I'm not a G1 fan.Sabrblade wrote:FWIW, G1 Optimus and the G1 cartoon are overrated.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Hmm, well, those could get pretty graphic and bloody too, but then that's what a lot of those events' spectators went there to see (as sickminded as that sounds), so the waters might be a bit muddied (or bloodied ) on that one.ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair sarblade what about the gladiator battles of Rome? Do they count.It strikes me as though these films are afraid of seeming even remotely like something for kids or nerds, trying to be as dark and edgy as they can get, like an insecure male teenager who arbitrarily condemns anything cute or sillyZeroWolf wrote:However you are right, which was a point I was trying to make last page. Kids are the target market, for the entire brand with some exceptions. Hence why the new toon is aimed at a lower crowd, some of which will stay with the brand for life. Again, I point out that the perfect movie will never be made, as no one will be able to agree what the perfect movie is!
as a shallow means to assert his manhood and "maturity".
It may be because of the trend in movies was 'dark is cool' at the time, Batman Begins had successfully restarted the movie franchise with it's dark realism (not a fan of this however), so it wouldn't surprise me if that trend had an impact on how transformers developed. Could also explain why prime himself had such a darker personality (although I don't want to open that can of worms again, my take is that I can separate him from other primes but I wouldn't have him as a leader, there is too much difference between what he says and does)
Anyway, I'll second the transformers are for kids sentiment, but once you make peace with it, you can really start to enjoy yourself, and enjoying it with the true target audience is the best feeling of all
Also Sub-Prime two things:
1) kids are just as much fans of TF as us, afterall we were once in the same position as them, how would you have felt if an adult came over to you and said you weren't as big as a fan then him/her?
2) Pixar rock, they know how to tell a story and get emotion out of it, like the Toy Story trilogy and up (especially the beginning of Up), sure Pixar do fall down, but they're only human.
Now though I realize what kind of TF movie I would like to see, a movie I can watch safely with my two boys when they are old enough. A TF movie that can cross generations. Of course I have no idea how to achieve this but it should be possible, not that it would happen I think
If they're trying to sell children's toys through media, though, then there ought to be some high regard towards that audience of consumer since they're the ones that the products are being marketed to.Sub-Prime wrote:The problem with what you are saying is that Transformers came out in 84'. If a child was watching TF back then what age category would they be in? Obviously not 5-15 years old. That's like saying every cartoon/comic should be kid first like Marvel/DC products.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Thor: The Dark World ended with just that, Loki on the throne of Asgard.Sub-Prime wrote:When the villain reigns supreme at the end is when I will consider that something "different".
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:If they're trying to sell children's toys through media, though, then there ought to be some high regard towards that audience of consumer since they're the ones that the products are being marketed to.Sub-Prime wrote:The problem with what you are saying is that Transformers came out in 84'. If a child was watching TF back then what age category would they be in? Obviously not 5-15 years old. That's like saying every cartoon/comic should be kid first like Marvel/DC products.
Sub-Prime wrote:The funny thing about Optimus vs Bruce Wayne is that in the 4th TF film Optimus's dark side was warranted. But Bruce Wayne was the same way for 3 movies straight. His parents died like 20 something years ago and he was just a depressing individual because of it. I can understand maybe one of the movies being that way but all 3 was depressing to watch. Another thing people complain about is TF films having the same structure yet the same folks never notice the same structure in every single hero-type film. We should all know how a hero type movie will end by now. When the villain reigns supreme at the end is when I will consider that something "different".
Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.
Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.
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Can't be done. IDW holds the license to Transformers comics and they're a competitor to Marvel Comics, who owns Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios seems to only be able to make films based on media owned by Marvel, and Transformers isn't one of those properties. And the Paramount owns the rights to the Transformers movie series.OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Now this is just a thought, but I think that the Transformers films should be in the hands of Marvel Studios.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.
Well, okay, some might like them, but it's the standard figures that are aimed at the big kid crowd.Burn wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.
My nephew does. So this means one of two things, you're out of touch with what kids like these days, or my nephew is an idiot.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Cool. Sounds like a great kid.Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.
I actually think my six year old is a bigger fan than me because he loves everything TF, even the stuff I'm not into he seems to love. G1,G2, Rescue Bots, Beast Wars, Prime, Movies, even Energon, he literally can't get enough.
Burn wrote:MightyMagnus78 wrote:Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.
I actually think my six year old is a bigger fan than me because he loves everything TF, even the stuff I'm not into he seems to love. G1,G2, Rescue Bots, Beast Wars, Prime, Movies, even Energon, he literally can't get enough.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't ... as adults we just have other priorities and worries, kids don't. They can just be kids and enjoy the stuff more than us.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Can't be done. IDW holds the license to Transformers comics and they're a competitor to Marvel Comics, who owns Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios seems to only be able to make films based on media owned by Marvel, and Transformers isn't one of those properties. And the Paramount owns the rights to the Transformers movie series.OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Now this is just a thought, but I think that the Transformers films should be in the hands of Marvel Studios.
But that isn't to say that the writers/directors that Marvel Studios has hired to make the Marvel movies are out of the question.
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