! I need to re-watch that show for the reference, and we can hope it'll be in the new movie! Thankfully Apollyon comes with all the goodies

itscramtastic wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

donny1975 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Rated X wrote:It's close. But if I was to choose sizes for the sake of the gun mode only, I would prefer slightly smaller to slightly larger. maybe its my bias towards classics scale. But I also believe the smaller size is more passable as a real firearm than the larger one. Just my opinion though.

On a sidfe note, is there any documentation that the silencer, scope, and stock ever really existed for the Walther P-38 ? Or was that just inspired from a different gun and a total fantasy created by Takara in the 80's ?

I always wanted to know as well.

Well it is very reminiscent of the walther p38 in the old t.v. show man from uncle...so maybe they took it from that?

Good catch, I was hoping someone would figure that out. Megatron's design does indeed come from Man From U.N.C.L.E. It was a Walther P38 modified to hold a stock, silencer and scope, which the real gun does not do in it's stock configuration. (It's only real configuration.) They thought it would look like a neat sniper pistol and be all fancy for a secret agent.

It clearly worked. In fact, the Microman version of Megatron has U.N.C.L.E. on it's box, no joke.

If it wasn't for U.N.C.L.E. we wouldn't have Megatron as we've come to know and love him. Good catch, dude!

That is completely awesome! I need to re-watch that show for the reference, and we can hope it'll be in the new movie! Thankfully Apollyon comes with all the goodies

It is. It's seen very (I mean very) briefly in the trailer. Literally a blink and you miss kinda deal.

Received an email from BBTS that pre-orders are processing soon!! They expect to receive him at BBTS in 7-10 days!! Woooo!!!

I also forwarded it to news@seibertron.com not sure if it's truly news worthy but it's good to know!!

itscramtastic wrote:Received an email from BBTS that pre-orders are processing soon!! They expect to receive him at BBTS in 7-10 days!! Woooo!!!

I also forwarded it to news@seibertron.com not sure if it's truly news worthy but it's good to know!!

That's good news.

Already paid for my pre order. Went with a different American based import site.

With X-T Apollyon soon to be released. Hoping more time will now get spent on trying to get X-T Scourge and X-T Cyclonus toys released in a few months.

*thrusts fist into the air* YESSSSS....

OH MY CRAZED CRUSTACEAN, DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS?!

YESSSSS....

itscramtastic wrote:I also forwarded it to news@seibertron.com not sure if it's truly news worthy but it's good to know!!

Yeah, there's a policy against 3P news items on the front page, so nothing likely there... *shrug*

I'll be very interested to hear the chatter on this guy. I love my Ollie and Go-Bots Turbo homage, but there were definitely QC issues...