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-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

Um... what? Are you seriously saying that people have no right to decide what they're willing to pay for an item?

I'm cheap and like to buy figures clearance, but price doesn't influence my liking of a figure.

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

No not cheap

some of us do collect other lines

So we can't allways go on a spending spree when we have other things we want

Hell Star Wars is coming out with tons of new things in November along with Transformers

Who can afford everyhting when there are bills,Gas and food to pay for also

I will add others have kids and can't allways afford everything either

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

Most of those coments come from Europe, cos we pay duble ofwhat you pay.
And if a toy isn't worthwhat thy want in USd for it it is just a rip off in Europe!

So just stop deciding that were cheap just cos we're not willing to spend duble the price on a fig then you!

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

megatroptimus wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Most of those coments come from Europe!

No, most of those comments come from American fans.

Well that just shows you don't read the ODB!

That is a fair point, DM - we do wind up paying double US prices for our stuff. I'd be happy to pay $40 for a Leader-class movie Prime (assuming I had the cash in the first place), but at retail here I'd have to pay £40, which translated works out at $80.

And also, bear in mind that the people saying this are probably being selective about what toys they're talking about. Personally, for instance, I happly shelled out my $80 equivalent for Cybertron Prime. The corresponding Megatron fig... I quite liked it, but not enough to justify that much outlay. If it had come down a bit, maybe I would have snagged one. As was, it didn't, so I didn't.

I'd have grabbed the entire movie line by now if they were a couple of quid each, but they're not. Since I can't afford them, I'm not getting them. Simple as.

And sometimes, a fig at a certain price just doesn't seem as good as another fig at the same price. Would you want to pay the same amount for two items when you feel that one if them isn't worth as much, be it poorer quality, or a poorer design?

It all comes down to your personal sense of value, and to your financial situation.

megatroptimus wrote:

Sledge wrote:Um... what? Are you seriously saying that people have no right to decide what they're willing to pay for an item?

No, I'm saying that people love to play the downvalue game to excuse why they're cheap. Most reasons given to downvalue the toys are totally BS.

I know some are educated buyers, but given all the mean comments I read on various boards, it gives the impression that several are just plain cheap.

What's wrong with wanting to keep some of your money for other things?
Not all of us live in solid gold houses.

Ramrider wrote:That is a fair point, DM - we do wind up paying double US prices for our stuff. I'd be happy to pay $40 for a Leader-class movie Prime (assuming I had the cash in the first place), but at retail here I'd have to pay £40, which translated works out at $80.

And also, bear in mind that the people saying this are probably being selective about what toys they're talking about. Personally, for instance, I happly shelled out my $80 equivalent for Cybertron Prime. The corresponding Megatron fig... I quite liked it, but not enough to justify that much outlay. If it had come down a bit, maybe I would have snagged one. As was, it didn't, so I didn't.

I'd have grabbed the entire movie line by now if they were a couple of quid each, but they're not. Since I can't afford them, I'm not getting them. Simple as.

And sometimes, a fig at a certain price just doesn't seem as good as another fig at the same price. Would you want to pay the same amount for two items when you feel that one if them isn't worth as much, be it poorer quality, or a poorer design?

It all comes down to your personal sense of value, and to your financial situation.

QFT.

I still don't really understand the point megatroptimus is making. Surely most people who don't have unlimited funds look at the price of something and decide if it's worth it? I don't see how it's "cheap" to say that I was happy to pay £20 for Cybertron Prime, but wouldn't have paid his original £40 price. The figure simply wasn't worth £40 to me. At the £20 I paid, he's a fun addition to the collection. At £40, I'd have been disappointed.

On the flip side, I've paid more than the original price for some figures that I've really wanted, such as Cybertron Downshift. I don't see this as cheap, just as using my money wisely. Must be my Scottish ancestory.

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

According to your first post, I am one of those people. I cheerfully admit I don't think Cybertron Prime was worth more than £20. I've said recently on this forum that I won't buy the SWTF Darth Vader/Death Star until it's on sale. That is EXACTLY the behaviour you criticised in your opening post. So, I ask again: what is wrong with that?

Sledge wrote:According to your first post, I am one of those people. I cheerfully admit I don't think Cybertron Prime was worth more than £20. I've said recently on this forum that I won't buy the SWTF Darth Vader/Death Star until it's on sale. That is EXACTLY the behaviour you criticised in your opening post. So, I ask again: what is wrong with that?

You're going to learn that Megatroptimus makes a lot of comments like this, makes people irate, and then shuffles off somewhere else.

I wouldn't call him a troll (because he's been quite productive in other discussions) but I'd say he uses some trollish qualities here and there. He's...abrasive to be sure.

I'm one of those American fans he's complaining about. I said I'd wait until the Ultimate Bumblebee figure goes on clearance before spending the dough on it. This bothers him.

Why, I don't know. He explained it, but that doesn't really tell us why he has such a problem with it.

I realize that Hasbro put a lot of work into Bumblebee's crafting. I realize that the cost of living has gone up (I know that better than anyone, all I have to do is look at my utility bills...) etc...etc. Hasbro put him out at a price that they could afford and make a profit off of without breaking the customer's bank.

However, there are problems with him.
1.) For almost half the price, you can get the Robosapien. (It does more, it's far more intricate, and it's one nice piece of machinery)

2.) The rest of the toy suffered for the gimmicks (which isn't necessary, as I said, the Robosapien does more, for half the dough.)

3.) I (and many others) find that spending $80.00 on a single figure is too much, and that's why we're waiting on clearance. (To those of you who want to spend full price on it, by all means, do so. I hope you enjoy him. There are those of us who can afford it, but choose not to because it doesn't fit our idea of what $80.00 should go for. Plus the clearance prices are quite nice. I mean if we can save a buck, there's no crime in that, and we shouldn't be belittled for it.)

Late 90s, early 2000's I'd blow large amounts of money on a single G1 figure ($165.00 for a European gold boxed Prowl, which I still regret to this day...) but now that I'm older and realize the value of a dollar and how far it doesn't go...I choose to spend $80.00 and get several figures, not just one gaudy expensive one.

That's not being cheap, that's being smart with your money. Being cheap would be waiting for it to go on clearance, then denting the box and asking for a discount on the clearance price. That's cheap.

Because I can't afford it at this point, sweetie.

Exactly. Hasbro can set whatever price they want on a figure. After... well, more years than I care to admit to collecting, I can get a pretty good idea of how much I'll like a figure before splashing the cash. As a result, I can decide how much I'm willing to pay for it. That's partly determined by how much money I have available, but partly by how much I think the figure is worth.

Example: I really want Classics Ramjet. I could get him off ebay, but not for under about £18. Now, I have Classics Starscream and Skywarp, so I know I'll like Ramjet. But I'm not paying more than £14-£15 posted for him. He simply wouldn't be worth more than that TO ME.

And surely we all make those decisions? Not just about Transformers, but about everything. I like Uncle Ben's microwavable egg fried rice, but it's a little expensive for what it is, so I only buy it when it's offer. How is that any different to my TF-buying, and how is that a bad thing?

Sledge wrote:Exactly. Hasbro can set whatever price they want on a figure. After... well, more years than I care to admit to collecting, I can get a pretty good idea of how much I'll like a figure before splashing the cash. As a result, I can decide how much I'm willing to pay for it. That's partly determined by how much money I have available, but partly by how much I think the figure is worth.

Example: I really want Classics Ramjet. I could get him off ebay, but not for under about £18. Now, I have Classics Starscream and Skywarp, so I know I'll like Ramjet. But I'm not paying more than £14-£15 posted for him. He simply wouldn't be worth more than that TO ME.

And surely we all make those decisions? Not just about Transformers, but about everything. I like Uncle Ben's microwavable egg fried rice, but it's a little expensive for what it is, so I only buy it when it's offer. How is that any different to my TF-buying, and how is that a bad thing?

Shh! Don't use logic! You know the internets have none!

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

No, I insist on you explaining what your problem is with people choosing how to spend their money.

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

Ok, now I know you're talking out of your arse. First of all, MP Prime is certainly not fragile, and he's loaded with features and posablity.

Secondly, if people are paying hundreds of dollars for figures, how can you justify calling the same people "cheap"? As I've said, people decide how to spend their money. They decide some items are worth the asking price (or more) and some aren't. How is that a bad thing?

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing and will gladly pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, aren't whining about pricing but are not ready to pay the retail price for various reasons (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing but are still ready to pay the retail price (THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THEM)

-people who don't know what the stuff is worth, are whining about the pricing and are not ready to pay the retail price because they're misinformed about the toy and/or what should be factored in the cost of a toy (THIS THREAD COULD BE ABOUT THEM)

-people who knows what the stuff is worth but are pretending it's worth a fraction of the asking price just for the kick of venting while they're secretly hoping to score the toy later on clearance because they're just too cheap (THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THEM)