The Energon Pub

by **chivesbot20** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:23 pm

Just because optimus is not the G1 fanatics favorite character in the movies just because bay optimus isnt like G1.... it doesnt mean you cant like him. Honestly maturity is a perfect word. Just because YOU G1 fans want him to be that way he isnt. Accept that. Most movie fans actually accept G1 like me,but its not the other way around.

by **chivesbot20** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:23 pm

Just because optimus is not the G1 fanatics favorite character in the movies just because bay optimus isnt like G1.... it doesnt mean you cant like him. Honestly maturity is a perfect word. Just because YOU G1 fans want him to be that way he isnt. Accept that. Most movie fans actually accept G1 like me,but its not the other way around.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:26 pm

I repeat:

Sabrblade wrote:FWIW, G1 Optimus and the G1 cartoon are overrated.

I'm not a G1 fan.

by **chivesbot20** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:28 pm

Im aiming this to all of those who have disrespected the movie franchise and even me for enjoying it.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:40 pm

I'm not a G1 lover either I much prefer Animated or Beast Wars. Like I said in my post, I explained why I'm not keen on movie prime. You can't force people to like a character.

by **Sub-Prime** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:53 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair sarblade what about the gladiator battles of Rome? Do they count.
Hmm, well, those could get pretty graphic and bloody too, but then that's what a lot of those events' spectators went there to see (as sickminded as that sounds), so the waters might be a bit muddied (or bloodied ) on that one.

ZeroWolf wrote:However you are right, which was a point I was trying to make last page. Kids are the target market, for the entire brand with some exceptions. Hence why the new toon is aimed at a lower crowd, some of which will stay with the brand for life. Again, I point out that the perfect movie will never be made, as no one will be able to agree what the perfect movie is!
It strikes me as though these films are afraid of seeming even remotely like something for kids or nerds, trying to be as dark and edgy as they can get, like an insecure male teenager who arbitrarily condemns anything cute or silly
as a shallow means to assert his manhood and "maturity".

It may be because of the trend in movies was 'dark is cool' at the time, Batman Begins had successfully restarted the movie franchise with it's dark realism (not a fan of this however), so it wouldn't surprise me if that trend had an impact on how transformers developed. Could also explain why prime himself had such a darker personality (although I don't want to open that can of worms again, my take is that I can separate him from other primes but I wouldn't have him as a leader, there is too much difference between what he says and does)

Anyway, I'll second the transformers are for kids sentiment, but once you make peace with it, you can really start to enjoy yourself, and enjoying it with the true target audience is the best feeling of all

Also Sub-Prime two things:
1) kids are just as much fans of TF as us, afterall we were once in the same position as them, how would you have felt if an adult came over to you and said you weren't as big as a fan then him/her?

2) Pixar rock, they know how to tell a story and get emotion out of it, like the Toy Story trilogy and up (especially the beginning of Up), sure Pixar do fall down, but they're only human.

Now though I realize what kind of TF movie I would like to see, a movie I can watch safely with my two boys when they are old enough. A TF movie that can cross generations. Of course I have no idea how to achieve this but it should be possible, not that it would happen I think

The problem with what you are saying is that Transformers came out in 84'. If a child was watching TF back then what age category would they be in? Obviously not 5-15 years old. That's like saying every cartoon/comic should be kid first like Marvel/DC products.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:08 pm

Sub-Prime wrote:The problem with what you are saying is that Transformers came out in 84'. If a child was watching TF back then what age category would they be in? Obviously not 5-15 years old. That's like saying every cartoon/comic should be kid first like Marvel/DC products.

If they're trying to sell children's toys through media, though, then there ought to be some high regard towards that audience of consumer since they're the ones that the products are being marketed to.

by **Sub-Prime** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:12 pm

The funny thing about Optimus vs Bruce Wayne is that in the 4th TF film Optimus's dark side was warranted. But Bruce Wayne was the same way for 3 movies straight. His parents died like 20 something years ago and he was just a depressing individual because of it. I can understand maybe one of the movies being that way but all 3 was depressing to watch. Another thing people complain about is TF films having the same structure yet the same folks never notice the same structure in every single hero-type film. We should all know how a hero type movie will end by now. When the villain reigns supreme at the end is when I will consider that something "different".

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:19 pm

Sub-Prime wrote:When the villain reigns supreme at the end is when I will consider that something "different".

Thor: The Dark World ended with just that, Loki on the throne of Asgard.

by **Sub-Prime** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:19 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:The problem with what you are saying is that Transformers came out in 84'. If a child was watching TF back then what age category would they be in? Obviously not 5-15 years old. That's like saying every cartoon/comic should be kid first like Marvel/DC products.
If they're trying to sell children's toys through media, though, then there ought to be some high regard towards that audience of consumer since they're the ones that the products are being marketed to.

A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids. If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them. But I will not spend money on a kid-bias TF movie ever.

Website · by **Fires_Of_Inferno** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:20 pm

Sub-Prime wrote:The funny thing about Optimus vs Bruce Wayne is that in the 4th TF film Optimus's dark side was warranted. But Bruce Wayne was the same way for 3 movies straight. His parents died like 20 something years ago and he was just a depressing individual because of it. I can understand maybe one of the movies being that way but all 3 was depressing to watch. Another thing people complain about is TF films having the same structure yet the same folks never notice the same structure in every single hero-type film. We should all know how a hero type movie will end by now. When the villain reigns supreme at the end is when I will consider that something "different".

I'm also a fan of The Empire Strikes Back!

Seriously though, I agree with you there. If you're starting a movie franchise, the core plot of the story needs to be different, and have different outcomes. It can't be the same all the time. So far all the Transformers movies have been "get the magical thing to the place". I mean, I know it's not exactly the main focus of the film (the main focus is brainless action, which I love), but I would like a little variation of that. I mean, what would be wrong with a good old fashioned alien invasion style Transformer movie? No magical equipment involved!

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:24 pm

Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.

Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.

Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.

Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:59 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.
Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.

Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.
Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).

Exactly, the bigger toys were wanted more by the kids, by your reasoning Sub Prime no kid ever got the zords from the power ranger toy lines. Bigger transformers are perfect fodder as gifts be it Christmas,birthday or otherwise.

Also why did you bring up the original ages of kids watching TF ? My brother and his friends were 8-9 when it first aired so I don't see what that has to do with anything.

I mean whats wrong with a family movie that doesn't treat kids like idiots when it comes to the plot and has things in it for adults to relate to and enjoy? Again I bring up Pixars Toy Story trilogy.

News Credits: 13 · by **OptimalOptimus2** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:06 pm

Now this is just a thought, but I think that the Transformers films should be in the hands of Marvel Studios.

Now before any of you throw out any mean, nasty comments I just want to say this. Marvel Comics published the first Transformers comics. There were over 200 issues in the U.S. and almost 400 in the U.K. When I think of those comics, I also think of the movies. Marvel Studios has recently gave us Captain America: The Winter Soldier, which is an awesome movie in my opinion and then they will bring us Guardians of the Galaxy, which looks like it'll be a spectacular film. Marvel Studios find awesome directors that make awesome films and I think they would know who to direct the Transformers movies. Not a guy who directs movies as an excuse for blowing things up.
To get to the point so the post won't be an argumentative essay, I believe that Marvel Studios should have been the production company for the Transformers films, not Paramount Pictures. If this was done, Transformers would have increased its popularity among children.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:11 pm

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Now this is just a thought, but I think that the Transformers films should be in the hands of Marvel Studios.

Can't be done. IDW holds the license to Transformers comics and they're a competitor to Marvel Comics, who owns Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios seems to only be able to make films based on media owned by Marvel, and Transformers isn't one of those properties. And the Paramount owns the rights to the Transformers movie series.

But that isn't to say that the writers/directors that Marvel Studios has hired to make the Marvel movies are out of the question.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:32 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.
Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.

Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.
Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).

My nephew does. So this means one of two things, you're out of touch with what kids like these days, or my nephew is an idiot.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:38 pm

Burn wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:A good portion of the TF toys is catered to both adults and kids. How many parents buy a $45 leader class toy for their kids? They might buy the $5-10 toys at best for most kids.
Leader class and bigger toys existed before the movies did, even before the era of the Collector-aimed TF toys having such prominence.

Sub-Prime wrote:If the kids want to watch a kiddy TF show there is rescue bots for them.
Maybe if they're toddlers or like it enough to want to watch it, but no grade-to-middle schooler is gonna wanna play with Rescue Bots toys (unless they're the action figures, but those don't transform so maybe not).

My nephew does. So this means one of two things, you're out of touch with what kids like these days, or my nephew is an idiot.

Well, okay, some might like them, but it's the standard figures that are aimed at the big kid crowd.

How old's your nephew, if I may ask?

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:53 pm

He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:05 pm

Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.

Cool. Sounds like a great kid.

Sadly though, in my experiences, it was around that age when other kids I knew were trying to move away from childish things and move on to things that were "cooler" and "not for babies", which is why I figured grade-to-middle schoolers wouldn't be that attracted to Rescue Bots toys.

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:05 pm

Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.

I actually think my six year old is a bigger fan than me because he loves everything TF, even the stuff I'm not into he seems to love. G1,G2, Rescue Bots, Beast Wars, Prime, Movies, even Energon, he literally can't get enough.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:07 pm

MightyMagnus78 wrote:
Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.

I actually think my six year old is a bigger fan than me because he loves everything TF, even the stuff I'm not into he seems to love. G1,G2, Rescue Bots, Beast Wars, Prime, Movies, even Energon, he literally can't get enough.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't ... as adults we just have other priorities and worries, kids don't. They can just be kids and enjoy the stuff more than us.

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:09 pm

Burn wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:
Burn wrote:He's eight. Big Transformer fan (probably my fault), loves Rescue Bots (then again, so do I), loved Prime, loves the movies. Think he's slowly swayed from being a Bumblebee fan to a Optimus Prime fan.

I actually think my six year old is a bigger fan than me because he loves everything TF, even the stuff I'm not into he seems to love. G1,G2, Rescue Bots, Beast Wars, Prime, Movies, even Energon, he literally can't get enough.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't ... as adults we just have other priorities and worries, kids don't. They can just be kids and enjoy the stuff more than us.

Sad, but probably true.

Edit: I also think as adults we are just more cynical and prone to prejudice.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:16 pm

I remember as a kid (and even as a preteen) unquestionably loving G1, RiD, Armada, and Energon, failing to view any in an objective manner and not recognizing most things like animation errors, some continuity errors, acting quality, and other questionable things.

But that isn't to say I can't still find some things that are likable or charming in each of them (though it's especially tricky in Energon's case).

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:18 pm

Anyway AOE, saw it for the first time tonight, think it was just completely amazeballs and can't wait to see it again. That is all. :michaelbay:

News Credits: 13 · by **OptimalOptimus2** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:05 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Now this is just a thought, but I think that the Transformers films should be in the hands of Marvel Studios.
Can't be done. IDW holds the license to Transformers comics and they're a competitor to Marvel Comics, who owns Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios seems to only be able to make films based on media owned by Marvel, and Transformers isn't one of those properties. And the Paramount owns the rights to the Transformers movie series.

But that isn't to say that the writers/directors that Marvel Studios has hired to make the Marvel movies are out of the question.

Well it was just a thought. I would really love to see the Transformers meeting the Avengers. :michaelbay: