The Energon Pub

Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:08 pm

Well thats the whole 'Devastator is actually one Bot with a seperate Alt Mode' idea. Hightower, Mixmaster, Long haul etc are not part of Devastator. The construction vehilces that combine are never given Bot modes. They just go Vehicle - Devastator.

Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:54 pm

The only autobot that fell was Jetfire. Arcee and Ironhide both got banged up, but neither died. I think if they were going kill any Autobots beside Jetfire they d made it very clear. Like Jazz and Jetfire both were clearly shown dying. Rule of movies, you dont see a body they arent dead heh.

They seemed have several doubles of the characters, as the decepticons had a clone army.I suppose if humans and autobots are gunning down them left and right, they dont need have unique forms.

News Credits: 462 · Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:22 pm

Lastjustice wrote:The only autobot that fell was Jetfire. Arcee and Ironhide both got banged up, but neither died. I think if they were going kill any Autobots beside Jetfire they d made it very clear. Like Jazz and Jetfire both were clearly shown dying. Rule of movies, you dont see a body they arent dead heh.

Arcee bit the dust. Bay said he wanted her killed off because he didn't like her.

Prime died too, but he came back to life. Three deaths total, but only two remained dead.

Lastjustice wrote: They seemed have several doubles of the characters, as the decepticons had a clone army.I suppose if humans and autobots are gunning down them left and right, they dont need have unique forms.

The only duplicates there were were two of Mixmaster, Scrapper, Long Haul, Hightower, and Rampage (only one of Scavenger and Overload were seen). The rest of the Cons were either single individuals or some random unnamed protoforms (and the tiny silver ball bots, but they aren't actually characters).

Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:38 pm

Arcee bit the dust. Bay said he wanted her killed off because he didn't like her.

They would clearly displayed it. Just like Ironhide had got burnt was all superfical damage. They would had her die in a manner that meant something. We saw one of the bikes so its assumed they all made as they were 1 character. An internet rumor doesnt constitute a dead character. On the wiki they said the same thing even, she just got injured and ironhide blew away the con that hurt her. The same way devastator was one being made of several vechiles. All constructicons were seperate entities.

Prime died too, but he came back to life. Three deaths total, but only two remained dead.

I dont see point in counting a death if was reversed by end of the movie. You wanna correct me just pull a techincality, but if I saw the movie I was aware Prime died and returned, was hard to miss.

The only duplicates there were were two of Mixmaster, Scrapper, Long Haul, Hightower, and Rampage (only one of Scavenger and Overload were seen). The rest of the Cons were either single individuals or some random unnamed protoforms (and the tiny silver ball bots, but they aren't actually characters).

Devastator was a its own being, as it didnt transformer into seperate robots, just one large and several vehicles. The constructicons were all seperate bots, not clones say. But was a cheap way have the same models reused. Same with Grindor, as he was a copy of black out, and was a bonecrusher clone and few others in the protoform army.

Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:03 am

The only thing that confused me was how in the last film, Bonecrusher was killed by Optimus, yet in the final battle scene there was his vehicle mode driving along side the Decepticons

News Credits: 462 · Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:06 am

Delta82 wrote:The only thing that confused me was how in the last film, Bonecrusher was killed by Optimus, yet in the final battle scene there was his vehicle mode driving along side the Decepticons

Well, it was never actually stated to BE him. It could've just been the the same type of vehilce that he scanned.

News Credits: 767 · Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:56 pm

All of the Constructicons had duplicates and I think I even saw a clone of Bonecrusher in bot-mode but I'm not sure.

Arcee isn't dead, just one of her components was blasted to death the other was badly harmed and the blue one (Chromia toy) was undamaged.

Bay stating he wanted to kill her off was misinformation just like Barricade and Jazz.

News Credits: 462 · Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:08 pm

Dead Metal wrote:All of the Constructicons had duplicates and I think I even saw a clone of Bonecrusher in bot-mode but I'm not sure.

Not Scavenger and Overload. There were only one them shown and they were used to form Devastator.

As for the Bonecrusher lookalike, it was only his vehicle that was seen. I just now got back from seeing the movie again.

Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:51 pm

Actually Bonecrusher (or a look a like) was in the movie. I clearly remember seeing him in robot form, not just his vehicle mode. He was near the back of a shot to the left, behind a building. I know it was him because he was tan and his head was easy to recognize.

News Credits: 6 · Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:08 am

Here's what I don't get.
They had two Allspark pieces.
Why didn't they resurrect Jazz?

Honorable death?
Optimus got killed almost as bad as Jazz!
Yet, it's totally okay to bring him back, just because he's the leader.

I think they all secretly hated Jazz.
I really do.

Not that it really matters to me, I'm just saying.

News Credits: 462 · Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:11 am

Jacob P. Galvatron wrote:Here's what I don't get.
They had two Allspark pieces.
Why didn't they resurrect Jazz?

Honorable death?
Optimus got killed almost as bad as Jazz!
Yet, it's totally okay to bring him back, just because he's the leader.

I think they all secretly hated Jazz.
I really do.

Not that it really matters to me, I'm just saying.

Perhaps the Autobts felt it to be immoral to use the fragment to ressurec Jazz. But Optimus was an exception becuase they knew that only a Prime could defeat The Fallen.

News Credits: 767 · Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:53 am

Also Scorponok didn't die of being ripped apart, Jetfire ripped off his tail then fell over and smashed Scorponok's head with his fist, to prevent him from attacking him again.
Considering his size, Movie verse Scorponok is pretty badass, deadly and tough.

Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:43 pm

My belief is that Ravage is a drone and probably return in the next one, as well as the Constructicons. In fact, I think half of the Decipitcons shown are drones since they don't interact or show an individual side to them.

News Credits: 462 · Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:26 pm

Lousy_Autobot_Lover wrote:My belief is that Ravage is a drone and probably return in the next one, as well as the Constructicons. In fact, I think half of the Decipitcons shown are drones since they don't interact or show an individual side to them.

This Ravage is every much a drone as G1 Ravage was. And he wasn't. Both Ravages are just animalistic Transformers that act more savagely and beast-like than the other humanoid Transformers.

As for the other Decepticons, they wre just as much drones as the Decepticons from the first movie (Barricade, Brawl, Bonecrusher, Frenzy, Blackout, and Scorponok) were. And those guys weren't dornes either.

News Credits: 609 · Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:25 pm

Wasn't Scalpel destroyed by Bumblebee or Prime in the warehouse? It's pretty fuzzy at this point.

Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:16 am

skids 2.0 wrote:The list of the dead (that i noticed)

.Jetfire - suicide

is that it?

scorponok ripped a hole in jetfires chest

News Credits: 462 · Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:34 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Autobots:
Optimus Prime - stabbed in the back by Megatron, but revived by the Matrix and Jetfire
Jetfire - mortally wounded by Scorponok, then give up his body and power to Prime
Arcee sisters - shot in battle (debatable)

Decepticons:
Sliced in half by Sideswipe
Demolishor - shot in the head by Prime
Hightower - sacrificed by his fellow Constructicons to resurrect Megatron
The Decepticon hatchlings - died due to a sufficient lack of energon
Alice - crushed by Mikaela's driving
Grindor - face ripped apart by Prime
Devastator - blasted into pieces by a rail gun
Ravage - had his tail and spine ripped out by bumblebee
Rampage - shot in the back of the head by Bumblebee
Long Haul - killed by the military bombardment
Scrapper - killed by the military bombardment
Extra protoform Decepticons - killed by the military bombardment
Mixmaster - sliced by Jetfire
Scorponok - Jetfire ripped off his tail and smashed his head
The Fallen - had his spark ripped out by Prime

Other:
"Kitchen Crew" - blasted by Bumblebee
The Dynasty of Primes - six of the seven died in the ancient past to defeat The Fallen

News Credits: 767 · Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:50 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Autobots:
Optimus Prime - stabbed in the back by Megatron, but revived by the Matrix and Jetfire
Jetfire - mortally wounded by Scorponok, then give up his body and power to Prime

Decepticons:
Sliced in half by Sideswipe
Demolishor - shot in the head by Prime
Hightower - sacrificed by his fellow Constructicons to resurrect Megatron
The Decepticon hatchlings - died due to a sufficient lack of energon
Alice - crushed by Mikaela's driving
Grindor - face ripped apart by Prime
Devastator - blasted into pieces by a rail gun
Ravage - had his tail and spine ripped out by bumblebee
Rampage - shot in the back of the head by Bumblebee
Long Haul - killed by the military bombardment
Scrapper - killed by the military bombardment
Extra protoform Decepticons - killed by the military bombardment
Mixmaster - sliced by Jetfire
Scorponok - Jetfire ripped off his tail and smashed his head
The Fallen - had his spark ripped out by Prime

Other:
"Kitchen Crew" - blasted by Bumblebee
The Dynasty of Primes - six of the seven died in the ancient past to defeat The Fallen

Arcee survived, as one of her components was left unharmed and the read one shows up all fixed up in alt-mode at the end of the movie.

News Credits: 462 · Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:27 pm

Dead Metal wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Autobots:
Optimus Prime - stabbed in the back by Megatron, but revived by the Matrix and Jetfire
Jetfire - mortally wounded by Scorponok, then give up his body and power to Prime

Decepticons:
Sliced in half by Sideswipe
Demolishor - shot in the head by Prime
Hightower - sacrificed by his fellow Constructicons to resurrect Megatron
The Decepticon hatchlings - died due to a sufficient lack of energon
Alice - crushed by Mikaela's driving
Grindor - face ripped apart by Prime
Devastator - blasted into pieces by a rail gun
Ravage - had his tail and spine ripped out by bumblebee
Rampage - shot in the back of the head by Bumblebee
Long Haul - killed by the military bombardment
Scrapper - killed by the military bombardment
Extra protoform Decepticons - killed by the military bombardment
Mixmaster - sliced by Jetfire
Scorponok - Jetfire ripped off his tail and smashed his head
The Fallen - had his spark ripped out by Prime

Other:
"Kitchen Crew" - blasted by Bumblebee
The Dynasty of Primes - six of the seven died in the ancient past to defeat The Fallen

Arcee survived, as one of her components was left unharmed and the read one shows up all fixed up in alt-mode at the end of the movie.

When I wrote that, I was going by what Bay said about killing off Arcee. But I'll change it a bit.

And that was not Arcee Mikaela was riding on at the end of the movie. That was the same red motorcycle she was riding on near the beginning of the film, right after the kitchen bots attack Sam's house. Arcee was with NEST at that time.

Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:05 pm

As far as the Arcee sisters are concerned; the purple is shot, after she tells Shia and Megan that she's going to take them to Optimus. Moments later, you see the pink one getting shot and the blue one, she is seen taking cover behind a wall. I don't remember Megan sitting on a bike at the end, what color is it, the pink one?

News Credits: 767 · Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:54 pm

Deezo wrote:As far as the Arcee sisters are concerned; the purple is shot, after she tells Shia and Megan that she's going to take them to Optimus. Moments later, you see the pink one getting shot and the blue one, she is seen taking cover behind a wall. I don't remember Megan sitting on a bike at the end, what color is it, the pink one?

Their not sisters, all 3 are Arcee she has 3 different bodies sharing one mind.

Oh that was the same bike as the beginning? I'll check on Friday when I go and see it again.

News Credits: 462 · Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:33 pm

Dead Metal wrote:
Deezo wrote:As far as the Arcee sisters are concerned; the purple is shot, after she tells Shia and Megan that she's going to take them to Optimus. Moments later, you see the pink one getting shot and the blue one, she is seen taking cover behind a wall. I don't remember Megan sitting on a bike at the end, what color is it, the pink one?

Their not sisters, all 3 are Arcee she has 3 different bodies sharing one mind.

Oh that was the same bike as the beginning? I'll check on Friday when I go and see it again.

One of the soldiers yells "Arcee Twins!" giving them their command to go.

Though, I think it should've been "triplets" since there's three of them.

News Credits: 11 · Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:43 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Deezo wrote:As far as the Arcee sisters are concerned; the purple is shot, after she tells Shia and Megan that she's going to take them to Optimus. Moments later, you see the pink one getting shot and the blue one, she is seen taking cover behind a wall. I don't remember Megan sitting on a bike at the end, what color is it, the pink one?

Their not sisters, all 3 are Arcee she has 3 different bodies sharing one mind.

Oh that was the same bike as the beginning? I'll check on Friday when I go and see it again.
One of the soldiers yells "Arcee Twins!" giving them their command to go.

Though, I think it should've been "triplets" since there's three of them.

It's meant as "arcee, twins" because right after u see the holo girls appear, they show the twins.

News Credits: 462 · Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:16 pm

Robinson wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Deezo wrote:As far as the Arcee sisters are concerned; the purple is shot, after she tells Shia and Megan that she's going to take them to Optimus. Moments later, you see the pink one getting shot and the blue one, she is seen taking cover behind a wall. I don't remember Megan sitting on a bike at the end, what color is it, the pink one?

Their not sisters, all 3 are Arcee she has 3 different bodies sharing one mind.

Oh that was the same bike as the beginning? I'll check on Friday when I go and see it again.
One of the soldiers yells "Arcee Twins!" giving them their command to go.

Though, I think it should've been "triplets" since there's three of them.

It's meant as "arcee, twins" because right after u see the holo girls appear, they show the twins.

I dunno. Ususally when there's a comma, there's a pause in speech and that soldier didn't pause between "Arcee" and "twins".

News Credits: 3 · Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:30 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I dunno. Ususally when there's a comma, there's a pause in speech and that soldier didn't pause between "Arcee" and "twins".

I dunno - considering Demolisher was rippin' up the place and Sideways was making a break for it, Lennox could have been a *little* exasperated at the time and trying to get out his statement as fast as possible.

Real world explaination - could have simply been a flub on the actor's part that wasn't caught.