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GetterDragun wrote:

Heckfire wrote:At least now there's a slim chance of actually getting a Thundercracker for my collection.

This does not get you a Thundercracker for your collection. It would be the equivalent of saying you had a Ferrari because you put a prancing horse on a Hyundai.

What's the difference between two pieces of plastic that have the same shape and color?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQf9dn0pDk

Whats the big beef?

99% of you who have a real 'Cracker weren't planning on selling it anyway, and now you can buy a version you can play with and, ya know, actually transform it.

Great! I didn't had the chance on ordering Thundercracker & Skywarp as classics when they came out and to me they are just too damn expensive on some sites that still have them in stores.

You see, I have to ship them overseas to Europe that alone is expensive enough and some of the sellers don't mark the value down, so occasionly I have to pay customs taxes.

So what if the cockpits aren't coloured as they were supposed to be. It doesn't bother me at all. It looks cool that way either.

Knock Off or not, I am going to get these guys!

Flashwave wrote:

Fender Bender wrote: Neither KO diminishes the value of the original in either case.

These theoretically could. In an auction setting, if it's said to be a Botcon TC, and is set cheaper than an actual Botcon TC, then people will naturally flock to bidding on that one. If the seller has several of these then, the competitive auction market will flock to those, and the authentic is either ignored, or goes for far less because it was robbed.

Now, how many of us will be selling the Botcon sets anytime soon?

WHy is Skywarp a knock off? He was a general market release. The Botcon set was TC, Dirge, Thrust.

And I'm with the others, this is a good opportunity for Seeker bashes.

I honestly don't think most KO makers know a darned thing about aftermarker values of convention exclusive Thundercracker. They are just KOing some Henkei toys like any others in the line. They probably don't even know Botcon Thundercracker existed. After all, if they only made toys to cash in on convention exclusives, they would deco them closer, put them in convention packaging, and sell them as the "real thing."

Anyone who buys toys they don't want to bilk hundreds out of others on ebay really doesn't have my sympathy.

Also, you should note that currently NO Botcon Thundercrackers are for sale on ebay AT ALL, they havnt even been listed in the last 3 months either! You can't change the price of something that pratically doesn't even exist! Let's face it, there are more collectors out there who want one then even exist of the Botcon toy, so this KO won't effect anything. It willl act as a nice place holder for those of us who missed the real thing and don't have hundreds to spend on a $10 toy painted blue.

End up these pictures are not even the toys they way they came from the KO maker. Someone added symbols and paint details. The real KO is just plain blue with a couple stripes. EASILY identified as different from the real thing, Henkei or Botcon.

Great to see others support the idea of knock off seekers. Last time I brought up this topic I got slammed by collectors who seem to be concerned about value and the elite status of owning one. Botcon 2010 will be my first Botcon and I have made it a point to complete my seeker collection when I get there. Depending on how much the dealers will sell em as a lot will determine if I get the Henkei versions or not. But if the dealers are greedy, then its nice to know someone will probally have these guys for sale at a fair price.

Also, no disrespect to the site, but instead of titleing this thread "Buyers Beware:" why not use a less biased title such as "Henkei alternitives available for collectors" ???

I dont think anybody buying these would actually be dumb enough to believe it is a Henkei version with that huge blue cockpit...

Rated X wrote:Also, no disrespect to the site, but instead of titleing this thread "Buyers Beware:" why not use a less biased title such as "Henkei alternitives available for collectors" ???

Because this site promotes real Transformers. Officially we do not support 3rd party add-ons or figures, including Knock Off figures. We just report it to keep the fanbase informed. What you suggest could be interpretted that we support these figures, which we're not.

I dont think anybody buying these would actually be dumb enough to believe it is a Henkei version with that huge blue cockpit...

You'd be surprised at the ignorance of some people.

Neat, look good!


Might buy a set so I can have a TC and Skywarp of my own. My bro technically owns the Henkei and Botcon versions ;p



As an aside, I don't see any need to get pissy over this just because you have the botcon and/or henkei versions already. It's just plain mean to want to deny others the chance to have something you have.

And then I flunk my own argument by also pointing out that these aren't botcon TC or the henkei versions of SW and TC, just deluxe figures that bear a remarkable resemblance. There's no need to kick up a fuss.

GetterDragun wrote:

Heckfire wrote:At least now there's a slim chance of actually getting a Thundercracker for my collection.

This does not get you a Thundercracker for your collection. It would be the equivalent of saying you had a Ferrari because you put a prancing horse on a Hyundai.

QFT.

I will be patient and pick up the Games of Deception set when I can afford it. I'm prepared to pay what it's worth.

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Heckfire wrote:At least now there's a slim chance of actually getting a Thundercracker for my collection.

This does not get you a Thundercracker for your collection. It would be the equivalent of saying you had a Ferrari because you put a prancing horse on a Hyundai.

QFT.

I will be patient and pick up the Games of Deception set when I can afford it. I'm prepared to pay what it's worth.

No need to put down someone for not wanting to pay a rediculous price. Luckily I don't suffer from the lack of creativity and imagination that you do. I'd gladly pay $20-30 to import a nice generic "blue Seeker" who will stand in for the $300+ Botcon Thundercracker toy. Don't even try to argue that I'm fooling myself, I know exactly what it is, and I'm fine with that. It's a toy, and I'd be happy with it.

I hope we see KO Thrust and Dirge too. I bet they are Henkei mold, not Botcon.

Just when I thought this dead horse had been beaten in every possible way.

Diem wrote:Ooh, if that Thundercracker had been released a few years ago, it would've broken the fandom in half.

Seriously. Three years ago this would have been genius.

Honestly this toy looks nearly nothing like Botcon and Henkei Thundercracker. It's a generic light blue Seeker. The first pic we saw had been hand painted. Check out the actual toy.



I'm sure with a little paint, and maybe some reprolabels, it will be a nice Thundercracker stand in, or maybe a generic blue Seeker.

What are the websites that sell fakes? I want to make sure I am not buying some garbage from some garbage asian website.

No one is selling them in English yet. They just arrived on a Chinese site. I HIGHLY doubt anyone would attempt to sell them as Henkei or Botcon Thundercrackers. They are just generic seeker knockoffs in white, blue and black. It's just that someone custom hand painted one to look like Thundercracker and people got worried about their expensive Botcon exclusives were being threatened! The horror!

Funny how everyone seems to only care about Thundercracker. They made KOs of Starscream, Skywarp, Magnus, Optimus and Nemesis Prime too in this set (none of them look much like the real toys!) No one cares about them, as the real toys available for reasonable prices. It's dear-old Thundercracker anyone seems to worry about having a KO!

Scaleface wrote:Honestly this toy looks nearly nothing like Botcon and Henkei Thundercracker. It's a generic light blue Seeker. The first pic we saw had been hand painted. Check out the actual toy.



I'm sure with a little paint, and maybe some reprolabels, it will be a nice Thundercracker stand in, or maybe a generic blue Seeker.

*Looks at the fists*
I hereby accuse Hasbro of making these! At least the quality control seems to be the same

The kitbashers and people who can't afford the insane prices will be happy. I think most would be happy for a complete Seeker set than if it's a couple of knockoffs.

Scaleface wrote:Honestly this toy looks nearly nothing like Botcon and Henkei Thundercracker. It's a generic light blue Seeker. The first pic we saw had been hand painted. Check out the actual toy.



I'm sure with a little paint, and maybe some reprolabels, it will be a nice Thundercracker stand in, or maybe a generic blue Seeker.

Take that and a spare universe Acid storm, perform a few parts swaps and boom goes the dynamite!

Scaleface wrote:No one is selling them in English yet. They just arrived on a Chinese site. I HIGHLY doubt anyone would attempt to sell them as Henkei or Botcon Thundercrackers. They are just generic seeker knockoffs in white, blue and black. It's just that someone custom hand painted one to look like Thundercracker and people got worried about their expensive Botcon exclusives were being threatened! The horror!

Funny how everyone seems to only care about Thundercracker. They made KOs of Starscream, Skywarp, Magnus, Optimus and Nemesis Prime too in this set (none of them look much like the real toys!) No one cares about them, as the real toys available for reasonable prices. It's dear-old Thundercracker anyone seems to worry about having a KO!

Quoted for lulz!

Scaleface wrote:

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:This does not get you a Thundercracker for your collection. It would be the equivalent of saying you had a Ferrari because you put a prancing horse on a Hyundai.

QFT.

I will be patient and pick up the Games of Deception set when I can afford it. I'm prepared to pay what it's worth.

No need to put down someone for not wanting to pay a rediculous price. Luckily I don't suffer from the lack of creativity and imagination that you do. I'd gladly pay $20-30 to import a nice generic "blue Seeker" who will stand in for the $300+ Botcon Thundercracker toy. Don't even try to argue that I'm fooling myself, I know exactly what it is, and I'm fine with that. It's a toy, and I'd be happy with it.

I hope we see KO Thrust and Dirge too. I bet they are Henkei mold, not Botcon.

That's a cute way to try to make this personal. Razorclaw's comment was completely innocent, if I were him, I'd be mildly offended.

Kibble wrote:

Scaleface wrote:No one is selling them in English yet. They just arrived on a Chinese site. I HIGHLY doubt anyone would attempt to sell them as Henkei or Botcon Thundercrackers. They are just generic seeker knockoffs in white, blue and black. It's just that someone custom hand painted one to look like Thundercracker and people got worried about their expensive Botcon exclusives were being threatened! The horror!

Funny how everyone seems to only care about Thundercracker. They made KOs of Starscream, Skywarp, Magnus, Optimus and Nemesis Prime too in this set (none of them look much like the real toys!) No one cares about them, as the real toys available for reasonable prices. It's dear-old Thundercracker anyone seems to worry about having a KO!

Quoted for lulz!

I don't get why everyone has to White Knight for Botcon Thundercracker. It's pretty retarded when you think about it. First everyone got butthurt over the mere existence of Henkei Thundercracker. I'm sure you remember the dramafests. Personally for $75 each I was all over him and Henkei Skywarp. I even had Target Skywarp. You know. The exclusive from the Skywarp vs. Ultra Magnus two-pack. The exclusive that no one bitches about being made as a Henkei or being knocked off.

I don't really understand why people are so up in arms over him. The whole "same name it's not exclusive anymore" is retarded to me too. Here's a small list of not only characters with the same name as Botcon exclusives, but in some cases the same name and mold that have been released that no one gives a crap about being rereleased, knocked off, or put into a new mold.

Skywarp
Ironhide
Ratchet
Elita-One (the E-Arcee repaint came out after '07 but before her '09 Botcon toy. Still counts)
Skyfall (TFCC)
Razorclaw (Legends class came out after Dawns of Future past, used the legends version of the intended mold, yet predates the real Botcon toy. Again. It still counts. Oh and there's also the Shattered Glass Razorclaw.)
Optimus Prime (Shattered Glass)
Jazz (Shattered Glass)
Rodimus (Shattered Glass)
Megatron (Shattered Glass)
Starscream
etc. (Shattered Glass)

Dude. There were toys that had their names man! They're no longer exclusive! ZOMFG!

Nekoman wrote:

Scaleface wrote:

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:This does not get you a Thundercracker for your collection. It would be the equivalent of saying you had a Ferrari because you put a prancing horse on a Hyundai.

QFT.

I will be patient and pick up the Games of Deception set when I can afford it. I'm prepared to pay what it's worth.

No need to put down someone for not wanting to pay a rediculous price. Luckily I don't suffer from the lack of creativity and imagination that you do. I'd gladly pay $20-30 to import a nice generic "blue Seeker" who will stand in for the $300+ Botcon Thundercracker toy. Don't even try to argue that I'm fooling myself, I know exactly what it is, and I'm fine with that. It's a toy, and I'd be happy with it.

I hope we see KO Thrust and Dirge too. I bet they are Henkei mold, not Botcon.

That's a cute way to try to make this personal. Razorclaw's comment was completely innocent, if I were him, I'd be mildly offended.

So like most of the internet you're far too easily insulted? Telling someone that they don't have much of an imagination or creativity when you're talking about toys isn't an insult man. We're talking about toys here. Sure some are collectibles but they're always intended as children's playthings.

I really wish people would stop taking Transformers in general so seriously. Especially the toys. I'm sick of always seeing people react like this all the damn time:

I could own Thundercracker, without having to pay $90s for a toy? Sign me up!

I'd be more shocked if someone knocked off Bugbite or Dreadwind from the Botcon set, as they are not common characters. Just painting a Decepticon jet blue... nothing unusual about that.

BTW - I said someone didn't have imagination because they couldn't accept the idea that some of us would be happy with a simple "blue seeker" knockoff as our "a Thundercracker" for our collection. I know some people have to be completists, but for those of us happy with a KO as a place filler, don't tells us can't have our toys. Even if I had the money to buy a Botcon Thundercracker, I'd spend it on something more important... diabeties research or a fundraider for cancer survivors... or college classes so I can get my degree and a better job... or somesuch, and buy a KO with reprolabels for my toy shelf.

Wow, the Botcon Seekers are STILL causing drama in threads, even now. Crazy.

Absolute Zero wrote:I could own Thundercracker, without having to pay $90s for a toy? Sign me up!

Nope, but you could own a light blue KO though!

GetterDragun wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:I could own Thundercracker, without having to pay $90s for a toy? Sign me up!

Nope, but you could own a light blue KO though!

I don't approve! I already bought a blue KO, and NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE is allowed to have another just like it.