It could either be a glitch, a goof, or an accidental double-pressing of the Submit button.OptimalOptimus2 wrote:This is a double post. Can someone explain why I had double posts?
It could either be a glitch, a goof, or an accidental double-pressing of the Submit button.OptimalOptimus2 wrote:This is a double post. Can someone explain why I had double posts?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Rodimus Prime wrote:You can't make me disappear. I am not feet.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
According the greater Movie continuity of the IDW comics, all three of Arcee's components survived ROTF.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Technically speaking, only 2 Arcee's are confirmed dead in ROTF, although the last one might have been killed off in the comics or novels.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:According the greater Movie continuity of the IDW comics, all three of Arcee's components survived ROTF.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Technically speaking, only 2 Arcee's are confirmed dead in ROTF, although the last one might have been killed off in the comics or novels.
So did Ravage, even (though, in his case, he was resurrected).
John Barber took great pains to make the comics, movies, and novels all fit with each other together as coherently as possible, in turn also working to patch up as many contradictions between the films and between the films and the comics/novels as possible.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:According the greater Movie continuity of the IDW comics, all three of Arcee's components survived ROTF.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee? :-x
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Technically speaking, only 2 Arcee's are confirmed dead in ROTF, although the last one might have been killed off in the comics or novels.
So did Ravage, even (though, in his case, he was resurrected).
I have a question, though. Do the comics count as "canon" as far as the live-action movies are concerned? I mean, even the movies themselves tend to contradict one another in certain areas, and many time fans have to come up with their own theories for some of the plot points to make sense.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:John Barber took great pains to make the comics, movies, and novels all fit with each other together as coherently as possible, in turn also working to patch up as many contradictions between the films and between the films and the comics/novels as possible.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:According the greater Movie continuity of the IDW comics, all three of Arcee's components survived ROTF.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee? :-x
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Technically speaking, only 2 Arcee's are confirmed dead in ROTF, although the last one might have been killed off in the comics or novels.
So did Ravage, even (though, in his case, he was resurrected).
I have a question, though. Do the comics count as "canon" as far as the live-action movies are concerned? I mean, even the movies themselves tend to contradict one another in certain areas, and many time fans have to come up with their own theories for some of the plot points to make sense.
Then came Age of Extinction. >:oP
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:John Barber took great pains to make the comics, movies, and novels all fit with each other together as coherently as possible, in turn also working to patch up as many contradictions between the films and between the films and the comics/novels as possible.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:According the greater Movie continuity of the IDW comics, all three of Arcee's components survived ROTF.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee? :-x
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Technically speaking, only 2 Arcee's are confirmed dead in ROTF, although the last one might have been killed off in the comics or novels.
So did Ravage, even (though, in his case, he was resurrected).
I have a question, though. Do the comics count as "canon" as far as the live-action movies are concerned? I mean, even the movies themselves tend to contradict one another in certain areas, and many time fans have to come up with their own theories for some of the plot points to make sense.
Then came Age of Extinction. >:oP
LOL, I get what you mean!
Going into "fanon" territory here, but AOE doesn't necessarily have to contradict the first trilogy. The Creators could have simply designed the Allspark as a device to mass-manufacture TF's on Cybertron...basically an automated bot factory in a cube.
And folks who have read "Foundation" (I'm still working my way through the earlier Movieverse comics) have said that AOE doesn't quite contradict how that comic series had Sentinel discover an amnesiac Optimus hidden away by himself in the badlands of Cybertron.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Going into "fanon" territory here, but AOE doesn't necessarily have to contradict the first trilogy. The Creators could have simply designed the Allspark as a device to mass-manufacture TF's on Cybertron...basically an automated bot factory in a cube.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
SlyTF1 wrote:That's what I was thinking. Their role hasn't even been fully explained, yet.
Sabrblade wrote:And folks who have read "Foundation" (I'm still working my way through the earlier Movieverse comics) have said that AOE doesn't quite contradict how that comic series had Sentinel discover an amnesiac Optimus hidden away by himself in the badlands of Cybertron.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Going into "fanon" territory here, but AOE doesn't necessarily have to contradict the first trilogy. The Creators could have simply designed the Allspark as a device to mass-manufacture TF's on Cybertron...basically an automated bot factory in a cube.
Guess we'll have to wait for the next movie to fill in the blanks on the Creators, the Knights, and Optimus's relation to them, since IDW had confirmed at BotCon that there aren't any more movie comics coming from them at the moment.
Darkman20xx wrote:I've been reading thru pages and pages of posts about this movie and there are some points that I don't think anybody has hit on so only for that reason will I share. I for one was not a huge fan of this movie thinking it was just okay. What kills me is that when someone says that people come up with all sorts of defenses like "You just hate Michael Bay". I will say his success probably has a lot to do with why some people really dislike this movie. Armageddon is one of my favorite movies of all time. I thought the movie was beautifully done from story, to directed sequences, to special effects. There is no one out here that can say they didn't feel like letting loose a tear the first time they saw Harry tell his daughter goodbye before he pressed the button. Even the ending credits had feeling. Now the person responsible for that movie and Bad Boys 2 plus the first couple of Transformers Movies left us with AOE?
You can feel when someone is not passionate about a project and I felt he wasn't for this film as I remember hearing he did not technically want a TF4. It was never so blatant in any of the other films that the sole purpose of the movie was selling the toys. Again, I understand that was what the movies were meant for, but who else felt like Hasbro just had some Dinobot toys ready to go and told the movie makers "hey...we really need to get the Dinobots in there somewhere anywhere you can fit them in."? I want to see the franchise keep going but not if the movies are going to go down this road. I also am glad that some critics came out and called the movie out for not being the best of the bunch. With that hopefully the creators will raise their own level and put out the best TF movie ever to shut those same critics up next go round. Sequels should be raising the bar each time out. We all know it doesn't always end up that way. But why can't we say that on a TF board without getting flamed beyond belief?
Darkman20xx wrote:I've been reading thru pages and pages of posts about this movie and there are some points that I don't think anybody has hit on so only for that reason will I share. I for one was not a huge fan of this movie thinking it was just okay. What kills me is that when someone says that people come up with all sorts of defenses like "You just hate Michael Bay". I will say his success probably has a lot to do with why some people really dislike this movie. Armageddon is one of my favorite movies of all time. I thought the movie was beautifully done from story, to directed sequences, to special effects. There is no one out here that can say they didn't feel like letting loose a tear the first time they saw Harry tell his daughter goodbye before he pressed the button. Even the ending credits had feeling. Now the person responsible for that movie and Bad Boys 2 plus the first couple of Transformers Movies left us with AOE?
You can feel when someone is not passionate about a project and I felt he wasn't for this film as I remember hearing he did not technically want a TF4. It was never so blatant in any of the other films that the sole purpose of the movie was selling the toys. Again, I understand that was what the movies were meant for, but who else felt like Hasbro just had some Dinobot toys ready to go and told the movie makers "hey...we really need to get the Dinobots in there somewhere anywhere you can fit them in."? I want to see the franchise keep going but not if the movies are going to go down this road. I also am glad that some critics came out and called the movie out for not being the best of the bunch. With that hopefully the creators will raise their own level and put out the best TF movie ever to shut those same critics up next go round. Sequels should be raising the bar each time out. We all know it doesn't always end up that way. But why can't we say that on a TF board without getting flamed beyond belief?
RhA wrote:Darkman20xx wrote:I've been reading thru pages and pages of posts about this movie and there are some points that I don't think anybody has hit on so only for that reason will I share. I for one was not a huge fan of this movie thinking it was just okay. What kills me is that when someone says that people come up with all sorts of defenses like "You just hate Michael Bay". I will say his success probably has a lot to do with why some people really dislike this movie. Armageddon is one of my favorite movies of all time. I thought the movie was beautifully done from story, to directed sequences, to special effects. There is no one out here that can say they didn't feel like letting loose a tear the first time they saw Harry tell his daughter goodbye before he pressed the button. Even the ending credits had feeling. Now the person responsible for that movie and Bad Boys 2 plus the first couple of Transformers Movies left us with AOE?
You can feel when someone is not passionate about a project and I felt he wasn't for this film as I remember hearing he did not technically want a TF4. It was never so blatant in any of the other films that the sole purpose of the movie was selling the toys. Again, I understand that was what the movies were meant for, but who else felt like Hasbro just had some Dinobot toys ready to go and told the movie makers "hey...we really need to get the Dinobots in there somewhere anywhere you can fit them in."? I want to see the franchise keep going but not if the movies are going to go down this road. I also am glad that some critics came out and called the movie out for not being the best of the bunch. With that hopefully the creators will raise their own level and put out the best TF movie ever to shut those same critics up next go round. Sequels should be raising the bar each time out. We all know it doesn't always end up that way. But why can't we say that on a TF board without getting flamed beyond belief?
There's a few people here who will actually attack you for not liking the movie. Ignore them and presto! Trouble-free interwebs for you.
SlyTF1 wrote:Darkman20xx wrote:I've been reading thru pages and pages of posts about this movie and there are some points that I don't think anybody has hit on so only for that reason will I share. I for one was not a huge fan of this movie thinking it was just okay. What kills me is that when someone says that people come up with all sorts of defenses like "You just hate Michael Bay". I will say his success probably has a lot to do with why some people really dislike this movie. Armageddon is one of my favorite movies of all time. I thought the movie was beautifully done from story, to directed sequences, to special effects. There is no one out here that can say they didn't feel like letting loose a tear the first time they saw Harry tell his daughter goodbye before he pressed the button. Even the ending credits had feeling. Now the person responsible for that movie and Bad Boys 2 plus the first couple of Transformers Movies left us with AOE?
You can feel when someone is not passionate about a project and I felt he wasn't for this film as I remember hearing he did not technically want a TF4. It was never so blatant in any of the other films that the sole purpose of the movie was selling the toys. Again, I understand that was what the movies were meant for, but who else felt like Hasbro just had some Dinobot toys ready to go and told the movie makers "hey...we really need to get the Dinobots in there somewhere anywhere you can fit them in."? I want to see the franchise keep going but not if the movies are going to go down this road. I also am glad that some critics came out and called the movie out for not being the best of the bunch. With that hopefully the creators will raise their own level and put out the best TF movie ever to shut those same critics up next go round. Sequels should be raising the bar each time out. We all know it doesn't always end up that way. But why can't we say that on a TF board without getting flamed beyond belief?
AOE felt more "passionate," than an of the first 3.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Darkman20xx wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Darkman20xx wrote:I've been reading thru pages and pages of posts about this movie and there are some points that I don't think anybody has hit on so only for that reason will I share. I for one was not a huge fan of this movie thinking it was just okay. What kills me is that when someone says that people come up with all sorts of defenses like "You just hate Michael Bay". I will say his success probably has a lot to do with why some people really dislike this movie. Armageddon is one of my favorite movies of all time. I thought the movie was beautifully done from story, to directed sequences, to special effects. There is no one out here that can say they didn't feel like letting loose a tear the first time they saw Harry tell his daughter goodbye before he pressed the button. Even the ending credits had feeling. Now the person responsible for that movie and Bad Boys 2 plus the first couple of Transformers Movies left us with AOE?
You can feel when someone is not passionate about a project and I felt he wasn't for this film as I remember hearing he did not technically want a TF4. It was never so blatant in any of the other films that the sole purpose of the movie was selling the toys. Again, I understand that was what the movies were meant for, but who else felt like Hasbro just had some Dinobot toys ready to go and told the movie makers "hey...we really need to get the Dinobots in there somewhere anywhere you can fit them in."? I want to see the franchise keep going but not if the movies are going to go down this road. I also am glad that some critics came out and called the movie out for not being the best of the bunch. With that hopefully the creators will raise their own level and put out the best TF movie ever to shut those same critics up next go round. Sequels should be raising the bar each time out. We all know it doesn't always end up that way. But why can't we say that on a TF board without getting flamed beyond belief?
AOE felt more "passionate," than an of the first 3.
Granted your opinion. To me it felt like something that was rushed out to make sure we get a toyline out by Memorial Day and make sure the car makers got their vehicles some light in the film.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote: The good news is, Ehren Kruger is a TF fan, unlike O&K.
Rodimus Prime wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote: The good news is, Ehren Kruger is a TF fan, unlike O&K.
I wish his writing would show it a little more. I admit he is an improvement over Orci and Kurtzman by a LOT, but he still needs to tighten up his story some. Also, whatever happened to John Rogers, the guy who helped write the first film? Was he there to just get Orci and Kurtzman started? He wasn't involved in RoTF at all, and the difference is obvious. Yeah, the writers' strike also had something to do with that, but still, Orci and Kurtzman were a detriment to Bayverse.
Skywarp64 wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Holy crap I completely forgot Arcee already exists in the Bayverse.
Just have her get another new body. She's already had two (hr Movie 1 toy body and her ROTF triplets body).ZeroWolf wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:So not Springer and Arcee?
Well Arcee died in ROTF and I didn't include Springer because the Autobots would have too many characters. Nine Autobots, Dinobots, and a triple changer would be too overpowering in the eyes of Hollywood directors.
Holy crap I completely forgot Arcee already exists in the Bayverse.
Easily done, I think they're only named once on screen.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Autobot032 wrote: It's made them mad enough that the film series has borrowed from past storylines as it already has, but something like that? A straight up ripoff? Oh, I think that'd get people upset.
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cruizerdave wrote:Autobot032 wrote: It's made them mad enough that the film series has borrowed from past storylines as it already has, but something like that? A straight up ripoff? Oh, I think that'd get people upset.
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Well, lets see.
First one, a Cybertronian artifact is hidden in the Earth's past, there's a government conspiracy, and in the final act it becomes a key factor in a drawn out action scene. Also, Optimus laments Megatron dying.
Second one, a Cybertronian artifact is hidden in Earth's past, there's a government conspiracy, and in the final act it becomes a key factor in a drawn out action scene. Also, Optimus ruthlessly kills a Decepticon that poses no threat to anyone.
Third one, a Cybertronian artifact is hidden on the moon, there's a government conspiracy, and in the the final act it becomes a key factor in a drawn out action scene. Also, Optimus ruthlessly kills a Megatron after he poses no threat to anyone.
RhA wrote:
Cleary, Bayverse Optimus is no saint. But Megatron is very much harmfull to humans, just not at the moment he got his spine removed. We was plotting to be a threat again at that time.
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