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The obviouls answer is then you start with a BLUE base and add your own details from there. According to the dealer at KO toys these KOs are higher quality for KOs. Not the cheapest plastic and all falling apart... so a good baseline for a quickie custom.

I for one don't happen to want to paint an entire figure from head to toe, otherwise I'd already HAVE a custom Thundercracker.

GetterDragun wrote:

kjyl wrote:honsetly if I could go buy a hasbro thundercracker I would, But I cannot so there you go. If I can get a knock off of a discontinued toy, well I do not see the harm

But you can easily get a Hasbro Seeker mold for cheap, why buy a knockoff?

The cheapest you can get them is $15-$25 MOSC for Acid Storm or $25+ for Classics 2.0 Starscream MOSC. That's a bit pricey for something to repaint. KOtoys are marking these up to $15 to turn a profit, so if you could find them at a retail store they would be cheaper and therefore more cost effective to buy to repaint.

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:The cheapest you can get them is $15-$25 MOSC for Acid Storm...

http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/ProductsBy ... 7&ID=21939

Nekoman wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:The cheapest you can get them is $15-$25 MOSC for Acid Storm...

http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/ProductsBy ... 7&ID=21939

After tax and shipping the figure comes out to like 18-20-ish dollars. I would know, I just ordered a few Universe 2.0 deluxes.

well I just received my ko seekers on the mail today, as k.o.s go they are pretty nice, the plastic is a bit on the flimsy side (I snapped a wing off the "starsrceam" on on the first transformation, but that is easily pinned), and they are not put together as well as a real seeker. the paint apps are messy,and there is a lot of mold lines. that said the transformation sequence is exactly the same and they look very much like the source toy.on the whole not too bad.

If you want a blue seeker base, this may be one way to go

basically you have to do a lot more work to turn acid storm into thundercracker, but it is much more sturdy and you get the yellow canopy. so six up half a dozen down really

kjyl wrote:well I just received my ko seekers on the mail today, as k.o.s go they are pretty nice, the plastic is a bit on the flimsy side (I snapped a wing off the "starsrceam" on on the first transformation, but that is easily pinned), and they are not put together as well as a real seeker. the paint apps are messy,and there is a lot of mold lines. that said the transformation sequence is exactly the same and they look very much like the source toy.on the whole not too bad.

If you want a blue seeker base, this may be one way to go

basically you have to do a lot more work to turn acid storm into thundercracker, but it is much more sturdy and you get the yellow canopy. so six up half a dozen down really

I ordered a KO TC and Skywarp, I plan on bashing them together to make one decent TC. I'll keep the plastic quality in mind as I open them up! Any chance you can check and see if the KO missiles fit into the real seeker mold launchers? My legit Skywarp lost a missile somewhere and I plan on using the KOwarp missile as a replacement.

That came pretty quick, when did you order?

on the ninth,

one weird thing though, it seems like the skywarp figure is the best of the lot, the paint apps are the best, nothing is backwards, and even the plastic seems to be a bit better.

kjyl wrote:on the ninth,

one weird thing though, it seems like the skywarp figure is the best of the lot, the paint apps are the best, nothing is backwards, and even the plastic seems to be a bit better.

Wow, that's PDQ. Are you in the U.S.? Either way I am on the East Coast, so it is bound to take a couple extra days. I placed my order on Tuesday, I'd be estatic if it arrived tomorrow or Saturday.

I think anyone who missed out on BotCon or Henkei Thundercracker should get these.

It's probably the only affordable opportunity you'll have.

Counterpunch wrote:I think anyone who missed out on BotCon or Henkei Thundercracker should get these.

It's probably the only affordable opportunity you'll have.

QFT. Plus the money I am saving not getting the "real" ones is going towards FP Defender.

--B-- wrote:

kjyl wrote:on the ninth,

one weird thing though, it seems like the skywarp figure is the best of the lot, the paint apps are the best, nothing is backwards, and even the plastic seems to be a bit better.

Wow, that's PDQ. Are you in the U.S.? Either way I am on the East Coast, so it is bound to take a couple extra days. I placed my order on Tuesday, I'd be estatic if it arrived tomorrow or Saturday.

seattle, what part of pa do you live in

weird, double post

GetterDragun wrote:

Heckfire wrote:At least now there's a slim chance of actually getting a Thundercracker for my collection.

This does not get you a Thundercracker for your collection.

For those of us who don't mind knockoffs and don't want to pay stupidly-high prices for the originals it does.

GetterDragun wrote:

City Commander wrote:I'm sorry my post was so blunt, but doesn't it boil down to the same? You're angry because a figure you bought for a large sum is now more or less available to the wider audience for less right?

But then, and what I can't understand, you know this isn't botcon TC. Anyone buying botcon TC will know it's not (going on the thought that botcon collectors have actually seen the figure they want before going out to find it), it's obviously inferior in that it's plain blue and undoubtedly lower grade plastic. Why get annoyed by it, and take shots at others that like it?

You're not the only one who bought botcon Thundercracker man.

Besides, what I could've written would have been a tired argument that has been posted many times before, every time classics TC raises his head. And I'm tired of posting it.

I find it funny you are assuming I'm mad about the money I spent on BotCon Thundercracker. I paid less than $40 for both of mine. It is only you who are assuming that I am mad about the money. I never said anything about the cost, it's just funny that you are the one who keeps bringing up the cost.

I'm upset at knockoffs because they are stealing Hasbro's intellectual property. I also find all the justification for KOs funny too. I'm sorry, but it is stealing. If you can't afford it, you don't get to buy it. Same thing with movie and music torrents, you didn't pay for it, so you don't get to have it.

Explain to me how buying something that is on store shelves, legally for sale (such as the KO Devastators at Big Lots) is stealing. I've seen RobotMaster knockoffs there as well, and Protectobots, etc. I plop down my money, walk out the door, and I'm stealing.
Ok, sure.

Diem wrote:

Scaleface wrote:h) China releases low cost blue Seeker, and people who couldn't afford previous Thundercrackers or missed them are more or less happy.

i) Fans who already have Botcon/Henkei Thundercracker innocently point out that they prefer their official toys to the KOs.
j) Fans who don't already own Thundercracker start BAWWWing about the "elitism" of the previous group of fans.

I may as well edit this before I'm warned.

I love customs personally, started way back in G1 days with a custom headmaster of the PM OP cab, but I regret destroying my official TFs for custom figures to this day. If I can get a KO figure for the base of a project, then in my mind it is better. I still buy the originals when I can find them, except the movie figs, really hate those toys, but I dont want to cut them up or take them apart to repaint them. Sometimes you can find a TF toy at a flea market or second hand store for cheap, but its getting harder to do.

I understand the intellectual property arguement. But with the changed the KO manufacturer made, isn't it like telling someone that they should enjoy spoof songs because they knock off the artist that made the original music.

In short, I'll be getting the KO seekers for my customs and have fun doing it, ty.

Scaleface wrote:You'll never know until you try, but he sure looks identical to the original in size.



http://kotoys.com/kotoys.php?id=813&cat ... tra+Magnus

UltraPrimal wrote:I want one of those Ramjets. Add some black and gold paint. Boom! Shattered Glass Dirge!

Wait a minute. Why does the Magnus KO has red Decepticon symbols on him? Is he supposed to be Shattered Glass Nemesis Prime? Great! Now I'm gonna have to buy one of those too!

Yeah me to...hope it it works with CC trailer because i have an idea for a SG shadow commander now

kjyl wrote:

--B-- wrote:

kjyl wrote:on the ninth,

one weird thing though, it seems like the skywarp figure is the best of the lot, the paint apps are the best, nothing is backwards, and even the plastic seems to be a bit better.

Wow, that's PDQ. Are you in the U.S.? Either way I am on the East Coast, so it is bound to take a couple extra days. I placed my order on Tuesday, I'd be estatic if it arrived tomorrow or Saturday.

seattle, what part of pa do you live in

Eastern, outside Philly. My order came to JFK airport in NYC, should be here tomorrow!

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Diem wrote:

Scaleface wrote:h) China releases low cost blue Seeker, and people who couldn't afford previous Thundercrackers or missed them are more or less happy.

i) Fans who already have Botcon/Henkei Thundercracker innocently point out that they prefer their official toys to the KOs.
j) Fans who don't already own Thundercracker start BAWWWing about the "elitism" of the previous group of fans.

I may as well edit this before I'm warned.

You've been here since 2003.

There's no need for 3 consecutive posts since you clearly know what the edit button does.

I think people have come to accept that there are blue seeker KOs, they clearly are infernor to the REAL Thundercrackers, but some people are fine with using them for the base of a custom. To those with actual Thundercrackers, enjoy them. To those without, enjoy your cheaper alternative.

Now I just want a nice Classic Sunstorm! (real or KO!)

Counterpunch wrote:

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Diem wrote:

Scaleface wrote:h) China releases low cost blue Seeker, and people who couldn't afford previous Thundercrackers or missed them are more or less happy.

i) Fans who already have Botcon/Henkei Thundercracker innocently point out that they prefer their official toys to the KOs.
j) Fans who don't already own Thundercracker start BAWWWing about the "elitism" of the previous group of fans.

I may as well edit this before I'm warned.

You've been here since 2003.

There's no need for 3 consecutive posts since you clearly know what the edit button does.

I don't know how to reply to more than one post with a single post.

KO Thundercracker + KO Skywarp + screwdriver = Thundercraker (almost)

This is just parts swaping, no paint whatsoever!

--B-- wrote:KO Thundercracker + KO Skywarp + screwdriver = Thundercraker (almost)

This is just parts swaping, no paint whatsoever!

Now THAT is a brilliant thought. A few paint apps to finish it off, and you've got yerself a pretty sweet Thundercracker that you can handle and play with without fear of smudging or damage!

--B-- wrote:KO Thundercracker + KO Skywarp + screwdriver = Thundercraker (almost)

This is just parts swaping, no paint whatsoever!

Nice.

The plastic on these is pretty brittle, I snapped off both of Skywarps wings trying to take him apart. Some of the screws holding them together were already stripped.

All in all a pretty decent display TC for ~25 bucks. Plus I plan on re-assembling the unused seeker to turn into something.