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News Credits: 1 · by **njb902** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:39 pm

Hopefully this will this will kill the 2 3rd party ones. I can't wait to own it.

News Credits: 8 · by **Flashwave** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:07 pm

Well I like it, would free up the mold for Dreadwind and Treadshot, and a little more convienent helmet design. Want urther picures, at least the bot mode shoulders appear to integrate better than Silverbolt did at least...

by **Master Force Skyfire** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:51 pm

One way or another, I will own at least two of this figure. I still love my Classics Jetfire, but this Leader Class Generations is too awesome.

It looks like most of the jet mode folds up on to the back. That's okay, as long as it isn't too back-heavy to stand. I like the way they did the battle helmet in robot mode and I don't mind the fake jet nose as his chest, as long as there isn't excessive kibble that hinders poseability. It doesn't look like that is the case.

I want to see this with the boosters attached to his back. It looks like they are included there in the picture. I wonder if it has any other detachable armor pieces?

Anyway, can't wait -- will buy on sight!

by **EagleTron** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:27 pm

Yeah I'm starting to picture this epic battle between this Jetfire vs. My MP Thunder Cracker and maybe my Rotf Leader Starsream :michaelbay:

So far this year the figures that I'm buying for sure is Mp WheelJack, Leo Dux and most likely this.

The only deal breaker would be his feet. I hope his feet are not like the thruster feet on that classics voyager one which are not to good because the figure is not very stable standing. Its not a wobbler but its not the stabilist of figures. And given the leader size of this mold thruster feet would not be a good combination with that. But time will tell and for rite now this is on my to buy list.

by **TimothyR** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:47 pm

i'm still a little skeptical.. i hope it's real, it looks great.. and it's the perfect size for a classics display.

Mykltron wrote:Not cartoon accurate enough! Unless the two red cannon things clip together (no gap between them) on his back in robot mode...

you do understand that this is generations right?.. not G1 or masterpiece.. these are supposed to be updates of classic characters, not faithful G1 representations.

Deathscythetransform wrote:not bad but why would they bother making this guy when they already did anice voyager class in the classics line?

because the voyager sucks.. its legs are horrible and it likes to fall over too much.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:50 pm

TimothyR wrote:you do understand that this is generations right?.. not G1 or masterpiece.. these are supposed to be updates of classic characters, not faithful G1 representations.

Waspinator got to be show-accurate, and several others in the line are either game-accurate or comic-accurate. Being "Generations" doesn't really mean anything much anymore since the line keeps changing its rules and aesthetics.

by **SentinelA** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:42 pm

Better be more reasonable in production or I'll just have to stick with my Classic version.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:46 pm

I just noticed that, since this wave will contain new G1-based Jetfire and Megatron toys in a class called "Leader", this is sorta like a comeback of Milton Bradley's making Jetfire the Autobot Leader who opposed the Decepticons' Leader Megatron.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:57 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I just noticed that, since this wave will contain new G1-based Jetfire and Megatron toys in a class called "Leader", this is sorta like a comeback of Milton Bradley's making Jetfire the Autobot Leader who opposed the Decepticons' Leader Megatron.

Wasn't that only the case in the Netherlands tho, where the name "Optimus Prime" wasn't available for our beloved leader?

*EDIT* My bad, our case was Optimus Prime actually being called "Jetfire" in the comics.

News Credits: 1 · by **njb902** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:59 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I just noticed that, since this wave will contain new G1-based Jetfire and Megatron toys in a class called "Leader", this is sorta like a comeback of Milton Bradley's making Jetfire the Autobot Leader who opposed the Decepticons' Leader Megatron.

Wasn't that only the case in the Netherlands tho, where the name "Optimus Prime" wasn't available for our beloved leader?

What was named Optimus Prime that they couldn't use it?

News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:02 pm

Sabrblade wrote:

I was squinting at my computer monitor trying to read it with nothing making sense. Only about a minute later did I realise that none of that was in English (except the proper nouns of course).

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:05 pm

I looked into it deeper, and it turns out, that the G1 Optimus Prime toy could not be released in Europe by MB! Joustra's Diaclone line was the culprit, in which Diaclone's Battle Convoy (Optimus Prime's ancestor) was released. The same toy in two different lines was a no go, especially when it came to licensing (Joustra already had the licenses, Hasbro fished behind the net for Europe on this one)

And comic? It's Dutch! :DANCE:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:06 pm

It was mainland Europe in general, where the Jetfire toy was sold as the leader since MB didn't have the Optimus toy at first. Popular theory is due to rival company Joustra owning the EU rights to the Diaclone molds at first, only later allowing MB to sell the Diaclone-based TFs (including Optimus) in later waves.

The comic itself was published in German, Dutch, and Spanish versions.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:27 pm

The Tomy version will most likely sport a more cartoon like deco. Remember the henkei version?

On the 2006 mold, awesome as it was, it still beggars the imagination why Skyfire got to be a Voyager size and Powerglide an Ultra :???:

The result got him too small on the leg department with a too fat a body.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:30 pm

fenrir72 wrote:The Tomy version will most likely sport a more cartoon like deco. Remember the henkei version?

I considered that, but lately TakaraTomy seems to be going more for toy-accurate decos instead of show-accurate.

fenrir72 wrote:On the 2006 mold, awesome as it was, it still beggars the imagination why Skyfire got to be a Voyager size and Powerglide an Ultra

Simple. Classics and Universe were two separate toylines with different mindsets at each's time. For Powerglide, they wanted a more realistic size for the A-10 Thunderbolt, and simply weren't thinking about the Jetfire toy made two years earlier for another toyline.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:26 pm

And look how it turned up? I mean, if you want to sell a product, why risk a 2nd/3rd tier character when Jet/Skyfire, a more popular fig/character (I don't disparage the braggart that is Powerglide but between them, I choose the F14 over the A-10 Thunderbolt) would be an assured sale? Anyways, water under the bridge.

You have a point though, with the G1 toy motif but in Skyfire's case, they might go more via the henkei style of deco.

Either way................SOLD!

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:36 pm

fenrir72 wrote:And look how it turned up? I mean, if you want to sell a product, why risk a 2nd/3rd tier character when Jet/Skyfire, a more popular fig/character (I don't disparage the braggart that is Powerglide but between them, I choose the F14 over the A-10 Thunderbolt) would be an assured sale? Anyways, water under the bridge.

Yeah, it's cuz they already made a Jetfire toy (even if it would be smaller than the toy they were gonna make next at the time), so they went with someone they hadn't made yet: Powerglide.

fenrir72 wrote:You have a point though, with the G1 toy motif but in Skyfire's case, they might go more via the henkei style of deco.

Believe me, I'm hoping Takara goes back to doing show-accurate decos, as they could really do such wonders with this mold in show colors.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:46 pm

With that jet mode I'm wondering if this can even be released in Japan. It would be foolish if it couldn't be, but I suspect Bandai would take exception to that alt. It would be annoying if the Japanese version was not just repainted, but remolded, too.

Emerje

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:51 pm

Emerje wrote:With that jet mode I'm wondering if this can even be released in Japan. It would be foolish if it couldn't be, but I suspect Bandai would take exception to that alt. It would be annoying if the Japanese version was not just repainted, but remolded, too.

Emerje

Didn't stop Henkei! Henkei! Skyfire and Dark Skyfire from happening.

by **MINDVVIPE** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:53 pm

Seems too fake with the robot mode having a different looking cockpit and front end than the jet mode. I don't really want one that looks like a tomcat tho, as I want a huge jetfire that has more of a giant alien fightership look from G1 more.

News Credits: 10 · by **Trikeboy** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:57 pm

Jetfire is the best of both versions. I prefer the toy alt mode but prefer the cartoon robot mode. This is absolutely going in my collection. Hey Hasbro, do what you want with the kids movie line, just get us collectors this amazing leader class toy pronto.

News Credits: 1 · by **Sodan-1** » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:01 pm

Not sure what to make of that. It's a nice design but I'm still pretty enamoured with the Classics figure.

News Credits: 1 · by **TK415** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:22 am

Sabrblade wrote:I just noticed that, since this wave will contain new G1-based Jetfire and Megatron toys in a class called "Leader", this is sorta like a comeback of Milton Bradley's making Jetfire the Autobot Leader who opposed the Decepticons' Leader Megatron.

This is really cool. It is kind of like an alternative universe. I suppose fictionally it is an alternative universe. But it is interesting when it wasn't done purely to have an alternate universe. It was a different approach for necessary reasons. It is interesting to see how things could have been significantly different and to see the foundation that G1 laid down for the franchise.

News Credits: 1 · by **TK415** » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:23 am

Bummer.

Double post. This is my first double post. Guess my computer was running slower than usual, I figured that it didn't take the first time I pressed the submit button.