Combiner Wars Wave 4 Extended Bios for Ironhide, Mirage, Prowl and Sunstreaker

"It's enough to make a bot flip a table over now and then."

Noideaforaname wrote:"It's enough to make a bot flip a table over now and then."

How checky is Hasbro?

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I do like these bio cards. It's a little touch, but an appreciated one for people to think of these as characters as well as toys. Plus, these are like the CHUG of bios, incorporating most of the classic elements of the characters over time.

Love the bios. They add so much to the characters. And they take so many cues from both original G1 and IDW G1.

The hunt was useless. the only guys I found were 2 Offroads, 3 Dead ends and many Silverbolts and Primes. And that was between Toys r us, Target and Walmart. disappointing.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:The hunt was useless. the only guys I found were 2 Offroads, 3 Dead ends and many Silverbolts and Primes. And that was between Toys r us, Target and Walmart. disappointing.

Sounds like this was quite a dead end for you....

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:The hunt was useless. the only guys I found were 2 Offroads, 3 Dead ends and many Silverbolts and Primes. And that was between Toys r us, Target and Walmart. disappointing.

Sounds like this was quite a dead end for you....

Dude... Way to break me up when I was already knocked flat in pieces...

There seems to be something lacking from Prowl's bio: I couldn't find the words "prick", "insufferable" or "***hole" mentioned anywhere in there.

CrankyOldTruck wrote:There seems to be something lacking from Prowl's bio: I couldn't find the words "prick", "insufferable" or "***hole" mentioned anywhere in there.

Bios don't judge. Not like people do.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Dude... Way to break me up when I was already knocked flat in pieces...

I made up for it in the robots in disguise thread.

Will Takara possibly release these guys??

I got my hands on Ironhide today but if it turns out Takara will in fact release Ironhide and the rest then I will hold off on opening it up.

I really wish that there were more uses of Rook that I could (easily) buy; he makes a great bulky limb in either form, I just wish that they had either given him hands, or gone full cannon with his arms, because the pseudo-hands are really distracting.

Nemesis Destron wrote:Will Takara possibly release these guys??

I got my hands on Ironhide today but if it turns out Takara will in fact release Ironhide and the rest then I will hold off on opening it up.

They've teased that they will/are; but I wouldn't expect anything spectacular. Hasbros already have painted rims, and they look as G1 as possible; so unless they retool the chest plates (like sunstreakers) I would probably go ahead with the hasbro release

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Dude... Way to break me up when I was already knocked flat in pieces...

I made up for it in the robots in disguise thread.

Yes, you very much did.

Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

How 'bout Fracture?

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

I'd use the Mirage mold. The head is closer.

I was fiddling around with Dead End last night and came up with a Herr Fiend mode. Fun times.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

How 'bout Fracture?

Tomato. Tomahto. I just dig the deco. And we need more limbs.

Shuttershock wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

I'd use the Mirage mold. The head is closer.

I was fiddling around with Dead End last night and came up with a Herr Fiend mode. Fun times.

Yeah. The head would be better. I just meant the general mold. It's funny to say it but I want more deception limbs. It's like autobots are trying to take that from the Cons. They made combining a thing man!

Optimizzy wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

How 'bout Fracture?

Tomato. Tomahto. I just dig the deco. And we need more limbs.

I would take both, really; they make exceptional limbs. The only difference being that one is a fembot

This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

Thadicon wrote:This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

"Say Lazerbeak, you think we can keep the troops light on their feet?"

"I guess, Buzzsaw. Although in Brawls case, we might need two shocks."

"DO-HOHO-HOHO-HOHO!"

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

Shuttershock wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

"Say Lazerbeak, you think we can keep the troops light on their feet?"

"I guess, Buzzsaw. Although in Brawls case, we might need two shocks."

"DO-HOHO-HOHO-HOHO!"

Exactly (now everything makes sense... forever )

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

Probably because it's an homage so close to Crasher (a character they do not own) that it could involve legal action. Just my guess.

Shuttershock wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

Probably because it's an homage so close to Crasher (a character they do not own) that it could involve legal action. Just my guess.

Ooooohhhhhhh, come to think of it it did look like a diaclone figure or something else that I'd seen recently. So who owns whomever it is then?

Shuttershock wrote:
"Say Lazerbeak, you think we can keep the troops light on their feet?"

"I guess, Buzzsaw. Although in Brawls case, we might need two shocks."

"DO-HOHO-HOHO-HOHO!"

This will take a long time to die... DOHOHO!!

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

Probably because it's an homage so close to Crasher (a character they do not own) that it could involve legal action. Just my guess.

Ooooohhhhhhh, come to think of it it did look like a diaclone figure or something else that I'd seen recently. So who owns whomever it is then?

I think technically Bandai owns the molds and IP, though I can't be sure.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Anyone else want a Crasher redeco from the drag strip mold? Maybe? Gosh I do.

Well, hope you got the customization skills to paint it yourself, or the money to commission a more adept customizer to do it for you, since that's a deco homage Hasbro won't touch again after the fiasco that was Movie Fracture.

What happened? Mine's pretty great

It was a product that all parties weren't very comfortable with since it walked the thin line of what Hasbro could and could not legally do.

Why? Because of the name, or that it was female, or was the character originally a male, or something else (I have literally never heard of this being a thing until just now)

When it comes to the GoBots franchise there are presently three companies that factor into the ownership rights: Hasbro, Bandai, and Warner Bros. While Hasbro owns some of the GoBots names (not all of them since some of them are untrademarkable), they do not own the characters or character likenesses. That's where the other two come in. Bandai owns the likenesses that were based on their original Machine Robo toy mold designs (this includes decos), while Warner Bros owns the characters themselves, evidenced in WB's recent release of the cartoon via their special made-to-order DVD releases instead of as regular mass retail DVD releases.

Without the rights to either the characters or their looks, this makes Hasbro hesitant to make a Transformers toy done up in the colors of a GoBot and with the name and identity of said GoBot that its deco is homaging.

And while there have been previous releases of TF toys as GoBot characters proper (not just as homages to them but as the actual GoBots themselves), they were done in ways that got around the legal issues, but which also prevented them from visually resembling the GoBots that they were supposed to be:

When e-HOBBY did their six-pack Minibot G1 GoBots redeco set, they used prototype Transformers decos that didn't resemble any of the GoBot decos, and didn't even give any of the six names or identities. The toys were all nameless and bio-less.

For BotCon 2007 Bug Bite, its deco was based on the nameless e-HOBBY toy, and while Club fiction has established him as officially being the GoBot Renegade of the same name, his toy bio did not directly identify him as such, instead remaining ambiguous about his true nature, writing him instead as an enigma among his peers:

Bugbite is a Decepticon shrouded in mystery. Many serving under Bludgeon are unsure as to why he gained such favor. commander of one of the finest ships within Bludgeon's army, Bugbite enjoys unusual freedom of action, often disappearing for months at a time with his eclectic crew of ne'er-do-wells on missions of which none of them ever speak. Many under his command have abandoned partners and friends without a word leading many to suspect even greater duplicity than is typical among the Decepticons.

Movie Fracture was a very borderline case that played at least a part in TF companies' current reluctance to do any more direct GoBot homages. As that figure was originally intended to be the GoBot Crasher, such couldn't be done due to Crasher's character and likeness being owned by Warner Bros and Bandai, and so became the different character of Fracture. But, its deco was still very much that of Crasher, making it a very questionable case that made Hasbro feel uneasy afterward. Since then, there haven't been anymore direct GoBot deco homages made, with any other GoBot deco homages being only "loose" or "indirect" homages in toys like ROTF Deadlift. But Fracture wasn't exactly something that all parties felt "okay" with.

So if we ever want something like, say, an official Transformers Cy-Kill toy, it'd likely either have to be a redeco of another TF motorcycle character in some deco that doesn't remotely resemble that of Cy-Kill, or it would have to be just a generic red and blue decoed motorcycle figure that isn't named "Cy-Kill", and either case's bio would most likely have to identify the figure as some new guy who isn't the GoBots Cy-Kill character. An official Transformers Cy-Kill toy that's colored like Cy-Kill, named "Cy-Kill", and identified as the GoBots Cy-Kill character would very likely draw unwanted legal action from Bandai and/or Warner Bros that Hasbro does everything in their power to avoid.

Same goes for all other GoBots.

Sabrblade wrote:When it comes to the GoBots franchise there are presently three companies that factor into the ownership rights: Hasbro, Bandai, and Warner Bros. While Hasbro owns some of the GoBots names (not all of them since some of them are untrademarkable), they do not own the characters or character likenesses. That's where the other two come in. Bandai owns the likenesses that were based on their original Machine Robo toy mold designs (this includes decos), while Warner Bros owns the characters themselves, evidenced in WB's recent release of the cartoon via their special made-to-order DVD releases instead of as regular mass retail DVD releases.

Without the rights to either the characters or their looks, this makes Hasbro hesitant to make a Transformers toy done up in the colors of a GoBot and with the name and identity of said GoBot that its deco is homaging.

And while there have been previous releases of TF toys as GoBot characters proper (not just as homages to them but as the actual GoBots themselves), they were done in ways that got around the legal issues, but which also prevented them from visually resembling the GoBots that they were supposed to be:

When e-HOBBY did their six-pack Minibot G1 GoBots redeco set, they used prototype Transformers decos that didn't resemble any of the GoBot decos, and didn't even give any of the six names or identities. The toys were all nameless and bio-less.

For BotCon 2007 Bug Bite, its deco was based on the nameless e-HOBBY toy, and while Club fiction has established him as officially being the GoBot Renegade of the same name, his toy bio did not directly identify him as such, instead remaining ambiguous about his true nature, writing him instead as an enigma among his peers.

Movie Fracture was a very borderline case that played at least a part in TF companies' current reluctance to do any more direct GoBot homages. As that figure was originally intended to be the GoBot Crasher, such couldn't be done due to Crasher's character and likeness being owned by Warner Bros and Bandai, and so became the different character of Fracture. But, its deco was still very much that of Crasher, making it a very questionable case that made Hasbro feel uneasy afterward. Since then, there haven't been anymore direct GoBot deco homages made, with any other GoBot deco homages being only "loose" or "indirect" homages in toys like ROTF Deadlift. But Fracture wasn't exactly something that all parties felt "okay" with.

So if we ever want something like, say, an official Transformers Cy-Kill toy, it'd likely either have to be a redeco of another TF motorcycle character in some deco that doesn't remotely resemble that of Cy-Kill, or it would have to be just a generic red and blue decoed motorcycle figure that isn't named "Cy-Kill", and either case's bio would most likely have to identify the figure as some new guy who isn't the GoBots Cy-Kill character. An official Transformers Cy-Kill toy that's colored like Cy-Kill, named "Cy-Kill", and identified as the GoBots Cy-Kill character would very likely draw unwanted legal action from Bandai and/or Warner Bros that Hasbro does everything in their power to avoid.

Same goes for all other GoBots.

Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:When it comes to the GoBots franchise there are presently three companies that factor into the ownership rights: Hasbro, Bandai, and Warner Bros. While Hasbro owns some of the GoBots names (not all of them since some of them are untrademarkable), they do not own the characters or character likenesses. That's where the other two come in. Bandai owns the likenesses that were based on their original Machine Robo toy mold designs (this includes decos), while Warner Bros owns the characters themselves, evidenced in WB's recent release of the cartoon via their special made-to-order DVD releases instead of as regular mass retail DVD releases.

Without the rights to either the characters or their looks, this makes Hasbro hesitant to make a Transformers toy done up in the colors of a GoBot and with the name and identity of said GoBot that its deco is homaging.

And while there have been previous releases of TF toys as GoBot characters proper (not just as homages to them but as the actual GoBots themselves), they were done in ways that got around the legal issues, but which also prevented them from visually resembling the GoBots that they were supposed to be:

When e-HOBBY did their six-pack Minibot G1 GoBots redeco set, they used prototype Transformers decos that didn't resemble any of the GoBot decos, and didn't even give any of the six names or identities. The toys were all nameless and bio-less.

For BotCon 2007 Bug Bite, its deco was based on the nameless e-HOBBY toy, and while Club fiction has established him as officially being the GoBot Renegade of the same name, his toy bio did not directly identify him as such, instead remaining ambiguous about his true nature, writing him instead as an enigma among his peers.

Movie Fracture was a very borderline case that played at least a part in TF companies' current reluctance to do any more direct GoBot homages. As that figure was originally intended to be the GoBot Crasher, such couldn't be done due to Crasher's character and likeness being owned by Warner Bros and Bandai, and so became the different character of Fracture. But, its deco was still very much that of Crasher, making it a very questionable case that made Hasbro feel uneasy afterward. Since then, there haven't been anymore direct GoBot deco homages made, with any other GoBot deco homages being only "loose" or "indirect" homages in toys like ROTF Deadlift. But Fracture wasn't exactly something that all parties felt "okay" with.

So if we ever want something like, say, an official Transformers Cy-Kill toy, it'd likely either have to be a redeco of another TF motorcycle character in some deco that doesn't remotely resemble that of Cy-Kill, or it would have to be just a generic red and blue decoed motorcycle figure that isn't named "Cy-Kill", and either case's bio would most likely have to identify the figure as some new guy who isn't the GoBots Cy-Kill character. An official Transformers Cy-Kill toy that's colored like Cy-Kill, named "Cy-Kill", and identified as the GoBots Cy-Kill character would very likely draw unwanted legal action from Bandai and/or Warner Bros that Hasbro does everything in their power to avoid.

Same goes for all other GoBots.

Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

Officially, they probably couldn't make a situation where it both looks and is identified as Cy-Kill.

Unofficially, Unique Toys has something on the market. https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UQT10009&mode=retail

Shuttershock wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

Officially, they probably couldn't make a situation where it both looks and is identified as Cy-Kill.

Unofficially, Unique Toys has something on the market. https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UQT10009&mode=retail

Yeah, I knew about him, but there's nothing to say that they couldn't call him brimstone (speaking of repaint potentail ) and make him kinda look like cy-kill, they may not be able to make the head similar, but we'd get it obviously, same goes for fracture (plus more fembots could never hurt)

these are goood

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Alright thanks, I knew about the tradsmark thing, just didn't realize crasher was a gobot. So, since 3P companies obviously trample all over this with hasbro, how close could they get without being 'in danger'? I was thinking earlier this evening that they could pull off a decent cy-kill from TT's bigroove.

Crasher was pretty recognizable, maybe just change the face deco, cuz that plays a lot into who he is, but keep the general colors of red/pink white and black.

Officially, they probably couldn't make a situation where it both looks and is identified as Cy-Kill.

Unofficially, Unique Toys has something on the market. https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UQT10009&mode=retail

Yeah, I knew about him, but there's nothing to say that they couldn't call him brimstone (speaking of repaint potentail ) and make him kinda look like cy-kill, they may not be able to make the head similar, but we'd get it obviously, same goes for fracture (plus more fembots could never hurt)

Indeed. Say what you want about Gobots, they had a girl in their opening roster. What's more, it wasn't a big deal, maybe because she was a villain. She's a girl, and she's one of the top 3 Renegades (like the Baroness or Evil-Lyn).

Loved the table flip bit!

Nemesis Destron wrote:Will Takara possibly release these guys??

I got my hands on Ironhide today but if it turns out Takara will in fact release Ironhide and the rest then I will hold off on opening it up.

Yes, they confirmed they are releasing them.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:This is a bit of a random question about the new Buzzsaw that is coming out but what is the mode with the wheels supposed to be?

Like He turns into a tablet and bird mode but what is the other mode supposed to be? A skateboard or something?

A taser on wheels, so he can irritate 's by poking their ankles, obvoiusly

It was referred to as a "tank mode" (cough cough)

That Prowl bio is magnificent. Touches on the G1 tech spec, his IDW personality, and the table. Whoever they've got writing these is on point, and unusually so. Must be someone at IDW, right?

Well, this certainly looks more like G1 Mirage than Classics Mirage did (not my pic, BTW):



Just needs his arms (or at least his hands) swapped.

Sabrblade wrote:Well, this certainly looks more like G1 Mirage than Classics Mirage did (not my pic, BTW):



Just needs his arms (or at least his hands) swapped.

would it still transform correctly if you pop out the arms and swap it? hmm..

Sabrblade wrote:Well, this certainly looks more like G1 Mirage than Classics Mirage did (not my pic, BTW):



Just needs his arms (or at least his hands) swapped.

Or indeed Machine Wars Mirage.

Mirage looks cool in that picture, but in person it doesn't look quite as good. I tried it. Looks like he's wearing a baby carrier.
I don't think he would transform correctly if you swapped the arms, but he certainly would if you just swapped the hands.
I like him the way he is. Makes him stand apart from his other incarnations, but I have always liked his car kibble breast plate. One of my fav designs from back in the day.

Woah, what kind of pose is Arcee in?!

I personally like Mirage the way he is. He does look like a baby carrier in that pose and the arms cannot be swapped without messing up the transformation, but the hand could be switched!

william-james88 wrote:Woah, what kind of pose is Arcee in?!

Lol

Optimizzy wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah, what kind of pose is Arcee in?!

Lol

Ha ha... yeah somebody wanted an excuse to put Arcee's sexy legs in the background...

She's probably jumping in some awesome attack pose but...you know. Laws of probability.