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Sabrblade wrote:You also have to consider that you are Transformers savvy. You're used to this kind of TF stuff having been accustomed to it by external fiction and are more familiar with it as a more-than-casual fan. Ordinary non-fan moviegoers and critics, however, aren't as well versed in all this as we are, so it's not that surprising for any of them to get confused by or lost in all the stuff going on in this movie, and there is, without question, a LOT that goes on in this movie.SlyTF1 wrote:Saw it for the fifth time, yesterday. I actually kind of felt its length, this time. I'm still glad it's almost 3 hours long, though. I now, however can see how some people might have gotten confused by all that was going on. But, that's still no excuse to stop paying attention.
An example of something from one of the previous films that we TF fans are familiar with and have come to accept, but that non-fans aren't familiar with and weren't so accepting toward, was the scene from ROTF that many non-fans have dubbed "the Robot Heaven scene" in ROTF. Since we fans have had the concept of a Transformers afterlife introduced to us prior to these films, beginning with the Beast Machines cartoon in 2000, we were more familiar with it and could accept that scene better since we could recognize what was going on. But to everyone else, it was something that had no lead up, no explanation, no rationality for why the very idea of it even exists presented to them by the movie, and thus was met with far less-than-friendly reception. After all, to the average non-fan, who would ever even consider that these inhuman robots would have their own equivalent of Heaven? The very idea would easily be viewed as nonsense to those who aren't into the greater lore like us fans, and who instead only see the TFs as fully secular alien robots with no cosmology.
Simple put, we fans who are Transformers savvy can and tend to follow the content of these films better than the less experienced non-fans. And if non-fans are having as much difficulty at keeping up with and understanding the content of these films as there seem to be, including those who do pay full attention when watching the films, then the fault would lie with the films for not being as understandable as they ought to be for the casual non-fan audiences, since it is the non-fan masses that these films are trying to appeal to.
Slashercon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You also have to consider that you are Transformers savvy. You're used to this kind of TF stuff having been accustomed to it by external fiction and are more familiar with it as a more-than-casual fan. Ordinary non-fan moviegoers and critics, however, aren't as well versed in all this as we are, so it's not that surprising for any of them to get confused by or lost in all the stuff going on in this movie, and there is, without question, a LOT that goes on in this movie.SlyTF1 wrote:Saw it for the fifth time, yesterday. I actually kind of felt its length, this time. I'm still glad it's almost 3 hours long, though. I now, however can see how some people might have gotten confused by all that was going on. But, that's still no excuse to stop paying attention.
An example of something from one of the previous films that we TF fans are familiar with and have come to accept, but that non-fans aren't familiar with and weren't so accepting toward, was the scene from ROTF that many non-fans have dubbed "the Robot Heaven scene" in ROTF. Since we fans have had the concept of a Transformers afterlife introduced to us prior to these films, beginning with the Beast Machines cartoon in 2000, we were more familiar with it and could accept that scene better since we could recognize what was going on. But to everyone else, it was something that had no lead up, no explanation, no rationality for why the very idea of it even exists presented to them by the movie, and thus was met with far less-than-friendly reception. After all, to the average non-fan, who would ever even consider that these inhuman robots would have their own equivalent of Heaven? The very idea would easily be viewed as nonsense to those who aren't into the greater lore like us fans, and who instead only see the TFs as fully secular alien robots with no cosmology.
Simple put, we fans who are Transformers savvy can and tend to follow the content of these films better than the less experienced non-fans. And if non-fans are having as much difficulty at keeping up with and understanding the content of these films as there seem to be, including those who do pay full attention when watching the films, then the fault would lie with the films for not being as understandable as they ought to be for the casual non-fan audiences, since it is the non-fan masses that these films are trying to appeal to.
A completely reasonable response. Remember everyone...consider what everyone else may view depending on multiple variables and don't be so quick to judge others based on their opinions.
No they shouldn't. No movie should ever require a person to do research to prepare for watching it. That would be ridiculous. It's a movie, a leisure activity, not a test.SlyTF1 wrote:Well, they should take the time to research.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:You also have to consider that you are Transformers savvy. You're used to this kind of TF stuff having been accustomed to it by external fiction and are more familiar with it as a more-than-casual fan. Ordinary non-fan moviegoers and critics, however, aren't as well versed in all this as we are, so it's not that surprising for any of them to get confused by or lost in all the stuff going on in this movie, and there is, without question, a LOT that goes on in this movie.SlyTF1 wrote:Saw it for the fifth time, yesterday. I actually kind of felt its length, this time. I'm still glad it's almost 3 hours long, though. I now, however can see how some people might have gotten confused by all that was going on. But, that's still no excuse to stop paying attention.
An example of something from one of the previous films that we TF fans are familiar with and have come to accept, but that non-fans aren't familiar with and weren't so accepting toward, was the scene from ROTF that many non-fans have dubbed "the Robot Heaven scene" in ROTF. Since we fans have had the concept of a Transformers afterlife introduced to us prior to these films, beginning with the Beast Machines cartoon in 2000, we were more familiar with it and could accept that scene better since we could recognize what was going on. But to everyone else, it was something that had no lead up, no explanation, no rationality for why the very idea of it even exists presented to them by the movie, and thus was met with far less-than-friendly reception. After all, to the average non-fan, who would ever even consider that these inhuman robots would have their own equivalent of Heaven? The very idea would easily be viewed as nonsense to those who aren't into the greater lore like us fans, and who instead only see the TFs as fully secular alien robots with no cosmology.
Simple put, we fans who are Transformers savvy can and tend to follow the content of these films better than the less experienced non-fans. And if non-fans are having as much difficulty at keeping up with and understanding the content of these films as there seem to be, including those who do pay full attention when watching the films, then the fault would lie with the films for not being as understandable as they ought to be for the casual non-fan audiences, since it is the non-fan masses that these films are trying to appeal to.
To be fair, it probably would have cost a bit more to put the swords back onto him without him doing so himself first, so the less there is to animate on the CG model, the better financial-wise.SlyTF1 wrote:Did anyone else notice how after Drift threw his sword, it was gone for the rest of the movie? I liked that. It reminded me of how Ironhide dropped his guns in ROTF and they were gone for the rest of the movie and in DOTM.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:To be fair, it probably would have cost a bit more to put the swords back onto him without him doing so himself first, so the less there is to animate on the CG model, the better financial-wise.SlyTF1 wrote:Did anyone else notice how after Drift threw his sword, it was gone for the rest of the movie? I liked that. It reminded me of how Ironhide dropped his guns in ROTF and they were gone for the rest of the movie and in DOTM.
The Michael Bay film is the second picture in the giant robots franchise to hit those lofty heights, after 2009’s “Transformers: Dark of the Moon.” The latest “Transformers” was propelled by a record-breaking reception in China, where the film has earned north of $300 million, a new high-water mark for the world’s second-largest movie market. Its cumulative total includes $763.8 million internationally and $241.2 million at the domestic box office.
Rodimus Prime wrote:You can't make me disappear. I am not feet.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:And this is a surprise?
Yeah, ROTF came out in 2009.TheVenocWarlord wrote:Uhhh, didn't DotM come out in 2011?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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