Seibertron wrote:I just want to say that I own an HD DVD player that I bought just for Transformers. Ever since Transformers came out, every other movie that I've wanted to buy (such as Die Hard 4, Superbad, Pirates 3 and Spiderman along with about another 1/2 dozen movies) have come out exclusively on Blu-Ray. Transformers is the only movie that I've wanted on HD DVD since Oct 16. When I go to Best Buy and I see more than twice the shelf space available for Blu-Ray over HD DVD, I can't help but think that I jumped on the bandwagon too soon. To be perfectly honest, I wish that I had bought a Blu-Ray player instead.
Robinson wrote:Ravage XK wrote:One thing I do know is THAT I AM SICK OF THE BITCHING THAT GOES ON between supporters of the different formats.
That right there is why I am perfectly fine with my standard dvd's. People have favorites and thats fine with me but it's going to suck in the end for the format that does eventually lose out or if in 3 years something superior than blue ray or hddvd comes out.
P.S.And I don't need my video game system to play dvd's either when I already have one hooked up.
polystyleneman wrote:As bad as the first on was, the best thing these guys could do for a Transformers movie is to make sure that another one never happens until an entirely different group of people are responsible for it. It wasn't just bad as a Transformers movie, it was a horrible excuse for any kind of entertainment.
Sid Burn wrote:Sloptank wrote:To 99% of the people watching movies, the difference between the two is insignificant.
Well the percentage of people who care about HD content know the difference.
Thats why it annoys me to see soooo many uninformed posters making statements like "HDDVD and Bluray are the same."
Some of the responses on this topic have no basis in reality whatsoever.
For a videophile like myself, the differnence between the two formats is a gap in quality that cannot be ignored. I dont expect the average guy to give a ****, it is the early adopters like me that make or break these format wars.
Crosscheck wrote:When tri-layer HD-DVDs start popping up, people will be singing a different tune about Blu-Ray being superior.
Besides, the vast majority of Blu-Ray disks are the twenty-five gb disk, not the fifty gb disk. That is even less than 30 gb version of the HDDVD, which almost all HDDVDs are released in.
eggshen wrote:SidBurn wrote: "Glad to see someone has the facts. To all those using the Betamax/VHS war as a crutch for their argument that Sony will lose this format war, get over it, that was decades ago. It is not a valid point today with how huge and influential Sony is."
You see the facts because you are a blu ray fanboy. Why did Transformers HD DVD just win an award for best audio? Show me one movie where the 50gb dics improves picture quality. Why does HD DVD usually have better extras? Oh that's right..cause Blu Ray can't play java. Most of the Blu Ray exclusives that I'm interested in are available over seas. Underworld 1&2 Terminator2, Reign of Fire, Total Recall, Reservoir Dogs, Resident Evil 1&2, Mr and Mrs Smith, First Blood and Rambo's..the list goes on. It's great that ALL HD DVD players are region free...something Blu Ray is missing. Enjoy your DRM fanboy.
Seibertron wrote:I just want to say that I own an HD DVD player that I bought just for Transformers. Ever since Transformers came out, every other movie that I've wanted to buy (such as Die Hard 4, Superbad, Pirates 3 and Spiderman along with about another 1/2 dozen movies) have come out exclusively on Blu-Ray. Transformers is the only movie that I've wanted on HD DVD since Oct 16. When I go to Best Buy and I see more than twice the shelf space available for Blu-Ray over HD DVD, I can't help but think that I jumped on the bandwagon too soon. To be perfectly honest, I wish that I had bought a Blu-Ray player instead.
Sid Burn wrote:eggshen wrote:SidBurn wrote: "Glad to see someone has the facts. To all those using the Betamax/VHS war as a crutch for their argument that Sony will lose this format war, get over it, that was decades ago. It is not a valid point today with how huge and influential Sony is."
You see the facts because you are a blu ray fanboy. Why did Transformers HD DVD just win an award for best audio? Show me one movie where the 50gb dics improves picture quality. Why does HD DVD usually have better extras? Oh that's right..cause Blu Ray can't play java. Most of the Blu Ray exclusives that I'm interested in are available over seas. Underworld 1&2 Terminator2, Reign of Fire, Total Recall, Reservoir Dogs, Resident Evil 1&2, Mr and Mrs Smith, First Blood and Rambo's..the list goes on. It's great that ALL HD DVD players are region free...something Blu Ray is missing. Enjoy your DRM fanboy.
Little note for you, the DRM Sony implements in its systems is attractive to other corporations and artists. It is actually one of the main reasons Sony enjoys such heavy support from the big studios. Noone enjoys having their intellectual property stolen and Sonys aggresive stance on this gains favour artists and studios alike.
I will admit, that the HDDVD transfer of Transformers is very nice but there are a laundry list of other titles that have suffered due to HDDVDs lack of storage.
A scheduled 50 gig release that will make use of the extra space is Black Hawk Down, and there are more on the way. The extra storage is being used for lossless audio and additional features, so while a perfect HD transfer is possible under 30 gigs, the sound to go with it is not.
So now that I have answered your questions, I have a point you cannot argue. It is a fact that bluray is outselling HDDVD 3-1 worldwide, it is also a fact that the week Transformers was released, Bluray still beat HDDVD in sales.
HDDVD cannot touch these sales because they dont have the PS3. Everyone who owns one now owns a Bluray player, and when PS3 eventually sells as many units as PS2, that is a lot of bluray players in a lot of households. You think people are going to by a seperate HD player when one comes with their chosen game console?
Abilor wrote:Basically (and albeit oversimplified to make the point), what will happen, is Joe Blow from Iowa tools on over to WalMart, and sees "HD." Joe Blow is cautious, since he makes less than $25,000 total household (like most of America). He can finally afford his set, which he got last Christmas, and now he wants a player. He looks at Blu-ray: beautiful. He looks at HD-DVD: beautiful. Joe Blow does not know what 720p is, he just likes watching Brett Favre's whiskers up real close like. So out come the prices, $399, Mr. Blow, it's on sale just for you... OW! Or you can get this for $99. Is it HD? Yes? Sold.
Joe Blow from Iowa is the Barbarella of the HD market, and even though he's dumb as rocks from our point of view, he will buy the HD-DVD units. And then... He will buy HD-DVD's. One for Xmas. One for his Birthday. One for his wife's birthday... And then Joe Blow will wonder why he can't buy Spiderman... and blame Sony for being stubborn...
I'm not saying it's right; I'm not even going to tell which format I prefer. My point is that HD-DVD will start to gain momentum this holiday season, years after early adopters like us already *know* that blu-ray is the bigger, more touted format with better title sales. Joe could give a flying ****. Him and the 200 million of him that live in the "fly-over" between california and new york just want HD.
Blurayers, prepare yourselves. HD-DVDers, Sony *does* have a lot going for them, much like the axis powers in the beginning of an Axis and Allies game. But the Americans (Joe Blows) usually win only because there's so damn many who show up two or three years after the war already started.
Robinson wrote:From my own experience the amout of people that use a game player to play movies on and does not use or have a standalone player is a minority in the grand scale of things. The old philoshy of "If you cram to tech into one thing something has to suffer" comes to mind.
Honestly I dont think there will ever be as many households with PS3's as there are PS2's, it just wont get that affordable when Sony is still losing money on every PS3 that is sold.
This is a valid point (nice to see one on this thread at least) HDDVD and Bluray will eventually either succeed or fail based on joe blows dollar. One element you did not mention was when joe blow finds out an HDDVD player doesnt have Spiderman, Pirates, James Bond, Die Hard and Superbad, which just happen to be the titles all his squaking children want, he could choose bluray to keep them happy.
TheStarScreamer wrote:Plus each HD-DVD disc is capable of dual layering, although it has yet to be needed. They don't make movies that long. Maybe if we keep letting Peter Jackson direct epic films, we may get a movie that halfway fills one side of an HD-DVD disc. Maybe longer, but by then, Blu-Ray will be an antique anyways, along with PS3.
TheStarScreamer wrote:Sony and Disney attaching their name to a box full o' **** (aka Blu-Ray) doesn't make it a better format. Sure it has more space, but here's the thing, what good is it? Most good DVDs have an entire second disc of features anyways. Plus each HD-DVD disc is capable of dual layering, although it has yet to be needed. They don't make movies that long. Maybe if we keep letting Peter Jackson direct epic films, we may get a movie that halfway fills one side of an HD-DVD disc. Maybe longer, but by then, Blu-Ray will be an antique anyways, along with PS3.
Not really, because Joe Blow doesn't buy his children $200-600 disc players. Only richies and weirdos do that. Joe does what me and every other parent does, and buys their kids a $30 DVD player at Target to plug into their kids' hand-me-down TV from 1994.
Honestly the only reason Blu-Ray still exists is because Sony forcably included one with every PS3 sold. No one actually buys a Blu-Ray player.
Swerve wrote:A few weekends prior to Black Friday, Best Buy and Walmart sold a Toshiba HD-DVD player for $99. The result was somewhere in the neighborhood of 90,000 players sold in one weekend.
Abilor wrote:Swerve wrote:A few weekends prior to Black Friday, Best Buy and Walmart sold a Toshiba HD-DVD player for $99. The result was somewhere in the neighborhood of 90,000 players sold in one weekend.
Actually, that was Black Friday, as I recall..
But yes, a drop in the bucket compared to the present bluray install base.
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