Transformers War for Cybertron: Earthrise New Line and First Figures Revealed #NYCC2019

I look at that Prime and that Grapple and just can't help but lament that this is what the original Classics toys from 2006 should have been like in the first place (knowing full well that the Hasbro team of that era would have never felt the same way), and that if they had, then we could now be getting something more innovative.

Basically, it feels like if the Classics toys had recreated the original character designs instead of making updated versions then the current toys wouldn't have to keep going back trying to recreate what the Classics toys opted not to do.

A few notes about the Micromasters:

- Big Daddy's buddy is Trip-Up, though it remains to be seen if he actually keeps the name
- Now we know the reason why "Irontread" is named as such: trademark nothing, the base is named Ironworks now. Coincidentally, this lines up with the BotCon 2012 Invasion story.

Definitely gonna try and get Ironworks and the Hot Rods. I'm content with my Henkei Convoy and RtS Solar Storm Grapple, so no need in getting the Earthrise ones.

wow, another "G1" Optimus Prime already! And this time with a better truck mode. (And a trailer. And the Matrix.) They left out the crotch unpainted again though, and the eyes are yellow.

I wanted a proper CHUG Prime and now they won't stop coming.

It's time they made an effort to hide his wheels in CHUG too, at least for one Prime figure.

And why the MP-10 style head again? They just used something like this for PotP & Siege. I think they should use the MP-44 sculpt for inspiration. (And while they're at it, I'd love a Starscream with a face-sculpt that does him justice, and a fun transformation for the canopy.)

Grapple looks great, too! Like a simplified version of MP-35 (but not too simple.)

I wish all this stuff came out like five or ten years ago.

BTW, you know who'd make a cool weaponiser or whatever's the next comparable thing?



Autobot X.

I dont need another optimus prime...
I dont need another optimus prime...
I dont need another optimus prime...

Danggit!

Grapple is a must get. I love tgat Ironworks matches Omega Supreme. Looks lime he has both the TR and Omega Supreme's connectors

Grapples truck front/torso wont really suit inferno so I'm hoping for retooling rather than repaint.

Ironworks...very brave trying to get a 'base' out of a deluxe sized figure (thought TR would have been a good lesson that they need to be Voyager at the min) but it looks good and definitely what I was wanting out of the line to give the micromasters some purpose, plus a robot mode to and still weaponiserish parts.

Primes Trailers looks small and not much for the buck in a leader class figure but definitely my first war for cybertron prime toy.

As for the toy line name, could be worse.

Oh hasbro u dirty bastards. Grapple is exactly what I wanted them to do with the character.

Earth prime... well ne makes siege prime completely redundant....

Ironworks is one of the cleverest updates of a g1 concept....

On the latest Twincast we speculated all kinds of ideas on what this Prime could be. Even the idea that he could be Siege Prime retooled with more Earth mode parts and a trailer add-on. At first glance that'swhat I thought this was, but upon closer inspection, I think it's a whole new mold!

We also kinda nailed it on Ironworks!
So Weaponizers have been traded up for Baseinizers? Fortinizers?
Whatever they are, count me in!

I hear what you're saying Sabrblade about these vs. Classics, but I'm no less excited. I think that Grapple looks pretty fun.
Hope we see more of the line by the end of the weekend.

Flashwave wrote:Grapple is a must get. I love tgat Ironworks matches Omega Supreme. Looks lime he has both the TR and Omega Supreme's connectors

Not too sure about TR: what look like TR connectors are actually halves of Omega's. TR connectors are the same throughout, but the halves are split between "male" (the "C-shaped" ones) and "female"

Prime's cab seems too big for the trailer or the trailer is too small

The optimus also come with moving finger(if you look at his hand you see a hinge)

Looks like Prime's front wheels end up on his lower back or backside, like the Studio OX model.

That leader Optimus is exciting! Look like a budget Masterpiece figure!

Seems like it begins with Siege Astrotrain, if you ask me.

Anyway, it looks like Leader Optimus may be my son's first "major" Transformers toy. I got him PotP Leader Optimus, but I felt like it was too complicated for him and thus it sits in my closet.

While I'm salty about the new Optimus Prime, Ironworks: oh man, this guy. This fucking guy. See this is the 'new stuff' I wanted to see and it follows in the footstep of giving a robot mode to Brunt. I love his chunky industrial look and the idea of deluxe class 'city bots' is pretty cool.

Lovin the new grapple, I always liked the g1 design of the head-in-a-box, so this is great to see, love the new weaponizers are bases, it's TR all over again, and I can't wait; be interesting to see if the random base builder parts can double as weapons for the bigger figures too

So the armageddon name was fake then, interesting. I would have thought we'd get earth at the end of the trilogy but I'm liking what I'm seeing, especially Ironworks, I love that idea and I'm wondering how those parts would look on other figures...

HasTak has been really stepping it up with the articulation.. a lot of these probably have the same articulation as the Shogo Hasui Masterpiece figures.

I hope that there is, at least, a mix between Earth and Cybertronian modes.

kinda just looks like they upscaled and retooled the voyager seige prime. fake cab front that turns into a backpack.

ZeroWolf wrote:So the armageddon name was fake then, interesting.

Or a preliminary name that was changed before finalization, like how "Titan Wars" and "Prime Wars" were changed to "Titans Return" and "Power of the Primes", respectively.

If you look close at the Ironworks pics he only has the new base connect that's on Omega Supremes thighs and for his connection ramps. And it's also on Primes new shield bit too. The micromaster base line was famous for, tons of ramps and it's cool to see... tons of ramps again lol.

Very nice. I like the new weapon additions for Optimus and Grapple.

Damn it, I'm running out of shelf space!

Dang it! I really wanted them to stay on Cybertron! I was loving the designs they had! these new guys are going to stick out now when placed with my siege figures. but,

-Prime: looks ok, but the head is terrible. Most likely a pass for me.

-Grapple: looks great, but I wish he was a modern crane truck and not so G1-y. I will be buying him.

-Ironworks: I really am liking this figure, but I did get my hopes up when i read that it could have been a code name for Ironfist. He is an instant buy.

-Mircomasters: They look nice, but I am getting sick of that same base mold they both use along with around 3 from the siege line. Will pick up if I see them in stores.

Overall, I really wish they would just stay on Cybertron since I don't want to buy the same figures all over again once they are slightly remolded to there earth modes.

I dont need another Optimus Prime
I dont need another Optimus Prime
I dont need a DANGIT

That is an oddly large opening between the trailer wheels. Probably a cost saving measure, but I would love ro see a Roller that goes in there.

Grapple is a must have

I love that Ironworks matches Omega Supreme. Lioks lime he has both the TR And Supreme track adapters? Whats the head? He sorta looks familiar?

And the crane piece would be a fantastic piece for a Hoist. Just saying.

Prime's shield is part of the ramp on the trailer.

Does Ironworks base mode still have the attack mode?

The Hot-Rod patrol looks to be reshells of the sports car patrol member with bad arms.

I'll skip any character who gets a 'rework' into an Earth mode (for consistency and wallet's sake) but Ironworks and Grapple are definitely on the list for me. Especially Ironworks, who while he looks great I fully expect to warm shelves like crazy so he shouldn't be too hard to get...

I'll be honest, as much as I'm glad for those of you that wanted this new Prime, I just can't get behind what they're doing here. It's basically them taking the MPs and downscaling them and simplifying them to fit a retail pricepoint. Grapple's a maybe, I like everything except the body, mostly because it's too G1-y to me (not that that's bad, just not my taste. I prefer a bit more dynamic designs compared to blocks). Ironworks is a buy though because he looks cool and the second I saw him I instantly thought about using Omega and Ironworks, in addition to any similar designs, as an industrial city where the micromasters live and work, separate to the ongoing Autobot and Decepticon war

It may just be the digital renders, but looks almost like more cell shading on Optimus & Grapple... Nothing in this really speaks to me except Ironworks. Always up for more bases, connectivity & Weaponizers. I'll quietly await the rest. Hopefully a sneak peak at the next Titan.

Give Wheeljack

Glad i skipped siege prime, this looks way better, grapple is a must, especially since i have no version of the character and ironworks lools very cool! Im looking forward to seeing a new wheeljack. The best one i have right now is the prime rid one and that's a bit outdayed at the moment.

optimus is definatly mostly new tooling, though it does look like it shares some transformation concepts with siege prime. grapple... just wow...




DAMN YOU HASBRO STOP! GIMME A BREAK PLEASE

I am already out of room and money

Earth... Already? Sigh

So much for all the goodwill and potential Siege garnered. Hopefully Part Three of the trilogy will be something interesting again that isn't the same old tired designs spat out again...

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just can't get behind what they're doing here. It's basically them taking the MPs and downscaling them and simplifying them to fit a retail pricepoint.

What's not to get behind? Is it the complexity of the transformation, or the redundancy of the figures?

With the notable and understandable exception of Springer, I've liked all of Siege's transformations and robot modes. The Autobot alt-modes are great. I made a decision a few years ago to stop collecting Masterpieces for a bunch of reasons, but the main one was price, and this is exactly what I've been looking for.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Earth... Already? Sigh

So much for all the goodwill and potential Siege garnered. Hopefully Part Three of the trilogy will be something interesting again that isn't the same old tired designs spat out again...

Nope. Just more GEEWUN forever and ever because Warden is allergic to anything not GEEWUN and because we still buy it anyway.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just can't get behind what they're doing here. It's basically them taking the MPs and downscaling them and simplifying them to fit a retail pricepoint.

What's not to get behind? Is it the complexity of the transformation, or the redundancy of the figures?

It's the fact that there's basically no innovation in terms of design. I just don't like the lack of new designs because part of what was fun about T30 and some of PW was the new designs that still had elements from the classic designs

TAKE MY MONEY

Transformers wiki on Twitter is saying ign got Big Daddy's name wrong as the trademark is unavailable. He is now Autobot Daddy-O

First an "armor up" Ultra Magnus from Siege, and now a Prime with a proper trailer from the new line. I'm liking WFC more and more. I skipped Siege Prime and SS Bumblebee Prime because I couldn't get past their arm kibble. This Prime looks like they fixed it and I'll pick him up, though I'm still disappointed they didn't fix his back flap.

As for Ironworks, I'm wondering if this will be a new trend: instead of vehicle it animal alt modes, industrial or building like transformers to fill out cities of the City Bots (Titans) to make bigger playsets. I would be all for it

Question: Is this thread going to be combined with the previous one we had before we knew the lines official name?

Anyway, it does seem kind of a downer, but expected. Still as Siege showed us, they will give us a few offerings outside of the 84-86 core group. The 2021 line will no doubt offer more from futuristic shows/lines like Victory.

There's only been a handful of reveals, while they don't exactly excite me, I'm sure Thursday morning there will be much more, plus the last wave reveals of Siege show that there is a lot of potential for this line (Snapdragon, the rest of the Autobot Targetmasters etc...)

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I just can't get behind what they're doing here. It's basically them taking the MPs and downscaling them and simplifying them to fit a retail pricepoint.

What's not to get behind? Is it the complexity of the transformation, or the redundancy of the figures?

It's the fact that there's basically no innovation in terms of design. I just don't like the lack of new designs because part of what was fun about T30 and some of PW was the new designs that still had elements from the classic designs

We got plenty of that before, with Classics, Universe 2008, and Generations up until Thrilling 30. "Innovation" in design of older characters. Classic/iconic features mixed with modern alt-modes and reinterpreted or stylized elements. It's only now that we're getting G1 done the way that many, many fans have been craving: a real update of the original G1 toys and cartoon character models with modern toy technology, creating figures that really capture the looks of the toys and cartoons that started the whole franchise. Yes, we had Masterpiece before, but this is a retail line that can put out more characters faster and costs the consumer significantly less money. Sabr said it earlier (possibly in another thread), but what many fans feel is that THIS is the way Classics should have been back in 2006. It's not more of the same to us, it's been a long time coming!

Don't know how I feel about Prime. I like Siege Prime, so I'll just see what other people say when they get him in-hand. Ironworks is an awesome idea and an instant buy for me. Grapple, on the other hand, never really clicked with me. I thought he was an okay character and never owned any of his figures, so I might not get him. That or I'll do a not-well-thought-out impulse buy if I see him.

Skritz wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Earth... Already? Sigh

So much for all the goodwill and potential Siege garnered. Hopefully Part Three of the trilogy will be something interesting again that isn't the same old tired designs spat out again...

Nope. Just more GEEWUN forever and ever because Warden is allergic to anything not GEEWUN and because we still buy it anyway.

Earth is, in terms of creativity, the bottom of the barrel when it comes to Transformers. By the context of the setting alone, I won't have any part in Earthrise. If I wanted to look at outdated planes, trucks and cars, Well, that is what MPs and Reissues are for...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Skritz wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Earth... Already? Sigh

So much for all the goodwill and potential Siege garnered. Hopefully Part Three of the trilogy will be something interesting again that isn't the same old tired designs spat out again...

Nope. Just more GEEWUN forever and ever because Warden is allergic to anything not GEEWUN and because we still buy it anyway.

Earth is, in terms of creativity, the bottom of the barrel when it comes to Transformers. By the context of the setting alone, I won't have any part in Earthrise. If I wanted to look at outdated planes, trucks and cars, Well, that is what MPs and Reissues are for...

I feel like the third part of the trilogy may have what you want, though we'll have to wait till this time next year to see if it pans out.

Why don't I just hand my checkbook over already?

I want all of that so far. ironworks is... damn, that's clever.

o.supreme wrote:Question: Is this thread going to be combined with the previous one we had before we knew the lines official name?

Actually the opposite, this thread was already split from the fan vote thread at its beginning. Give it a day or 2 before others realize that thread is specifically for the fan vote now and the next line thread is right here.

ZeroWolf wrote:I feel like the third part of the trilogy may have what you want, though we'll have to wait till this time next year to see if it pans out.

I think so too. The Tetrajets and Shockwave were such a huge step in the right direction. Alogside those, Jetfire and Omega Supreme being literally all you could ask for in a modern update of a classic figure. Meanwhile, Earthrise gives you 1984 Optimus Prime, 1985 Grapple and 1989 Micromasters (albeit upscaled, a bit). Figures that exist already, in multiple lines.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I feel like the third part of the trilogy may have what you want, though we'll have to wait till this time next year to see if it pans out.

I think so too. The Tetrajets and Shockwave were such a huge step in the right direction. Alogside those, Jetfire and Omega Supreme being literally all you could ask for in a modern update of a classic figure. Meanwhile, Earthrise gives you 1984 Optimus Prime, 1985 Grapple and 1989 Micromasters (albeit upscaled, a bit). Figures that exist already, in multiple lines.

Would be cool if the third part gave us "Tales of the unknown" themed stuff, such as "remember in beast wars we talked about rugby base? Well these are based off that" and "remember Velocitron? Think fast because here you go" and "remember kiss players? Well that's good and buried. But here is stuff based off Alternity" or even, "remember that one time that one background character that only appeared in one panel of that obscure comic mentioned that one planet that has never been mentioned again? Here is a whole wave for it." I'd like things we've never seen before, and maybe the Titan can be Majin Zarak and another Titan could be a Pirate ship whose base mode is a desert island... Someday

There are so many gaps in the lore of just about every series they could mine for something really good. That Transtech stuff HasTak never did anything official with. Likewise Machine Wars. The Megatron/Skywarp Triple Changer concept art? Do something with that!

I find it a little funny that it was brought up that this is what Classics should have been because that Optimus Prime looks to have the same basic transformation as Classics Optimus. It's the only way to get the truck front kibble to the back without going over the head like the Siege voyager. It's like they're actually redoing Classics with this. He sits down with his legs extended, spins at the pectorals, the head goes back, the arms do the G1 Prime thing then the back kibble unfolds and becomes the lower front and sides of the truck. The gas tanks then fold out from the thighs and the fists go into the forearms. There's also something that folds up and goes behind the matrix chamber and pecs but in front of the shoulder joints. The upper side panels and windows perhaps? It's difficult to tell from the truck mode pic as it doesn't show the hinge in the render.

Having the truck side/arm kibble on the back puts it in line with the KO Oversized Classics Prime that came out a year or two ago that moved said kibble to the back where it should've been.

What's weird though is that the front of the shins look like they're reused from the Siege voyager. It has what is the old trailer port on the outside of the left knee with the indent for it on the outside of the right knee as well as the effect part pegs. It also still looks to have the flaps on the knees as well as what was the pin hinge for the truck side flaps on the inside of the legs too. However the new trailer hitch is smack dab in the center of the legs cut in half so it's definitely not using the old port as those wheels are not switching to the other side of the legs as can be seen from the placement of that square hole between the wheels. It doesn't switch its placement between robot and truck modes as it would had the wheels switched sides this time.

So the feet, shins,and head? are reused.

I love how the Ironworks base has a robot mode now. It's one of the few G1 things I have left so I'm excited for an update. Grapple looks amazing. I can't wait to see the flood of Solar Storm Grappels for sale soon.

I wonder if the Micromasters still turn into guns.

However, I'm upset that they've moved onto Earth modes already. I was hoping for at least a few more Cybertronian molds. Especially if they're not doing the battle damage anymore. It makes me want to strip it off the other ones even more now.

It sucks that they never "finished" the seekers either. I wanted at least the Elites/Coneheads to go with the Aces, Rainmakers and Redwing. Then maybe the Welcoming Committee quartet as well. Seven seekers a year, that's a good number. The last year could've been the stragglers. Slipstream, Sandstorm, Air Warrior, G2 Ramjet, G2 Starscream, AM/SG Thundercracker and...black death Starscream?...Ghost Starscream?...Botcon Dirge?(assuming Dirge and Ramjet would've been retooled differently as they should)