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Google Translate wrote:Machine dinosaurs fit!

I dunno if I'd go that far, but I'm kind of looking forward to the PCC Dinobots.

Now that I see these, I can start saving my money. I've got to at least get Jazz, Tracks, and the Dinobots. Great! Please keep this up!!!

RiddlerJ wrote:

Chupacabra Convoy wrote:Preceptor really has been hitting the gym, guess he got tired of Brawn picking at him. Too bad though, I loved the IDW Version. Again, I wonder who is the Alternate head on this one.

I thought I heard that Reflector was goning to be the alternate head.

I'm not too impressed with Perceptor. I don't mind him being a truck of some sort, but I wish he still had something resembling his microscope barrel on top on the vehicle and on his shoulder, instead of that rinky dink missle launcher. It's a big part of his character and would work on Reflector too.

yeah, okay. I can see it. I'd rather that Hasbro/TakaraTomy kept Reflector on the small side, but I see it working. I do agree however, that his microscope needs to be better represented. Guess I'm throwing my vote a third party upgrade.

I still do wonder what the alternate heads will be for Jazz, Tracks, Windercharger, Scourge, and Thunderwing are.

Any suggestions?

Ok, this is my Opinion.

Scourge- I will go out of my way to get a Botcon Scourge or Titanium. That thing looks like what the cat dragged in, and I stepped on Many times. Cyclonus was a much better Update than that.

Jazz-AWESOME!!!! He still looks like a very heavy remold of the Classics 2.0 Prowl Mold. Especially his upper body. Definite Want!

Perceptor-Interesting. I am not saying No, but it is very weird. He is very bulky. He looks awkward as well, But he is a very weird design. I just don't dig it, but it may grow on me.....maybe.

Turbo Tracks-The features may be what I buy him for. He looks good in Robot, Ok in car (He loos just a little too long) But looks like he has a TON of kibble. I will have to see more, but I like.

Thunderwing-Don't know much about the character, but the Jet mode is Ok, the legs stick out the back, and the bot mode is good. He is another I will have to see more pics of.

Grapple-I like the color, may be the first Inferno mold I get.

Lugnut-I do not know why, I hated Animated with a passion, But Love Lugnut and Lockdown Movie Styled. I want him, even if he has stubby legs.

Windcgarger-Not a fan of scouts, Looks like a decent mold

New Legends-Meh, Only may pick up megs to be held by and MP, On sale. They look bad, I will stick with my WST for all of them.

PCCs- I hate the concept, These do not seem to be any better. When all 5 are transformable, and they are larger, talk to me. Other wise, Thgey will not be on my shelf

Stixx

Wasn't terribly impressed with these pics at first, but the quality is poor and expectations for such eagerly awaited figures are usually greater than the reality.

However, after looking at these several times the last few days, these are looking pretty good. And since this line is, for all intents and purposes, Classics 3.0, then these figures are as good as bought.

Scourge: The real wild card of this bunch. Titanium Scourge captures the G1-ness perfectly, so the Generations one inevitably would differ a bit. The legs look a bit cheap where they are attached to the ball joint. The alt mode will take some getting used to.

Jazz: Pretty much looks like what a Classics Jazz would be expected to look like. Not crazy about that gray area between the torso and front bumpber chest.

Perceptor: I debate the need to update Perceptor from a microscope to a vehicle, but it's what we have. I actually kind of like it though the arms seem too short.

Tracks: Pretty much what would be expected of a Classics Tracks. Why he appears to have a tail with a stinger on it will need to be discovered.

Thunderwing: Possibly the surprise hit of this line. The robot mode looks spot on, though a bit more bulk would have been nice. The plane mode seems to suffer from Universe Cyclonus syndrome of the alt mode becoming a bit lazy in the rear of the vehicle.

Grapple: Excellent retooling of the underrated Inferno. That a giant crane is looming so large off of one arm is about the only downside I can see.

Lugnuet: Don't really care.

Windcharger: The little guy finally gets some love, though I fear the head, like the Alternators version, will bear little resemblance to the cartoon.

Legends: Megatron transforming into a gun that can be held by MP figures was a stroke of genius. A Goldbug was a good idea. Prime and Starscream look pretty solid, too. Prowl was promised too, right?

Dinobot PCC: This line so far has seemed to favor affordability and versatility over any real inspiration, but the Dinobot PCC looks very tempting. The Constructions one is in-line with the rest of the line as full of "meh".

How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

No Death for Prowl wrote:Windcharger: The little guy finally gets some love, though I fear the head, like the Alternators version, will bear little resemblance to the cartoon.

Trivia time! Alternators Windcharger was actually meant to be the Omnibot Overdrive. Hasbro couldn't get the trademark however (but Takara could), so "Windcharger" was used instead. However, that caused problems for the retool who was meant to be Windcharger. So he turned into Decepticharge instead.

UnknownTrans4mingBot wrote:How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

Unlikely, since the PCC's take place in the movie-verse apparently and the limbs and drones get mixed when the Commanders are repainted.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

UnknownTrans4mingBot wrote:How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

Unlikely, since the PCC's take place in the movie-verse apparently and the limbs and drones get mixed when the Commanders are repainted.

I really don't think one Cyber Missions episode is enough to solidify that statement.. although I guess if it was true, we'd be seeing more PCCs in the future..

Blurrz wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

UnknownTrans4mingBot wrote:How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

Unlikely, since the PCC's take place in the movie-verse apparently and the limbs and drones get mixed when the Commanders are repainted.

I really don't think one Cyber Missions episode is enough to solidify that statement.. although I guess if it was true, we'd be seeing more PCCs in the future..

The basic backstory did mention Movie Devastator...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

UnknownTrans4mingBot wrote:How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

Unlikely, since the PCC's take place in the movie-verse apparently and the limbs and drones get mixed when the Commanders are repainted.

I really don't think one Cyber Missions episode is enough to solidify that statement.. although I guess if it was true, we'd be seeing more PCCs in the future..

The basic backstory did mention Movie Devastator...

Where is this backstory? I've been wanting to read it again for a while.

ShGarland_1383 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

UnknownTrans4mingBot wrote:How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

Unlikely, since the PCC's take place in the movie-verse apparently and the limbs and drones get mixed when the Commanders are repainted.

I really don't think one Cyber Missions episode is enough to solidify that statement.. although I guess if it was true, we'd be seeing more PCCs in the future..

The basic backstory did mention Movie Devastator...

Where is this backstory? I've been wanting to read it again for a while.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ive/18691/

Blurrz wrote:

ShGarland_1383 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

UnknownTrans4mingBot wrote:How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

Unlikely, since the PCC's take place in the movie-verse apparently and the limbs and drones get mixed when the Commanders are repainted.

I really don't think one Cyber Missions episode is enough to solidify that statement.. although I guess if it was true, we'd be seeing more PCCs in the future..

The basic backstory did mention Movie Devastator...

Where is this backstory? I've been wanting to read it again for a while.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ive/18691/

Thanks Blurrz!


edit: I see where it's mentioned here (at the start of the release), but isn't there also an origin for the PCC somewhere? I think that's what I was thinking about reading again.

Also...the reference to Devastator is a bit ambiguous, IMO. While Hasbro could have meant ROTF Devastator, they could have easily also meant his G1 counterpart, whose component figures also transform into construction vehicles.

Scourge looks like he was not transformed correctly,and Thunderwing should have been a leader class figure.

ShGarland_1383 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

ShGarland_1383 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Blurrz wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

UnknownTrans4mingBot wrote:How long until the constructicons get repainted into Devastator?

Unlikely, since the PCC's take place in the movie-verse apparently and the limbs and drones get mixed when the Commanders are repainted.

I really don't think one Cyber Missions episode is enough to solidify that statement.. although I guess if it was true, we'd be seeing more PCCs in the future..

The basic backstory did mention Movie Devastator...

Where is this backstory? I've been wanting to read it again for a while.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ive/18691/

Thanks Blurrz!


edit: I see where it's mentioned here (at the start of the release), but isn't there also an origin for the PCC somewhere? I think that's what I was thinking about reading again.

Also...the reference to Devastator is a bit ambiguous, IMO. While Hasbro could have meant ROTF Devastator, they could have easily also meant his G1 counterpart, whose component figures also transform into construction vehicles.

Do today's kids even know about G1 Devastator?

"Expanding upon the essence of DEVASTATOR — a robot built by combining multiple construction vehicles..." really doesn't seem to imply any specific Devastator in particular. Regardless, PCC makes a point that their characters are team mates rather than remakes.
I still wouldn't put it past them to repaint the Constructicons in green and purple, either as a set with a repainted Sledge or divided amongst a few other Commanders.

Hard to tell from the pictures will wait and see them in person.

Stixx wrote:Ok, this is my Opinion.

Scourge- I will go out of my way to get a Botcon Scourge or Titanium. That thing looks like what the cat dragged in, and I stepped on Many times. Cyclonus was a much better Update than that.

So you'd rather have either an overpriced Sideways retool, or a Titanium figure that constantly falls apart? Ok.

He's allot bulkier than Cyclonus in the original show, I don't think it's worth comparing them.
The only downside I see could be his somewhat week looking legs, and even then, this is so badly mis-transformed it's hard to tell if they'll look that bad in person.

Stixx wrote:Thunderwing-Don't know much about the character, but the Jet mode is Ok, the legs stick out the back, and the bot mode is good. He is another I will have to see more pics of.

I'll say it a hundred times. He deserves to be bigger!

The Dinobots look cool, and I was really hopeful about Lugnut but I really need better pics. He doesn't look like he'll stand up that well.

Vicalliose wrote:

Stixx wrote:Ok, this is my Opinion.

Scourge- I will go out of my way to get a Botcon Scourge or Titanium. That thing looks like what the cat dragged in, and I stepped on Many times. Cyclonus was a much better Update than that.

So you'd rather have either an overpriced Sideways retool, or a Titanium figure that constantly falls apart? Ok.

He's allot bulkier than Cyclonus in the original show, I don't think it's worth comparing them.
The only downside I see could be his somewhat week looking legs, and even then, this is so badly mis-transformed it's hard to tell if they'll look that bad in person.

Yes, It looks so much better. Or take it and heavily Bash it. It looks like they took the titanium figure, threw new wings on it. And put it in a blender. I usually don;t speak my mind that much, but I was having a bad day that day. But yes, that looks Horrible. Don't get me started on the PCCs.

Stixx

Im not sure on the rest. scourge needs work, I usualy pass on Legends Class Figures, And I need a few better images of Grapple.Tracks - Also a little kibbly in bot mode, but otherwise awesome. Will buy for sure. It's been a long time coming.

Stixx wrote:Yes, It looks so much better. Or take it and heavily Bash it.

Wat? No really, i'm not sure what you meant here. Are you still referring to the literal bashing of Gen' Scourge? Maybe I'm just reading this wrong.

Stixx wrote:It looks like they took the titanium figure, threw new wings on it. And put it in a blender. I usually don;t speak my mind that much, but I was having a bad day that day. But yes, that looks Horrible. Don't get me started on the PCCs.

Stixx

To me, Generations Scourge is pretty much perfect from the waist up. I
had considered getting the Titanium version up till now, but to me the Titanium version is just a big, cartoony, puffy mess with a gigantic scope on his head. That and the added downsides that he is both brittle and expensive, are what have kept me from buying Titanium up until this point.

Though, I suppose picking on peoples own individual opinions isn't the right thing to do in this case (especially when you consider the whole "how I like my neo G1" thing) I'm just kinda upset that 2010 Scourge isn't getting the love he deserves in my opinion, since vary few people seem to like him here.
Then again, if he does end up being a shelf warmer, at least it will make it easier for me to get a full set of sweeps.

And to be clear, I hate the PCCs. I'm not sure what would have given you the impression that I think otherwise.

Vicalliose wrote:

Stixx wrote:Yes, It looks so much better. Or take it and heavily Bash it.

Wat? No really, i'm not sure what you meant here. Are you still referring to the literal bashing of Gen' Scourge? Maybe I'm just reading this wrong.

No, I mean Kitbashing it with a new head, Probably a reworked body and wings. I'd prefer a transformation similar with the figure being just a inside a shell, being extremely articulate with wings hanging off of him like the original toy. I could probably use the base figure is what I meant by bash it, as in kitbash it.

Stixx

I leave you with what it could be like with some bashing and paint.

Stixx wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:

Stixx wrote:Yes, It looks so much better. Or take it and heavily Bash it.

Wat? No really, i'm not sure what you meant here. Are you still referring to the literal bashing of Gen' Scourge? Maybe I'm just reading this wrong.

No, I mean Kitbashing it with a new head, Probably a reworked body and wings. I'd prefer a transformation similar with the figure being just a inside a shell, being extremely articulate with wings hanging off of him like the original toy. I could probably use the base figure is what I meant by bash it, as in kitbash it.

Stixx

I leave you with what it could be like with some bashing and paint.

Well, if you just plan to kitbash it anyway, pretty much any argument is null.
I lack the skill/I'm to damn lazy to kitbash anything myself, so I'll be satisfied with what's available. >_>

Vicalliose wrote:

Stixx wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:

Stixx wrote:Yes, It looks so much better. Or take it and heavily Bash it.

Wat? No really, i'm not sure what you meant here. Are you still referring to the literal bashing of Gen' Scourge? Maybe I'm just reading this wrong.

No, I mean Kitbashing it with a new head, Probably a reworked body and wings. I'd prefer a transformation similar with the figure being just a inside a shell, being extremely articulate with wings hanging off of him like the original toy. I could probably use the base figure is what I meant by bash it, as in kitbash it.

Stixx

I leave you with what it could be like with some bashing and paint.

Well, if you just plan to kitbash it anyway, pretty much any argument is null.
I lack the skill/I'm to damn lazy to kitbash anything myself, so I'll be satisfied with what's available. >_>

Not really. I enjoy Figures, and really only kitbash if there is a need. If I needed to have a really good Scourge, that was totally G1 accurate, then I would Kitbash. Unfortunately, this doessn't fit the bil, as there are more viable mass produced options. Personally I like the Botcon Scourge Better than this as a different Updated option.

Stixx

im very interested to see these figures up close and personal. scourge actually looks good to me. the flying wing homages his old hovercraft mode well enough while being a more believable spacecraft. and its still far better than what galvatron got.

tracks, perceptor, windcharger, grapple, and goldbug are pretty much buy on sight for me, though id like to see better pics in the coming months. the PCCs are of no interest to me, plain and simple