Evil_the_Nub wrote:Ya know what? I really liked Chromia and Arcee. In fact they're among my favorites from the RotF line. I even bought the 2 pack with that purplish Arcee and that awful Blazemaster repaint just so I could cut one of her wheels off and glue it on the arm to make Elita-1.
JOP wrote:Finally, I have to wonder: precisely why are we attempting to hold a Saturday morning show from almost three decades ago to the same design standards as a recent summer blockbuster trilogy with a combined budget of almost $550 million?
cotss2012 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:their heads, chests, feet, and arms are different.
Sure. You keep telling yourself that
Rushie wrote:JOP wrote:Finally, I have to wonder: precisely why are we attempting to hold a Saturday morning show from almost three decades ago to the same design standards as a recent summer blockbuster trilogy with a combined budget of almost $550 million?
Because this happens to be a flaw of which G1 is as guilty as the movieverse is. I think it's nice for all the fandom to realise that G1 is not flawless and the movieverse is not garbage.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Rushie wrote:Because this happens to be a flaw of which G1 is as guilty as the movieverse is. I think it's nice for all the fandom to realise that G1 is not flawless and the movieverse is not garbage.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Just as much, if not more color differential than in G1. That, and these characters all had unique designs (unlike recycled designs in G1). So if for some reason you still can't tell the difference between the movie characters, i might suggest getting some glasses. Either way, you can't complain that movie designs are hard to follow, and then say that G1 designs were much easier to follow because of colors since nearly each movie bot had had unique colors to them just as G1 did.
JOP wrote: Criticism of the original cartoon in no way absolves the movieverse of criticism (and that's before we even account for the questionable fairness of such a comparison). This is why I asked my question.
JOP wrote:I'm not sure I can agree with your assessment regarding 'color differential'; indeed, how do we determine such a thing? For instance: are we to count the number of unique colors present in a single version of the franchise? If so, the sheer number of characters present in the original cartoon, and smaller number present in the movies, would most likely sway any count in favor of the former. Perhaps we should first create a methodology for measuring color differential before we draw our conclusions?.
JOP wrote:I would also like to point out that - at least insofar as I understand these things - that much of the criticism of the movie designs relates specifically to their appearance on-screen, often in sequences containing high levels of movement and / or other visual excitement (explosions, for instance). This is an environ in which designs containing high levels of uniformly-colored detail and complexity do not, traditionally, excel. (I also believe that to a certain extent, the Generation 1 cartoon sidestepped this issue simply by virtue of its animated status.) To argue the merits of the designs outside of the context of the media in which they appear strikes me as disingenuous.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:And your 100% right. The faults of one universe of TF doesn't merit the faults of another. But at the same time, one can't hold certain faults of a part of said universe, then another hold on a high pedestal for the same "faults". In this case the argument was the movie characters all looked the same. Problem is the same can be said in G1 in terms of design. Yes, they might have been different colors, but one can't argue that there designs were really that unique to each character and claim that they were ultimately superior to there movie counterparts. Especially when there designs were unique to each bot, as well as each individual bot had there own specific color. Heck even the twins who were supposed to look alike, had key design features unique to them. But that also bring me to your next point..
5150 Cruiser wrote:I see your point and where your going with this. But to be fair, i think Bay & Co. did a good job in trying to differentiate the bots during fighting sequences. Slowing down fight scenes, to changing bot colors from the movie versions to the toys so they two are better distinguished (Bumblebee vs. Rampage for example. Rampage was specifically made red so the audience can tell them apart better). Now granted, some scenes are going to be harder to tell apart than others. But the same can be said with nearly any action movie. Personally, I've had an easier time telling apart TF in Bay's movies than many Human based war movies.
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
PumpkinSwirl wrote:Optimus Prime - Yeah they played it safe but he's still awesome. I know it's sacreligious to say this but I like movieverse Optimus a lot better than any of his other incarnations. Him not being afraid to kill makes him a much better leader imo.
Bumblebee - I love him, especially with his battle helmet.
Ironhide - He's my favorite autobot design in the movie. He just looks so damn badass.I actually enjoy his design better than any of the cartoon ones.
Dark of the Moon Soundwave - I still like G1 Soundwave better, but I thought the design of the Mercedes version looked awesome.
Shockwave - My favorite dsign by far. I just wish they did more with the character.
RhA wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:That's a tough call, but I'd have to say Optimus is my favorite.
Of all the designs I thought Prime was the 'play-it-safe' character. Still an excellent design, IMO.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
TulioDude wrote:The more i think about it:How can someone not like the Dino/Mirage the design?
Burn wrote:Please don't clog this thread up with garbage. Either post a real picture of yourself, or tell Va'al how pretty he is.
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
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