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RUMOUR: Transformers Earthspark to End After Season 2, Replaced with a New Show
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Comment by Bounti76
May 15, 2024
If this turns out to be true, I wouldn't be surprised. While the episodes I've caught have been pretty decent, the toyline sells like.... well, nothing. It's clogged shelves since it was released.
As to the other point, while the character of Nightshade is fine, rather intolerant people have made a crisis out of a less than 30 second scene where pronouns are explained (the word gender is never mentioned). On a vaguely related note, look at people losing their brain modules over the also non-binary Morph in the X-Men 97 series. Their gender was only ever mentioned in the credits, and as far as I know, their pronouns have only been used once, by Rogue, in the next-to-last episode. The hate that trans and non-binary people face is unreal.
As to the other point, while the character of Nightshade is fine, rather intolerant people have made a crisis out of a less than 30 second scene where pronouns are explained (the word gender is never mentioned). On a vaguely related note, look at people losing their brain modules over the also non-binary Morph in the X-Men 97 series. Their gender was only ever mentioned in the credits, and as far as I know, their pronouns have only been used once, by Rogue, in the next-to-last episode. The hate that trans and non-binary people face is unreal.
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At least with Morph, he's from a show that is targeting all ages, as opposed to mainly younger viewers. That's what the whole controversy was about. But yeah, that deal with Morph shows you don't need much.
As for the toyline clogging up the shelves, it's not wrong, but it's not new either. Cyberverse and RID 2015 had so many older fans enraged that it's all you could find clogging up the shelves but those shows still lasted a good while.
Comment by william-james88
May 15, 2024
Bounti76 wrote:If this turns out to be true, I wouldn't be surprised. While the episodes I've caught have been pretty decent, the toyline sells like.... well, nothing. It's clogged shelves since it was released.
As to the other point, while the character of Nightshade is fine, rather intolerant people have made a crisis out of a less than 30 second scene where pronouns are explained (the word gender is never mentioned). On a vaguely related note, look at people losing their brain modules over the also non-binary Morph in the X-Men 97 series. Their gender was only ever mentioned in the credits, and as far as I know, their pronouns have only been used once, by Rogue, in the next-to-last episode. The hate that trans and non-binary people face is unreal.
At least with Morph, he's from a show that is targeting all ages, as opposed to mainly younger viewers. That's what the whole controversy was about. But yeah, that deal with Morph shows you don't need much.
As for the toyline clogging up the shelves, it's not wrong, but it's not new either. Cyberverse and RID 2015 had so many older fans enraged that it's all you could find clogging up the shelves but those shows still lasted a good while.
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Comment by DeathReviews
May 15, 2024
Heck, even GOOD Transformers shows, like Transformers Animated, have been cancelled prematurely. It's disingenuous to blame a show's failure on a convenient boogerman like intolerance. That's just deflecting responsibility to an intangible, ideological scapegoat. Lay the ultimate responsibility where it belongs - on the show itself.
If a show is any good, people will watch - regardless of 'intolerance' or 'conservative news outlets'. As for Earthspark itself, when it was first teased I said: "Transformers is supposed to be a story about good vs. evil, depicted as a civil war between two factions of giant, alien robots. If Earthspark tries to make it about something else, if their writing gets subsumed in some weird crusade to 'redefine what it means to be a family', then the show will fail."
And it didn't help that Nickelodeon kept bouncing it around so unpredictably. You can't keep a show almost a dead secret, then ambush viewers with episodes without telling them when it's on, then act surprised when ratings are low.
If a show is any good, people will watch - regardless of 'intolerance' or 'conservative news outlets'. As for Earthspark itself, when it was first teased I said: "Transformers is supposed to be a story about good vs. evil, depicted as a civil war between two factions of giant, alien robots. If Earthspark tries to make it about something else, if their writing gets subsumed in some weird crusade to 'redefine what it means to be a family', then the show will fail."
And it didn't help that Nickelodeon kept bouncing it around so unpredictably. You can't keep a show almost a dead secret, then ambush viewers with episodes without telling them when it's on, then act surprised when ratings are low.
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Comment by First-Aid
May 15, 2024
To quote Bender: "Hey sexy mama...wanna kill all the humans?"
Yeah, let's just lose all the humans in the next series. I wonder if this is going to be related to Transformers One?
Look, kids aren't dumb. They don't need humans to connect to characters. If the characters are written well, they will connect and identify with them. Take a lesson from the (first) death of Optimus Prime in the 86 movie. The outflow of sorrow and tears from kids was telling...and they didn't need a human to identify with him! They just created an identifiable, kind, wise father figure that kids could look up to. The rest happened naturally. LET THE BOTS RULE.
End of tangental rant.
Yeah, let's just lose all the humans in the next series. I wonder if this is going to be related to Transformers One?
Look, kids aren't dumb. They don't need humans to connect to characters. If the characters are written well, they will connect and identify with them. Take a lesson from the (first) death of Optimus Prime in the 86 movie. The outflow of sorrow and tears from kids was telling...and they didn't need a human to identify with him! They just created an identifiable, kind, wise father figure that kids could look up to. The rest happened naturally. LET THE BOTS RULE.
End of tangental rant.
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Aaanyway. I haven't really kept up with Earthspark despite meaning to (my 8yo godson loves it, though) - was there ever a suggestion of its intended run length? 2-3 seasons seems pretty normal, and I would expect to get something to tie in to TF:One once that's out (and that next series would have to already be in development at this point, naturally).
Comment by Glyph
May 15, 2024
IME, that's only ever the pretext, never the actual complaint - which is basically always that the character exists at all. The age factor doesn't even make sense as a complaint unless you're conflating identity with sexuality, which is of course the standard rhetorical move precisely because it brings "but think of the children!" into play.william-james88 wrote:At least with Morph, he's from a show that is targeting all ages, as opposed to mainly younger viewers. That's what the whole controversy was about.
Aaanyway. I haven't really kept up with Earthspark despite meaning to (my 8yo godson loves it, though) - was there ever a suggestion of its intended run length? 2-3 seasons seems pretty normal, and I would expect to get something to tie in to TF:One once that's out (and that next series would have to already be in development at this point, naturally).
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Comment by Deadput
May 15, 2024
Just because the franchise doesn't "require" humans doesn't mean that humans are a concept bringing down the franchise. About Robots that turn into vehicles that even on Cybertron are typically based on IRL vehicles.
You just need good writers who can make both humans and Transformers work.
There were a couple of trilogies a few years back that had no humans at all and were still absolute travesties in the writing department, although Cyberverse was actually quite decent and had no humans despite Earth being a location as well.
Point is that humans don't need to stay or go, writers just need to use them well if they are in the show. It's not impossible and it has been done before.
You just need good writers who can make both humans and Transformers work.
There were a couple of trilogies a few years back that had no humans at all and were still absolute travesties in the writing department, although Cyberverse was actually quite decent and had no humans despite Earth being a location as well.
Point is that humans don't need to stay or go, writers just need to use them well if they are in the show. It's not impossible and it has been done before.
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Comment by Glyph
May 15, 2024
Yeah, this. Paging Bob Budiansky: "What's the point of bringing your alien robots to Earth and then not having them interact with humans?"Deadput wrote:Just because the franchise doesn't "require" humans doesn't mean that humans are a concept bringing down the franchise. ... You just need good writers who can make both humans and Transformers work.
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Comment by o.supreme
May 15, 2024
If anything, I think it has more to do with the sale of eOne. When Hasbro announced its sale, I thought there may be no S2 of Earthspark. But in truth, probably 2 seasons were agreed upon from the beginning, so eOne is just finishing out a contractual obligation. This happens often in animation, whether a series is popular or not, if whomever is financing the project doesn't wish to order any more episodes, then that's it.
Unfortunately I've pretty much given up on TF Animation, which has been the core of my connection to the franchise for 40 years. Through all the ups and downs, I had faith that in time, something good would come along eventually. Prime was the last series I truly enjoyed, and the film that ended that series came out 11 years ago.
I understanding wanting to aim at younger audiences to try to cultivate new fans. But the stuff that has been made for old folks like me (The Machinima Prime Wars Series and Netflix WFC) are just really "off" in many ways. I actually do (in some misguided way) enjoy some parts of the Netflix series, but others just infuriate me.
Basically my feelings are this: Just ONCE I wish Hasbro would try to recreate something that would honestly look and feel like the original Sunbow animated series. Get Toei involved as well. While X-Men 97 isn't the same as the 90's show, it certainly is a worthy effort.
I know many of the Actors are sadly no longer with us. But when I hear excuses like "It would be too expensive", or "The technology doesn't exist any more". I like to paraphrase Obadiah Stane from the first Iron Man film:
Hasbro: we can't make new episodes of the original series. It's too expensive and the technology doesn't exist anymore
Obadiah Stane (the fans) : Fanatic Films did it With Scraps in a Cave!
Hasbro: with all do respect, we aren't Fanatic Films.
Now these may make zero sense continuity wise. But honestly, watching them brings me more satisfaction than any actual TF series has since Prime ended in 2013.
Unfortunately I've pretty much given up on TF Animation, which has been the core of my connection to the franchise for 40 years. Through all the ups and downs, I had faith that in time, something good would come along eventually. Prime was the last series I truly enjoyed, and the film that ended that series came out 11 years ago.
I understanding wanting to aim at younger audiences to try to cultivate new fans. But the stuff that has been made for old folks like me (The Machinima Prime Wars Series and Netflix WFC) are just really "off" in many ways. I actually do (in some misguided way) enjoy some parts of the Netflix series, but others just infuriate me.
Basically my feelings are this: Just ONCE I wish Hasbro would try to recreate something that would honestly look and feel like the original Sunbow animated series. Get Toei involved as well. While X-Men 97 isn't the same as the 90's show, it certainly is a worthy effort.
I know many of the Actors are sadly no longer with us. But when I hear excuses like "It would be too expensive", or "The technology doesn't exist any more". I like to paraphrase Obadiah Stane from the first Iron Man film:
Hasbro: we can't make new episodes of the original series. It's too expensive and the technology doesn't exist anymore
Obadiah Stane (the fans) : Fanatic Films did it With Scraps in a Cave!
Hasbro: with all do respect, we aren't Fanatic Films.
Now these may make zero sense continuity wise. But honestly, watching them brings me more satisfaction than any actual TF series has since Prime ended in 2013.
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Comment by Sabrblade
May 15, 2024
If you don't want humans, go watch Cyberverse.First-Aid wrote:To quote Bender: "Hey sexy mama...wanna kill all the humans?"
Yeah, let's just lose all the humans in the next series. I wonder if this is going to be related to Transformers One?
Look, kids aren't dumb. They don't need humans to connect to characters. If the characters are written well, they will connect and identify with them. Take a lesson from the (first) death of Optimus Prime in the 86 movie. The outflow of sorrow and tears from kids was telling...and they didn't need a human to identify with him! They just created an identifiable, kind, wise father figure that kids could look up to. The rest happened naturally. LET THE BOTS RULE.
End of tangental rant.
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Don't have that streaming service and not paying for it. If it comes out on DVD, I'll probably check it out.
Comment by First-Aid
May 15, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:If you don't want humans, go watch Cyberverse.First-Aid wrote:To quote Bender: "Hey sexy mama...wanna kill all the humans?"
Yeah, let's just lose all the humans in the next series. I wonder if this is going to be related to Transformers One?
Look, kids aren't dumb. They don't need humans to connect to characters. If the characters are written well, they will connect and identify with them. Take a lesson from the (first) death of Optimus Prime in the 86 movie. The outflow of sorrow and tears from kids was telling...and they didn't need a human to identify with him! They just created an identifiable, kind, wise father figure that kids could look up to. The rest happened naturally. LET THE BOTS RULE.
End of tangental rant.
Don't have that streaming service and not paying for it. If it comes out on DVD, I'll probably check it out.
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Or even better: Beast Wars. BWII was pretty great as well, although I know I'm in the minority on that
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Comment by o.supreme
May 15, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:If you don't want humans, go watch Cyberverse.
Or even better: Beast Wars. BWII was pretty great as well, although I know I'm in the minority on that
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Comment by Glyph
May 15, 2024
Forgot about this (busy day!) but it sounds very plausible. Even with S2 being produced by Hasbro Entertainment and the Family & Brands dept being folded into Hasbro, I could certainly see cancellation at the changeover point (see also: Clone Wars getting cancelled when Disney bought LFL).o.supreme wrote:If anything, I think it has more to do with the sale of eOne. When Hasbro announced its sale, I thought there may be no S2 of Earthspark. But in truth, probably 2 seasons were agreed upon from the beginning, so eOne is just finishing out a contractual obligation. This happens often in animation, whether a series is popular or not, if whomever is financing the project doesn't wish to order any more episodes, then that's it.
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YouTube, and the 6am deadslot on Cartoon Network.
Comment by Sabrblade
May 15, 2024
You don't have YouTube? That's where it was primarily aired.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If you don't want humans, go watch Cyberverse.First-Aid wrote:To quote Bender: "Hey sexy mama...wanna kill all the humans?"
Yeah, let's just lose all the humans in the next series. I wonder if this is going to be related to Transformers One?
Look, kids aren't dumb. They don't need humans to connect to characters. If the characters are written well, they will connect and identify with them. Take a lesson from the (first) death of Optimus Prime in the 86 movie. The outflow of sorrow and tears from kids was telling...and they didn't need a human to identify with him! They just created an identifiable, kind, wise father figure that kids could look up to. The rest happened naturally. LET THE BOTS RULE.
End of tangental rant.
Don't have that streaming service and not paying for it. If it comes out on DVD, I'll probably check it out.
YouTube, and the 6am deadslot on Cartoon Network.
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I thought it was on Netflix?
I find it interesting and hypocritical here. In the live movie threads, it's all about "LOSE THE HUMANS! WE DON"T NEED THE HUMANS! MOAR TRANSFORMERS!" THen in THIS thread, it's the opposite.
Comment by First-Aid
May 15, 2024
Sabrblade wrote:You don't have YouTube? That's where it was primarily aired.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If you don't want humans, go watch Cyberverse.First-Aid wrote:To quote Bender: "Hey sexy mama...wanna kill all the humans?"
Yeah, let's just lose all the humans in the next series. I wonder if this is going to be related to Transformers One?
Look, kids aren't dumb. They don't need humans to connect to characters. If the characters are written well, they will connect and identify with them. Take a lesson from the (first) death of Optimus Prime in the 86 movie. The outflow of sorrow and tears from kids was telling...and they didn't need a human to identify with him! They just created an identifiable, kind, wise father figure that kids could look up to. The rest happened naturally. LET THE BOTS RULE.
End of tangental rant.
Don't have that streaming service and not paying for it. If it comes out on DVD, I'll probably check it out.
YouTube, and the 6am deadslot on Cartoon Network.
I thought it was on Netflix?
I find it interesting and hypocritical here. In the live movie threads, it's all about "LOSE THE HUMANS! WE DON"T NEED THE HUMANS! MOAR TRANSFORMERS!" THen in THIS thread, it's the opposite.
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Comment by Sabrblade
May 15, 2024
Only after if finished airing each season, just like every other TF cartoon that gets put on Netflix. The only ones that exclusively went to Netflix first were War For Cybertron Trilogy and BotBots.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You don't have YouTube? That's where it was primarily aired.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If you don't want humans, go watch Cyberverse.First-Aid wrote:To quote Bender: "Hey sexy mama...wanna kill all the humans?"
Yeah, let's just lose all the humans in the next series. I wonder if this is going to be related to Transformers One?
Look, kids aren't dumb. They don't need humans to connect to characters. If the characters are written well, they will connect and identify with them. Take a lesson from the (first) death of Optimus Prime in the 86 movie. The outflow of sorrow and tears from kids was telling...and they didn't need a human to identify with him! They just created an identifiable, kind, wise father figure that kids could look up to. The rest happened naturally. LET THE BOTS RULE.
End of tangental rant.
Don't have that streaming service and not paying for it. If it comes out on DVD, I'll probably check it out.
YouTube, and the 6am deadslot on Cartoon Network.
I thought it was on Netflix?
Because the humans in the movies are always written to be the real stars of the films (which we don't want) while the cartoons typically know how to keep the humans confined to supporting roles instead (which is fine).First-Aid wrote:I find it interesting and hypocritical here. In the live movie threads, it's all about "LOSE THE HUMANS! WE DON"T NEED THE HUMANS! MOAR TRANSFORMERS!" THen in THIS thread, it's the opposite.
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Comment by chuckdawg1999
May 15, 2024
I think Cyberverse is also on Tubi and Pluto, both free streaming services.
I just learned this recently with all the drama around Nickelodeon, if a show is going to go 3 or more seasons and thus hit a certain episode count, for the third season they'll change the name to avoid having to pay royalties to the actors and writers. That's why Prime became Beast Hunters and Cyberverse had all those sub-names. Perhaps Earthspark is going to become Earthspark: rise of the combiners or something like that. Another thought, they have a LOT of well-known talent on the show now, and coming in season two, maybe it was just too much money to make.
I just learned this recently with all the drama around Nickelodeon, if a show is going to go 3 or more seasons and thus hit a certain episode count, for the third season they'll change the name to avoid having to pay royalties to the actors and writers. That's why Prime became Beast Hunters and Cyberverse had all those sub-names. Perhaps Earthspark is going to become Earthspark: rise of the combiners or something like that. Another thought, they have a LOT of well-known talent on the show now, and coming in season two, maybe it was just too much money to make.
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Comment by Sabrblade
May 15, 2024
But, neither Prime nor Cyberverse ever aired on Nickelodeon.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I just learned this recently with all the drama around Nickelodeon, if a show is going to go 3 or more seasons and thus hit a certain episode count, for the third season they'll change the name to avoid having to pay royalties to the actors and writers. That's why Prime became Beast Hunters and Cyberverse had all those sub-names.
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Comment by Quantum Surge
May 15, 2024
I'm not surprised by this series ending too soon if true but I'm not dancing on its grave either. I keep forgetting this series was a thing (especially since Skybound and ROTB got my interest more)
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
May 15, 2024
Kinda bummed if this is true, but not surprised, given how little it has been advertised and how scattered the releases have been
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Comment by Glyph
May 15, 2024
Not just Nickelodeon - this got some discussion around the WGA/SAG-AFTRA strikes, with Netflix being particularly called out at the time IIRC. Seems it's a known tactic by the streamers to get around production crew pay scaling in the standard contracts. (Not saying it's necessarily at issue here.)Sabrblade wrote:But, neither Prime nor Cyberverse ever aired on Nickelodeon.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I just learned this recently with all the drama around Nickelodeon, if a show is going to go 3 or more seasons...
